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[DarkSpiral]

 We get it.  You want your character to be set apart from the common people by more than just their own capabilities.  You want them to be the special snowflake.  The premise of DA, the "rise to power" is not okay with you.  You don't want to watch your character make something of themself, you want them to have some kind of title or status that makes other people see them as unique at the very begining of the game.

What I don't get is why you continue to say that Hawke was nobody special.  Its made awfully clear (almost obnoxiously so, during Acts 3) that your exploits are something the vast majority of people can't match.  Not just anyone could have beaten the Arishock in personal combat.  Meredith is honestly the only other person in DA I think had that kind of strength.

[DarkSpiral]

The Champion: A title that commands fear and respect throughout the Free Marches. A title that can only ever apply to one person at a time. A title that goes decades without being awarded to anyone at all. And "nothing great?" Balderdash, I say. Even the Wardens were stunned at how far into the Deep Roads Hawke's expedition went (and came back out alive).

Come ON now Nizaris. The concept of someone that amasses fame, wealth and power by venturing into dungeons is the cornerstone of damn near every RPG game I've ever played. Including many of the videogame RPGs.

I just can't understand why a PC that EARNS their fame personally is so much less appealing to you than one who isn't famous at all, actually. Just the group they're part of.

And setting that all aside, who says Grey Wardens are in any way important now that the Fifth Blight is a thing of the past? And such a tiny, little, quick Blight too! Entire countries united to deal with the Fourth Blight. Vast swaths of land were corrutped, and only the Grey Wardens coudl deal with it....and therefore the order was given a position of power and respect. The Fifth Blight was done in just over a year, only three Wardens (maybe four) were involved in it stopping it, and only Ferelden was affected. I'd imagine the position of the Wardens in the rest of Thedas was barely changed at all, since the fate of the people of other nations was never at risk.

Modifié par DarkSpiral, 05 décembre 2012 - 07:52 .

[AlexanderCousland]

@Darkspiral

I think youre laying it on a little thick for Hawke.

The fortune you "amass" and that "rise to power", you never got to use it. What power did you Rise to? Becoming an errand boy for the viscount, meridith, and orsino? 50 sovereigns is NOT a "fortune". Sten is the Arishok now, My warden checked his arse in single combat on the way to the Urn. So why is Hawke beating the old Arishok suddenly supposed to be a big deal?

The Hero of Fereldan is Famous, he saved an entire country.

Hawke saved a "tiny little city"

Baron Arlange certainly didnt fear Hawke...in fact he insulted his city "I heard you Champion of some backwater city in the Free Marches"

Some respect that guy commands "the repeatedly refered to him as "Fereldan Turnip"

Hell, if they respected Hawke so much why didnt the people call for the champion to rule after he beat the Arishok? Nope...they let Meridith's crazy arse rule. That shows you just how much "respect" the Champion commanded.

[DarkSpiral]

Oh no, you're right. I am indeed laying it on thick, and very much on purpose. Mostly because that's what I feel Nizaris is doing. She's blowing the Grey Wardens out of proportion to their actual importance in the world of Thedas when it isn't experiencing a Blight.

I should have, perhaps, stated that I was doing so deliberately.

As for Arlange, yeah, but he was an idiot.  Tallis said so, Prosper said so, and the manner in which he acted like a child in a man's body said so.  

And also, that DLC was made so that yoy can play it before becoming Champion, so cerrtain allowances have to be made.

Modifié par DarkSpiral, 05 décembre 2012 - 08:41 .

[The Elder King]

Nizaris1 wrote...

Let see...

Q : Who are you?
Elissa : I am a Grey Warden

Q : Who are you?
Hawke : I am a Champion!

Q : Who is she?
A : She's the Hero of Ferelden

Q : Who is she?
A : She's the Champion!

See..?

Elissa is a Grey Warden, a member of respected organization, she got the title "Hero of Ferelden" after going through all the miserable thing in her way, ending the Blight

Hawke is a nobody who get rich, doing nothing great in her way, and get the title "Champion" after dueling with Arishok

Even though I'd say that stopping the Blight is more important for Thedosians than saving a city, you're completely biased. The Champion title is an important one. Of course, the respect that the title carries is limited to the Free Marches, but I don't see any problems with this. Unless you need for you ego to be respected and called a hero by anyone in the game. Which isn't something I necessary need.
Anyway, we might be the head or one of the leading members of the Inquisition, and in this case we'll have a lot of power and authority (which, by the way, the Wardens have only during the Blight, unless in DAA's case when we became the Arle of Amaranthine. Wardens in general don't have much authority, expecially over nobles). Will this satisfy you, or you need the authority the Wardens have during the Blight to satisfy you?
Oh, and you didn't respond to my post in page 18 about how is near-impossible to have two Blights in a century.

Modifié par hhh89, 05 décembre 2012 - 09:37 .

[EmperorSahlertz]

The "Hero of Ferelden" title is equally limited as the "Champion" title. Nizaris is horribly biased....

Modifié par EmperorSahlertz, 05 décembre 2012 - 10:38 .

[ScotGaymer]

Nizaris is horribly trolling you lot at this point I think.

EDIT:
I say this because honestly, I do not believe that someone can be this stubborn, this stupid, and this arrogant.

Modifié par FitScotGaymer, 05 décembre 2012 - 11:55 .

[Kidd]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

The "Hero of Ferelden" title is equally limited as the "Champion" title. Nizaris is horribly biased....

To be fair, Ferelden is a slightly bigger title than just Kirkwall. This is just semantics though, I agree with what I'm sure was the intention behind your post

[Aolbain]

Nizaris1 wrote...

That is why the main character must be a Grey Warden forever and ever in all DA series

...and around here I finnaly got it, your trolling. Good job ma'm, you got me.

[Heimdall]

Stop feeding the troll people.

[Pzykozis]

Nizaris1 wrote...

Elissa is a Grey Warden, a member of respected organization, she got the title "Hero of Ferelden" after going through all the miserable thing in her way, ending the Blight

Hawke is a nobody who get rich, doing nothing great in her way, and get the title "Champion" after dueling with Arishok

Elissa is a nobody who gets respect and resources by doing nothing great, and gets to be a Grey Warden. AFTER DOING NOTHING AT ALL.

Clearly a respectable organisation /alloftheTzarsofRussiacombinedtoformamegaTzarchasm.

Modifié par Pzykozis, 05 décembre 2012 - 12:52 .

[esper]

FitScotGaymer wrote...

Nizaris is horribly trolling you lot at this point I think.

EDIT:
I say this because honestly, I do not believe that someone can be this stubborn, this stupid, and this arrogant.

I don't know, a lot of her posts on the forum are exactly like this.

[Wullo]

I just wanna thank nizaris for the amusement her posts brought me in the last couple hours i've been reading them. I was terribly bored at work..
First I was upset how someone can be so stubborn (to put it lightly) and narrow-minded but then.. oh the hilarity! THANK YOU! I needed it

[esper]

Should we perhaps wait jugding the whole inqusitor thing to we know what it is and if we even are going to be one.

[esper]

Nizaris1 wrote...

Bad Guys : who are you
PC : I am the Inquisitor
Bad Guys : Die now

Corrupted Politician : So, you are the Inquisitor, do you think i will tell you anything?

Bad Cronies : Shhhhhh Inquisitor is coming!

Who will cooperate with Inquisitor? bad guys sure don't, because of your title.

The Thedosians are going to react to the PC's title according to Thedas' lore not earth lore.
There is a difference.
A bloody big difference.

Edit. They also going to react the way the writers want them to react and not the way you want them to.

Modifié par esper, 05 décembre 2012 - 04:04 .

[The Hierophant]

Nizaris1 wrote...

How come James Bond manage to investigate anything if he admit he is British Intelligence?

"Hi, i am Bond, James Bond, British Intelligence", he will be shot on the spot.

So DA have lost it sense since DA2 because abandoning what was established in DA:O....

Abandoned what?

[esper]

Nizaris1 wrote...

How come James Bond manage to investigate anything if he admit he is British Intelligence?

"Hi, i am Bond, James Bond, British Intelligence", he will be shot on the spot.

So DA have lost it sense since DA2 because abandoning what was established in DA:O....

Da2 abandoned nothing in terms of story.

[upsettingshorts]

Hold on. Nizaris1 isn't an inquisitor sent to discover what happened to The Warden?

[esper]

Nizaris1 wrote...

Abandoned what?

Grey Warden, Darkspawn, Archdemon and The Blight

The Blight ended when the Archdemon was killed, thus ending that storyline.

The darkspawn still exist in the universe, they are just not the focus.