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[DarkSpiral]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

I'd like to know Bioware's stance on Darkspawn designs and how they'd look in DA3.

I am certain we'll see something along those line once screenshots begin releasing.  Summer, perhaps?

[AlexanderCousland]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Orzammar is no more in Ferelden than Ferelden is in Orzammar. They are politically and geologically distinct. It's just that while most countries are separated horizontally, they're separated vertically.

Nor are the Dalish Fereldans. The entire point of the Dalish is that they're elves not under human rule. The Dalish have a nomadic existence and can be found constantly moving through different countries.

The reason the Fifth Blight ended so quickly is because it had the PC fighting against it. And the PC is not necessarily a Fereldan.

I wont dispute that Orzammar and Dalish are not Fereldan.

I will say that they are geographically loctaed in Fereldan by  Thedas' Map.

[AlexanderCousland]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

I'd like to know Bioware's stance on Darkspawn designs and how they'd look in DA3.

Hopefully they dont look like the Puddies from Power Rangers like they did in DA2

[DarkSpiral]

FreshIstay wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Orzammar is no more in Ferelden than Ferelden is in Orzammar. They are politically and geologically distinct. It's just that while most countries are separated horizontally, they're separated vertically.

Nor are the Dalish Fereldans. The entire point of the Dalish is that they're elves not under human rule. The Dalish have a nomadic existence and can be found constantly moving through different countries.

The reason the Fifth Blight ended so quickly is because it had the PC fighting against it. And the PC is not necessarily a Fereldan.

I wont dispute that Orzammar and Dalish are not Fereldan.

I will say that they are geographically loctaed in Fereldan by  Thedas' Map.

The closest thing to the Dalish ic an think of in history is the Gypsies (though I admitedly knwo very little about Gypisies that can be verified as fact).  I don't think they considered themsevles citizens of whatever nation they were passing through.

As for Orzammar, I alos agree they definetly aren't citizens of Ferelden.  They have their own king, borders (borders that involve passing through strata instead of political or geographic markers, but still), social stucture, and economy.  While they may have stonger ties to Ferelden than to other nations (assuming that they don't have any other exits to the surface than the one we see in Origins) that doesn't make them subject to the Ferelden throne.

Hm.  *Is* there any other exit from Orzammmar to the surface?  I mean ones the dwarves till use, of course.  Not ones that used to be used, and aren't anymore since the darkspawn infested the Deep Roads.

Modifié par DarkSpiral, 07 décembre 2012 - 07:58 .

[Hurbster]

It's difficult to take the darkspawn seriously after their redesign in DA2.

[DarkSpiral]

Hurbster wrote...

It's difficult to take the darkspawn seriously after their redesign in DA2.

Yes, well.

Whent he first DA2 screen were released and the amount of visual change the 'spawn had been given was made clear, I pretty much shrugged.  It wasn't a big deal to me.

It isn't exactly a big dwal now, either.  But the spawn in DA2 remind me more of zombies than anything else, and that definetly isn't what they made me think of back in Origins.  I wouldn't cry if the art tema gave the darkspawn yet another facelift.  Maybe something with shark-like teeth again.  That was the only thing that I thought was actually BAD about the new design.

[TEWR]

DarkSpiral wrote...

The closest thing to the Dalish ic an think of in history is the Gypsies

The Elves as a whole bear a distinct similarity to a few cultures: Native Americans, Gypsies, Celtic/Welsh tribes, and Jewish people.

The City Elves bear more of the latter, while the Dalish have more of the former 3.

DarkSpiral wrote...

Hm. *Is* there any other exit from Orzammmar to the surface? I mean ones the dwarves till use, of course. Not ones that used to be used, and aren't anymore since the darkspawn infested the Deep Roads.

As far as I know, Orzammar only has the one entrance to the surface, but there are passages from some of the outlying thaigs/mines that also lead up to the surface.

[Dave of Canada]

Hurbster wrote...

It's difficult to take the darkspawn seriously after their redesign in DA2.

It was difficult to take them seriously when they looked like zombie mud orcs.

[esper]

Nizaris1 wrote...

Orzammar is no more in Ferelden than Ferelden is in Orzammar. They are
politically and geologically distinct. It's just that while most
countries are separated horizontally, they're separated vertically.

Nor
are the Dalish Fereldans. The entire point of the Dalish is that
they're elves not under human rule. The Dalish have a nomadic existence
and can be found constantly moving through different countries.

The Dalish and Dwarves in Ferelden are Fereldens.

The Dwarves live underground, of course they have their own king but they still inside Ferelden. remember that Ferelden King can request Orzamar to make the Warden as Paragon. I don't know what the correct term, maybe Orzamar is protectorate of Ferelden?

Legally, they are in Ferelden...unless David Gaider say otherwise.

While the Dalish...they choose to live as nomad because want to escape human rule, meaning the one who rule Ferelden. But they still Fereldens because they live and born in Ferelden. They lost their land because they lost the war.

To make comparison, they are like Native Americans...see Native AMERICANS, can you call Red indians as Americans? Yes you can, either they take themselves as American or not is up to them, but we call them Native AMERICANS

The Dwarvees are not Fereldans. They have their own country.  Which is regonized as an individual country by the other monarcs. Hence why Loghain basically sent an ambessedour to try and get in contact with the dwarves.Legally speaking Fereldan is only above ground.The countrys border ends at the gates to Orzommar.

The dalish are not Fereldan, but like other nomads they do move around on Fereldan ground. They do not regonize themself as Fereldans and exist also in other countries. No human country is important to them and the only reason that there is a dalish clan left for us to recruit in da:o is because they got cursed and couldn't really escape fereldan like the other clans did when the blight began.

[esper]

Nizaris1 wrote...

Similar with my country, we are multiracial, we have Indian and Chinese (and many more), they all Malaysians, They are not Indian of India, Chinese of China, they are Indian and Chinese of Malaysia, they call themselves Malaysian. 1 Malaysia!

The Malays who is the ruler, the King and Prime Minister, but the non-Malays have similar rights except in few things with the Malays. Islam is the constitutional religion but other religion can be practice here freely by the ones who practice it.

Actually the Malays nowadays only take 55% approx from the whole population. The non-Malays (and non-Muslims) have born here and consider this country is their home too, they will not going anywhere even they have countries with their race name (India, China, Portugal ect)

It is not similary to your country at all.

Fereldan only goes to Orzommar. Its border is at the door.

The dalish are not regnoized as Fereldans, or whatever other nation their currently squat in. They consider their clan for 'home country' and their clan do not stay in one place, nor one country.

Nomads =/= from multiculturalism. Espcially nomads as the dalish who actively make a point of off saying: 'We have no country thanks to evil humans'.

The multiculturallism comes with topside born dwarves (as Varric) and city elves (which is not the same as dalishs), but neither off those things is unique in any way to Fereldan.

[DarkSpiral]

Nizaris1 wrote...

The Dalish and Dwarves in Ferelden are Fereldens.

Of course the dwarves in Ferelden are Fereldans.  But the dwarves in Orzammar are not.  Because Orzammar is not part of Ferelden.

The Dwarves live underground, of course they have their own king but they still inside Ferelden. remember that Ferelden King can request Orzamar to make the Warden as Paragon.

Find me the quote that says the Monarchy of Fereldan had anything to do with the Assembly of Deshyr in Orzammar making the (dwarven) Warden a Paragon.  You won't.  Because it didn't happen.  Once again, you're making it up as you go along.

They lost their land because they lost the war.

Whoah, whoah WHOAH!  Hold up!
...that's actually correct.  Good on you! 

I expect you may actually be unaware of this, as I belive you don't live here in the USA, but on their reservations, the Native American tribes are recognized as soveriegn entities.  "Indian Land" is technically its own sovereign territory.  So no, not much like the Dalish, in that regard anyway.

[DarkSpiral]

Nizaris1 wrote...

Now look at Singaporeans, most people think Singapore is Chinese country, actually it was Malay's, even Pirate of Caribbean showing the false info. It is because the Chinese have dominated that island leaving Malays become minority, outsiders especially the western people think Singapore is Chinese country.

Singapore not even Chinese word, it was Malay word Singa (Lion) Pura (land/place), it was a part of Malaya in WW2 until an agreement with British making Singapore leave Malaysia in 1963, now people think Singapore is Chinese country.

The Dalish is like the Malays in Singapore, they are Singaporeans but Singapore itself being recognized as Chinese country (Singapore is ruled by Chinese). So like "Ferelden".

Um.  With no sarcasm, this went right past me.  I don't understand the point you're trying to make.

[DarkSpiral]

Nizaris1 wrote...

Alright, to make it simple for you guys understand what i am talking about...

Great Britain is the country, the people there are called BRITISH...now, do Scottish people consider themselves as British, i have a Scottish friend, he not consider himself as British at all, but he is the citizen of Great Britain.

The British themselves consider themselves as Welsh, am i right? or it is Wales...?

So, the Dalish is like the Scottish here...there is Scotland, and there is Dales...Scotland is now great Britain, Dales is now Ferelden

Scotland is an actual LOCATION, Nizaris.  You can go there, see the highlands and the people, and then leave.  its a section of Great Britan.  Its people pay taxes, swear loyalty to (and just plain swear at) the government, and hosts of thing sthat citizens do.

The Dalish do none of those things in Ferelden.

Wait.  Forget all that.  I have a question.  The clan the Dalish Warden was born among?  By your definition they're Ferelden.  And then they...what?  Emigrate to the Free Marches?  Are they marcehrs now?  Kirkwallers?  I'll bet none of them (well, okay marethari and Merrill do) ever set foot in the city.  They pay no taxes, and have no loyalty to the Viscount.  What are they?

The most correct answer is probably outlaws, and thats what the average Ferelden probably thinsk of any Dalish clans, when they think of them at all.

[esper]

Nizaris1 wrote...

Alright, to make it simple for you guys understand what i am talking about...

Great Britain is the country, the people there are called BRITISH...now, do Scottish people consider themselves as British, i have a Scottish friend, he not consider himself as British at all, but he is the citizen of Great Britain.

The British themselves consider themselves as Welsh, am i right? or it is Wales...?

So, the Dalish is like the Scottish here...there is Scotland, and there is Dales...Scotland is now great Britain, Dales is now Ferelden

The dalish it NOT like the scotties,the dalish is NOMADS meaning that they don't have a home ground.

The dalish does not stay in one country. An dalish born on fereldan ground, my spend his adolence on Orlesian and die in Andersfeld, because the dalish travel around. They do not regnoize them self as part of fereldan and the fereldan does not regonize them as part of fereldan. The dalish in Fereldan are not a citizien of Fereldan. Neither Fereldans monarch nor the dalish regnoize them as such.

[Commander Kurt]

Nizaris1 wrote...
The British themselves consider themselves as Welsh, am i right? or it is Wales...?

No, you've got it right.

I just have to say that this is insanely funny, and I can't help being impressed. You are obviously very skilled at what you do.

[Welsh Inferno]

Nizaris1 wrote...

Alright, to make it simple for you guys understand what i am talking about...

Great Britain is the country, the people there are called BRITISH...now, do Scottish people consider themselves as British, i have a Scottish friend, he not consider himself as British at all, but he is the citizen of Great Britain.

The British themselves consider themselves as Welsh, am i right? or it is Wales...?

So, the Dalish is like the Scottish here...there is Scotland, and there is Dales...Scotland is now great Britain, Dales is now Ferelden

It depends from person to person. Welsh, Scottish & Northern Irish are all british. But some people just like to dissasociate themselves from England by saying "I'm Welsh/Scottish/Irish! Not British!" But technically we are. 

Second bolded, Wales is a country just like Scotland is.... not all british people are welsh... <_<

I'd say the dalish are more like Ireland if you are going to compare them to anyone in the British isle's. Ireland is not part of Britain & they do not want to be.

[Kidd]

Lord Aesir wrote...

Besides, the Fifth Blight is considered the weakest Blight yet.

When was this stated? Not that I don't believe you, I'm just curious to read the full text myself.

DarkSpiral wrote...

Its people pay taxes, swear loyalty to (and just plain swear at) the government,

Great wording, I chuckled. Have a cookie, serrah!

[DarkSpiral]

[quote]KiddDaBeauty wrote...

[quote]Lord Aesir wrote...

Besides, the Fifth Blight is considered the weakest Blight yet.[/quote]
When was this stated? Not that I don't believe you, I'm just curious to read the full text myself.[/quote]

It's a bit of a fanon statement.  It lasted less than a year, blighted only a portion of a single kingdom, rather than the whole thing and then some, and in general was far less of a continent-wide threat than previous Blights have been.  It hasn't ever actually been stated by a character in the game (or a dev, that I've seen) that the Fifth Blight was ACTUALLY weaker.  And in fact, probably was every bit as much of a threat as previous Blights had been.  If it had been allowed to grow.

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[quote]DarkSpiral wrote...

Its people pay taxes, swear loyalty to (and just plain swear at) the government,[/quote]
Great wording, I chuckled. Have a cookie, serrah!
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Thanks , I will.

Modifié par DarkSpiral, 07 décembre 2012 - 11:30 .

[Herr Uhl]

KiddDaBeauty wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

Besides, the Fifth Blight is considered the weakest Blight yet.

When was this stated? Not that I don't believe you, I'm just curious to read the full text myself.

Well, people even dispute that it was a blight.

While some of my contemporaries dispute whether the Fifth Blight was a true Blight or merely a large darkspawn resurgence, historians agree that it began in the swamps of the Korcari Wilds on the southeastern border of Ferelden in the year 9:30 Dragon.

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