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[Heimdall]

Nizaris, I'm just going to ask you to define what you mean by core story. You're very unclear. It can't be that DA is only about Darkspawn. Most of the issues the warden had to solve to get support had nothing to do with the Blight. So what do you think "core story" is?

Modifié par Lord Aesir, 03 décembre 2012 - 06:33 .

[Rpgfantasyplayer]

Nizaris1 wrote...

So with all the Warden do, the order changed, if the King and Queen of Ferelden are Grey warden, the order will shut up, what they want to say? The order already are not welcomed in Ferelden before, now the King and queen are wardens, not only that the order got land and wealth...

Neutral?

It is HIGHLY political

You have confused me a little here.  This is only if you choose to play with this outcome.  Otherwise Anora can be on the throne, Loghain dead, Alistar still in the wardens with or without you.  So in that case there is no political affiliation on the warden's part at the end of DAO.

Modifié par Rpgfantasyplayer, 03 décembre 2012 - 06:38 .

[Herr Uhl]

Rpgfantasyplayer wrote...

Nizaris1 wrote...

So with all the Warden do, the order changed, if the King and Queen of Ferelden are Grey warden, the order will shut up, what they want to say? The order already are not welcomed in Ferelden before, now the King and queen are wardens, not only that the order got land and wealth...

Neutral?

It is HIGHLY political

You have confused me a little here.  This is only if you choose to play with this outcome.  Otherwise Anora can be on the throne, Loghain dead, Alistar still in the wardens with or without you.  So in that case there is no political affiliation on the warden's part.

This is the path that the wardens would have preferred, if we are to use Duncan as an example.

David Gaider wrote...

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...
What would Duncan have thought of Eamon's idea to put Alistair forward as King?

He would have probably argued that a Grey Warden has no business being a king -- or a king a Grey Warden. Possibly by then he might have advised that the Grey Wardens leave for Orlais and meet up with the Grey Wardens there -- abandoning Ferelden, as much as it would have pained him to do so.

Or so occurs to me off the top of my head, anyway.

Anyways, there is little to do for the wardens other than deal with the situation. If the warden became embroiled deeper in politics without having darkspawn directly involved, this could jeapordize the order in other countries.

[LinksOcarina]

Nizaris1 wrote...

Nizaris, I'm just going to ask you to define what you mean by core story. You're very unclear. It can't be that DA is only about Darkspawn. Most of the issues the warden had to solve to get support had nothing to do with the Blight. So what do you think "core story" is?

The core story is what is in the DA:O intro, what Alistair, Wayne and Leliana tell us about Darkspawn, that is the CORE story

it is the truth or not, that what the main character to discover, everything else just spices not the main ingredient

That is the core story in Origins.

That is not the core story of Dragon Age II, and I doubt it will be a major part of the story in Inquisitor because there is no way a blight will happen again so quickly. That is jumping the shark then. 

[upsettingshorts]

Nizaris1 wrote...


That is the problem should be put on the writers, they who created it all, they who should solve it

So what you're saying is:

Your opinion of what the CORE STORY of Dragon Age is, is the correct one - that the Grey Warden as an order have changed and are now the driving force behind everything in Thedas - and even though the lead writer himself denies this, you're asserting that the story should be changed to reflect your claim otherwise it is a problem.  Furthermore, you believe that anyone who played DA:O in a manner significantly different from yourself should be given a generic protagonist for the sequel because, basically, they got the story wrong.

Nizaris1 wrote...

They and you claim DA is about the world, why nothing happen?

Save the Urn, the most important thing for the Chantry, nothing changed.

King and Queen are Wardens, nothing changed

The world should changed, but nothing changed

The Warden dd all those things.

Then in another time at another place, another person did some other things, and that was Dragon Age 2.

What is consistent between these two games?

Some people did some things that changed Thedas.  

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 03 décembre 2012 - 06:43 .

[Rpgfantasyplayer]

Nizaris1 wrote...

You have confused me a little here. This is only if you choose to play with this outcome. Otherwise Anora can be on the throne, Loghain dead, Alistar still in the wardens with or without you. So in that case there is no political affiliation on the warden's part.

That is the problem should be put on the writers, they who created it all, they who should solve it

But that is the whole point of playing an RPG.  This allows the player some control over events.  It is what you chose to do in your playthrough, not everyone did.  In some cases I have playthroughs like this, but in others I don't.  So in that case it is like you are kind of saying to those who chose something different that their choices should not matter.

[Rpgfantasyplayer]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Nizaris1 wrote...


That is the problem should be put on the writers, they who created it all, they who should solve it

So what you're saying is:

Your opinion of what the CORE STORY of Dragon Age is, is the correct one - that the Grey Warden as an order have changed and are now the driving force behind everything in Thedas - and even though the lead writer himself denies this, you're asserting that the story should be changed to reflect your claim otherwise it is a problem.  Furthermore, you believe that anyone who played DA:O in a manner significantly different from yourself should be given a generic protagonist for the sequel because, basically, they got the story wrong.

Nizaris1 wrote...

They and you claim DA is about the world, why nothing happen?

Save the Urn, the most important thing for the Chantry, nothing changed.

King and Queen are Wardens, nothing changed

The world should changed, but nothing changed

The Warden dd all those things.

Then in another time at another place, another person did some other things, and that was Dragon Age 2.

What is consistent between these two games?

Some people did some things that changed Thedas.  

as you can see upsettingshorts, we agree you just beat me to it.

[Herr Uhl]

Nizaris1 wrote...

Save the Urn, the most important thing for the Chantry, nothing changed.

Honestly, the Urn doesn't change much other than routes for pilgrims.

Modifié par Herr Uhl, 03 décembre 2012 - 06:45 .

[Heimdall]

Nizaris1 wrote...

Nizaris, I'm just going to ask you to define what you mean by core story. You're very unclear. It can't be that DA is only about Darkspawn. Most of the issues the warden had to solve to get support had nothing to do with the Blight. So what do you think "core story" is?

The core story is what is in the DA:O intro, what Alistair, Wayne and Leliana tell us about Darkspawn, that is the CORE story

it is the truth or not, that what the main character to discover, everything else just spices not the main ingredient

I'm not asking you what you think the core story of dragon age is, I'm asking you what you think the words core story mean.

[upsettingshorts]

Nizaris1 wrote...

The problem is because the DA2 is totally different story, they want a different story and end DA:O at all...that is why.

So you're saying it was deliberate.

Nizaris1 wrote...

if it is about the world, then it is a false and cover up claim by developer and some fans

So you're saying it was an accident.

Pick one.

...though I cannot fathom what is "false" and especially don't understand what could possibly be part of a "cover up."  Exactly whom are they allegedly misleading?  Just you?

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 03 décembre 2012 - 06:49 .

[LinksOcarina]

Nizaris1 wrote...

The problem is because the DA2 is totally different story, they want a different story and end DA:O at all...that is why.

I expect urn of Sacred Ashes give an impact to the Chantry and Mages, but NOTHING

Imagine, let say if someone discover the body of Jesus Christ or his remain, it doesn't give impact on the world? christian believe jesus die on the Cross, then resurrected and going to heaven, Muslims believe Jesus do not die and going to heaven directly, then someone discover the remain of Jesus Christ and is proven, then nothing change...? Then some one sell fake finger bone of Jesus Christ on the street?

if it is about the world, then it is a false and cover up claim by developer and some fans

Well, considering the middle ages had a history of Jesus' ashes, left toe, and his shroud popping up in ten different churches at a time as a holy relic, the question is less about it being a world-changing event, and more about it being a personal-changing one for your local chantry.

Basically, the world doesn't give a damn because they have no way of proving it correct. In the case of Dragon Age Origins, its actually somewhat historically accurate in terms of how a medieval period religion would function. It only is a place of veneration and study, not whole worship to the point of changing the impact of the religion.

So it's impact was actually correct in how it was implemented. 

[Heimdall]

Nizaris1 wrote...

The problem is because the DA2 is totally different story, they want a different story and end DA:O at all...that is why.

I expect urn of Sacred Ashes give an impact to the Chantry and Mages, but NOTHING

Imagine, let say if someone discover the body of Jesus Christ or his remain, it doesn't give impact on the world? christian believe jesus die on the Cross, then resurrected and going to heaven, Muslims believe Jesus do not die and going to heaven directly, then someone discover the remain of Jesus Christ and is proven, then nothing change...? Then some one sell fake finger bone of Jesus Christ on the street?

if it is about the world, then it is a false and cover up claim by developer and some fans

Considering that the existence of Andraste and that she was burned is generally accepted throughout Thedas, your analogy is not apt.  The power of the Ashes might start debates amongst academics, but really the only worldwide impact would be an increase in pilgrims.

[Rpgfantasyplayer]

Nizaris1 wrote...

The problem is because the DA2 is totally different story, they want a different story and end DA:O at all...that is why.

I expect urn of Sacred Ashes give an impact to the Chantry and Mages, but NOTHING

Imagine, let say if someone discover the body of Jesus Christ or his remain, it doesn't give impact on the world? christian believe jesus die on the Cross, then resurrected and going to heaven, Muslims believe Jesus do not die and going to heaven directly, then someone discover the remain of Jesus Christ and is proven, then nothing change...? Then some one sell fake finger bone of Jesus Christ on the street?

if it is about the world, then it is a false and cover up claim by developer and some fans

In a game you have different choices you can make and different outcomes that result from those choices.  Just because I made a choice different from you doesn't mean that your choice is better than mine and should be made fact.

Also the urn does impact the chantry in some playthroughs, hence Leliana going there in some playthroughs at the end of DAO and if you didn't kill the dragon or didn't take Brother Genitivi with you the ashes disappeared.

Modifié par Rpgfantasyplayer, 03 décembre 2012 - 06:52 .

[upsettingshorts]

Nizaris1 wrote...

I am saying that there is a conspiracy...

Who are the players in this conspiracy?

What is their goal?

How are they executing it?

Who are the victims?

[upsettingshorts]

Nizaris1 wrote...

So i can say the only worth playing is DA:O...and it's end there....DA is dead for me...i am not interested in DA anymore...

Well, bye.

[Herr Uhl]

Nizaris1 wrote...

Imagine, let say if someone discover the body of Jesus Christ or his remain, it doesn't give impact on the world? christian believe jesus die on the Cross, then resurrected and going to heaven, Muslims believe Jesus do not die and going to heaven directly, then someone discover the remain of Jesus Christ and is proven, then nothing change...? Then some one sell fake finger bone of Jesus Christ on the street?

Nobody in Thedas is debating the existence of Andraste, or that she died.

[Heimdall]

Nizaris1 wrote...

So i can say the only worth playing is DA:O...and it's end there....DA is dead for me...i am not interested in DA anymore...

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