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[EmperorSahlertz]

Nizaris1 wrote...

lol, no matter what Dragonborn really is, TES is about DRAGONBORN, understand?

There are Dragonborn who become Emperor, there are Dragonborn who is not Emperor, no matter what TES is about Dragonborn.

So when people ask me what TES is all about, i simply it is about Dragonborn

What DA is all about?

Dragonborn can mean two entirely different things in TES so your premise is flawed. And it is not about Dragonborn specifically, it is much more about Tamriel as a whole.

[Palidane]

Nizaris1 wrote...

It is like saying the word "Christian", there are Protestant, Catholic, Coptic, Evengelic...and many more, all are Christian.

You guys argue about what is Dragonborn while it is not the issue, Dragonborn is Dragonborn, and TES story is about Dragonborn, no matter the Dragonborn is the Emperor or a street punk. A Dragonborn is someone special, not like any other people. No matter a Dragonborn is born as Emperor or born as a street punk, Dragonborn is Dragonborn, and that what TES is about.

Now again, DA is about what?

Thedas.

[Heimdall]

Nizaris1 wrote...

lol, no matter what Dragonborn really is, TES is about DRAGONBORN, understand?

There are Dragonborn who become Emperor, there are Dragonborn who is not Emperor, no matter what TES is about Dragonborn.

So when people ask me what TES is all about, i simply it is about Dragonborn

What DA is all about?

You have a serious comprehension deficiency.  Dragonborn being present in a tangential manner does not mean the story is about them.  Not to mention the Dragonborn Emperors and the Dragonborn of Skyrim are two different beings entirely.

[Icesong]

Nizaris1 wrote...

It is like saying the word "Christian", there are Protestant, Catholic, Coptic, Evengelic...and many more, all are Christian.

You guys argue about what is Dragonborn while it is not the issue, Dragonborn is Dragonborn, and TES story is about Dragonborn, no matter the Dragonborn is the Emperor or a street punk. A Dragonborn is someone special, not like any other people. No matter a Dragonborn is born as Emperor or born as a street punk, Dragonborn is Dragonborn, and that what TES is about.

Now again, DA is about what?

But a Dragonborn is not a Dragonborn, don't you see? You've connected things that shouldn't be connected. Oblivion was about one thing, and Skyrim was about something else entirely. The rest of the games didn't incorporate either of these storylines and I can pretty much guarantee you TESVI won't either.

So I say again:

[...] you're just describing a single story within those worlds. If you want to know what Dragon Age is about while making such a comparison, then go look up a synopsis of each individual game.

Modifié par Icesong, 02 décembre 2012 - 06:36 .

[Heimdall]

Nizaris1 wrote...

It is like saying the word "Christian", there are Protestant, Catholic, Coptic, Evengelic...and many more, all are Christian.

You guys argue about what is Dragonborn while it is not the issue, Dragonborn is Dragonborn, and TES story is about Dragonborn, no matter the Dragonborn is the Emperor or a street punk. A Dragonborn is someone special, not like any other people. No matter a Dragonborn is born as Emperor or born as a street punk, Dragonborn is Dragonborn, and that what TES is about.

Now again, DA is about what?

Thedas

Explain, for each game, how the ENTIRE main plot revolves around the Dragonborn.  They don't.

[esper]

Nizaris1 wrote...

lol, no matter what Dragonborn really is, TES is about DRAGONBORN, understand?

There are Dragonborn who become Emperor, there are Dragonborn who is not Emperor, no matter what TES is about Dragonborn.

So when people ask me what TES is all about, i simply it is about Dragonborn

What DA is all about?

The world of Thedas.

If you want to be more specific, The world of Thedas in the Age of Dragon.

[Neon Rising Winter]

Relevant, sure, but not the be all and end all of the series. If it was a set trilogy maybe, but as an open ended series of games I don't want to see darkspawn, darkspawn and a side order of darkspawn when there's lots of other interesting aspects of the world to explore. And it is named Dragon Age after all, not the Fifth Blight.

[esper]

Nizaris1 wrote...

Then DA is not interesting at all...have no real story, just bunch of things here and there without any scope or focus, no real sense.

Even history have sense, DA have no sense if it just about "Thedas"

It is like making a game about "Malaysia" or "British" or Japan" whatsoever...

Good that there is no such things as historian and historical based books and movies. Bet there are games too, they just don't really fall into my genre.

[esper]

Nizaris1 wrote...

Where is Old God baby?
What happen to Morrigan?
What happen to Warden-Paragon?
What happen to Warden-Ferelden Queen?
What happen to Warden-King?
What happen to Ferelden under Grey Warden King and Queen?

Surely these give an impact to THEDAS...

Grey Warden as King and Queen, wow...imagine that...what happen to them?

DA is not like TES an open world where story is not so important. DA is DEPENDED ON NARRATIVE, depended heavily on the story, and the story is depended on PLAYER CHOICES

So NO, DA is NOT about Thedas...but about a STORY....

What is the core story anyway? Grey Warden and the Blight? Darkspawn? Tevinter Mage? Orlais? Inquisition? What?

If there is none, then DA is NOTHING

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Gaider has said that Dragon Age is about Thedas. It doesn't get more word of god than that. You can scream and yell all you want. He has said that from the start and has repeated it in his tread. End of discussion since it is his story to tell.

Da is a story about Thedas. It doesn't have a core. I doesn't need a core because each game is stand alone and self contained.

By this point you are simply being stubborn.

[ScotGaymer]

esper wrote...
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Gaider has said that Dragon Age is about Thedas. It doesn't get more word of god than that. You can scream and yell all you want. He has said that from the start and has repeated it in his tread. End of discussion since it is his story to tell.

Da is a story about Thedas. It doesn't have a core. I doesn't need a core because each game is stand alone and self contained.

By this point you are simply being stubborn.

Thank You!

Jesus, I was starting to think I was the only one whose brain was starting to leak out through his ears. lol.

[Heimdall]

FitScotGaymer wrote...

esper wrote...
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Gaider has said that Dragon Age is about Thedas. It doesn't get more word of god than that. You can scream and yell all you want. He has said that from the start and has repeated it in his tread. End of discussion since it is his story to tell.

Da is a story about Thedas. It doesn't have a core. I doesn't need a core because each game is stand alone and self contained.

By this point you are simply being stubborn.

Thank You!

Jesus, I was starting to think I was the only one whose brain was starting to leak out through his ears. lol.

Believe me, you're not 

[henkez3]

Nizaris the Dragon Age games are about the world of Thedas and what happens in it during the Dragon Age.

Simple as that.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Not only havn't the Dragonborn been the focus of any other game than SKyrim, the Dragonborn of Skyrim is not even the same kind of dragonborn as the Emperors of tthe Septim line are.... So Nizaris is entirely wrong about this...

Didn't the lore say that Tiber Septim had the same type of power as the TES V Dragonborn, though? And yes, they were (or at least one of them was) the focus of IV and I, too. And they played a minor part in II, and a minor but essential part in III. Not to mention that apparently the hero of III counts as Dragonborn. (Don't ask me how.)

And how does the dragonborn being of different types mean that the series isn't about the Dragonborn as a whole?

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 02 décembre 2012 - 03:26 .

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Nizaris1 wrote...

Then DA is not interesting at all...have no real story, just bunch of things here and there without any scope or focus, no real sense.

Even history have sense, DA have no sense if it just about "Thedas"

It is like making a game about "Malaysia" or "British" or Japan" whatsoever...

They've made games about the entire world, you know. But if you want to get more specific, say that it's about the weird stuff that happens in a certain century of this world's history. So far, that seems to be accurate.

[Icesong]

Nizaris1 wrote...

Where is Old God baby?[/qote]

Dunno.
What happen to Morrigan?
What happen to Warden-Paragon?
What happen to Warden-Ferelden Queen?
What happen to Warden-King?
What happen to Ferelden under Grey Warden King and Queen?

Surely these give an impact to THEDAS...

Grey Warden as King and Queen, wow...imagine that...what happen to them?

DA is not like TES an open world where story is not so important. DA is DEPENDED ON NARRATIVE, depended heavily on the story, and the story is depended on PLAYER CHOICES

So NO, DA is NOT about Thedas...but about a STORY....

What is the core story anyway? Grey Warden and the Blight? Darkspawn? Tevinter Mage? Orlais? Inquisition? What?

If there is none, then DA is NOTHING

Nizaris1 wrote...

if that so...i won't buy DA:I....

why bother wasting time waiting for something isn't there....?

I
play DA:O several times, hundreds of hours, many main characters, many
outcomes, proud as a Grey Warden who unite the land, hero of all,
defeated the Blight....and suddenly it is all for....NOTHING

I play DA2 only few times, and i don't bother play again...

DA:O
is like blockbuster movie, DA2 is just like a TV drama...if DA have no
core story, then i don't bother about it, there are a lot of other games
out there with better story...

At least in open world game, i
can not bothering about the story at all, just lost in the world....but
DA? what world to explore? I play DA because i am hoping for a good damn
story...turn out to be it is not the case for DA...

So, bye-bye DA...you lost one customer...

Being about the world has nothing to do with being open. It really just boils down to being able to continue past a single storyline or character. Star Wars grew beyond Sidious's machinations, WC grew beyond the Horde versus Alliance conflicts of WC1/2, LotR grew beyond Bilbo. DA has more to offer than Blights.

It doesn't mean that certain plots won't get revisited. We'll find out about Morrigan eventually, I'm sure. I'm certain also that we'll hear more about the Warden as well, since BioWare has minimal respect for the sanctity of the player character.

And anyway, like I said when we started this discussion, it seems to me like there is an emerging grand plot. You don't need to come to any conclusions right now, especially given how little facts you have about DA3 and beyond.

Modifié par Icesong, 02 décembre 2012 - 06:01 .

[EmperorSahlertz]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Not only havn't the Dragonborn been the focus of any other game than SKyrim, the Dragonborn of Skyrim is not even the same kind of dragonborn as the Emperors of tthe Septim line are.... So Nizaris is entirely wrong about this...

Didn't the lore say that Tiber Septim had the same type of power as the TES V Dragonborn, though? And yes, they were (or at least one of them was) the focus of IV and I, too. And they played a minor part in II, and a minor but essential part in III. Not to mention that apparently the hero of III counts as Dragonborn. (Don't ask me how.)

And how does the dragonborn being of different types mean that the series isn't about the Dragonborn as a whole?

Because there is no "Dragonborn as a whole", the two meanings of it are entirely different. One is an actual dragon born in human form, the other is merely an honorary title. The only thing they share in common is the name.

[In Exile]

I will point out that, for the sake of hilarity, Thedas was originally TheDAS, a short form for "the dragon age setting"... so it's hilarious to read things like:

Dragon Age is about the Dragon Age setting.

[Icesong]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Not only havn't the Dragonborn been the focus of any other game than SKyrim, the Dragonborn of Skyrim is not even the same kind of dragonborn as the Emperors of tthe Septim line are.... So Nizaris is entirely wrong about this...

Didn't the lore say that Tiber Septim had the same type of power as the TES V Dragonborn, though? And yes, they were (or at least one of them was) the focus of IV and I, too. And they played a minor part in II, and a minor but essential part in III.

First of all, the bulk of TES lore comes from books written from an in-universe perspective. That means you have to filter for propaganda, cultural prejudices,  and other biases. Tiber Septim was a Dovahkiin, as was Reman Cyrodiil and maybe Alessia. The question is whether their purported descendants and heirs can claim the same.

And how does the dragonborn being of different types mean that the series isn't about the Dragonborn as a whole?

Because it's completely misleadingly without even a hint of truth. It would be as if Canada somehow started getting called America and the history of the United States started getting conflated with Canada's. And plus TES1-3 weren't about that at all.

For anyone who doesn't know, read some of this to get a sense of how far beyond TES is to this stuff called Dragonborn.

Modifié par Icesong, 02 décembre 2012 - 05:52 .

[David Gaider]

Nizaris1 wrote...
So, bye-bye DA...you lost one customer...

There's a lot of presumptions in your posts regarding what can and cannot be. Mostly what you're talking about is a backstory, which DA does have. If you truly believe that the series should be about one thing and one thing only, and we are not focusing on that enough (despite not truly knowing what DA3 will be about)... then fair enough! Hopefully you'll see something in DA3 to interest you when we reveal more of it, but if not then it's great you enjoyed the one game.