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Are Darkspawn Still Relevant?


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Lord Aesir wrote...

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@Herr Uhl Wow, Hawke really took the long way around.


Not really, seams to be the same distance to both the waking see and the Amaranthine ocean from Lothering.

But a much longer sea route.  If they'd gone north the sea journey would have been much shorter.


True

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@ aTrueFool

You two. You both got me. Lol

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So..

How bout those Darkspawn. Lol

Does anyone think some Disciples may show in the next game, maybe Corepheyus or The Architect (if you didnt kill him) sidequests, or dlc?

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So..

How bout those Darkspawn. Lol

Does anyone think some Disciples may show in the next game, maybe Corepheyus or The Architect (if you didnt kill him) sidequests, or dlc?

I hope so.  I'm thinking that they could have storyline for the Architect and then have a Disciple fill in if he died, with some changes.

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Only if my character not being a grey wwarden and all just freaks the f out and stabs it in the neck straight away. Damn, darkspawn are like the bogeyman for kids, no sane person is just going to accept sentient darkspawn and help them, not to mention the fact that you'll get tainted and die just by being near it.

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Herr Uhl wrote...

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@aTrueFool

Gwaren port leads to the Waking Sea. That's how Hawke got to Kirkwall. From Gwaren across the Waking Sea. Amaranthine is near the Amaranthine Ocean.

I wish people would stop giving out Mis-information.


Look at this map.
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The red arrow is Gwaren and the yellow one is Amaranthine. How is Gwaren towards the Waking Sea?


So...Dwarves and Dalish are Fereldens

Just because they are not human doesn't make they are not Fereldens

Modifié par Nizaris1, 08 décembre 2012 - 01:43 .


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Of the two possibilities, Corephyus is more likely to reappear. The Architect is either dead or (at least claims) wants to take his bretheren down into the Deep Roads where they won't be in contact with anyone else. Corephyus, on the other hand, wants the surface really badly, and if he is a magister (there is some doubt that he ISN'T merely crazy, afterall) then he certainly will want to build a powerbase, in which case we'll be hearing from him/her again.

So, yeah darkspawn are still relevant :)

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Lord Aesir wrote...

FreshIstay wrote...

So..

How bout those Darkspawn. Lol

Does anyone think some Disciples may show in the next game, maybe Corepheyus or The Architect (if you didnt kill him) sidequests, or dlc?

I hope so.  I'm thinking that they could have storyline for the Architect and then have a Disciple fill in if he died, with some changes.



or they can just make another retcon...wouldn't be the first.

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Scotland is an actual LOCATION, Nizaris. You can go there, see the highlands and the people, and then leave. its a section of Great Britan. Its people pay taxes, swear loyalty to (and just plain swear at) the government, and hosts of thing sthat citizens do.


The King boon give land to the Dalish...they become the citizen of Ferelden

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Nizaris1 wrote...

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Scotland is an actual LOCATION, Nizaris. You can go there, see the highlands and the people, and then leave. its a section of Great Britan. Its people pay taxes, swear loyalty to (and just plain swear at) the government, and hosts of thing sthat citizens do.


The King boon give land to the Dalish...they become the citizen of Ferelden


If it happens at all of course.  I've never actually used that boon in my games.

However, for once, I can't actually be sure you're wrong.  It does happen "off camera" afterall.  I still think you ARE wrong, of course.  But, if we assume the citizenry of Ferelden also think that the Dalish being given land by Alistair means that those clans that move there are subject to the Ferelden throne, it could be one reason why something went wrong.  Alistair mentions it in DA2, if the Dalish were granted land, and if Merrill was in your party when you went to speak to King Alistair.  Its something to ponder, but it isn't definitive.

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My point is Ferelden is unique country and strong, especially after the 5th Blight where Alistair is the King and warden is the Queen, or Alistair as a King alone or with Anora as a Queen, or the Warden is the King, because it change everything, it change the world...Ferelden is a New World Order

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Speaking of the Dales.....

Maybe the resurection of Arlathan...considering these Eluvian's.
Or the return of Griffons to warden ranks, or just period, because if dragons are coming back Griffons are the ones who usually battle them.

Im also intriuged by what the influence, ranks, and social standing of the Templars maybe without Chantry authority to back them. Mages as well.

Will we find out if Maric did indeed have 3 children?

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FreshIstay wrote...

Speaking of the Dales.....

Maybe the resurection of Arlathan...considering these Eluvian's.
Or the return of Griffons to warden ranks, or just period, because if dragons are coming back Griffons are the ones who usually battle them.

Im also intriuged by what the influence, ranks, and social standing of the Templars maybe without Chantry authority to back them. Mages as well.

Will we find out if Maric did indeed have 3 children?



Given what we've seen of the Eluvians, I think they'll probably serve the same the same function as the Palantír do in LOTR.  By that I refer to the fatc that you never know who is watching you while your using it.

If a single item (or rather a single network, I suppose) can resurrect an entire lost city, I honestly think it would have happened by now.

Modifié par DarkSpiral, 08 décembre 2012 - 02:56 .


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If so then what was all that stuff in DA2 about? What were the Wardens up to? I think they're perfectly relevant, they're part of the DNA of Dragon Age and there's more to discover. Where do they hide between blights, how do they find and corrupt Old Gods? How many Old Gods are left?

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Am I missing something? Cuz, Hawke killed (or so it appeared) Corypheous 6 times and it didn't appear that he came back to life! I am confuzed... :(

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My point is Ferelden is unique country and strong, especially after the 5th Blight where Alistair is the King and warden is the Queen, or Alistair as a King alone or with Anora as a Queen, or the Warden is the King, because it change everything, it change the world...Ferelden is a New World Order


IF Alistair is King, IF the Warden is his Queen, IF Anora is his Queen, IF the Warden is King, if this, if that, ad infinitum.

IF wishes were horses, beggars would ride.  There are far to many IFs in your post to drawn anyting more substantial than "it would be really cool IF this were true."  Your conclusion is certainly something one could write an interesting fanfiction about, but asserting that your daydreams MUST be correct is simply not true.

I'll give you unique.  But that was true at the start of DA:O.  Noone else in Thedas has a political system like the Landmeet.  The Free Marches purpotedly have something similar, but that's more of a loose alliance of mutual benefit, rather than a actual system of governance.

Strong, on the other hand?  A third at least, maybe even the whole southern half, of the country was Blighted before the Archdemon fell.  One entire army was slaughtered at Ostagar, and the losses to the second human army at Denerim were never revealed.  So strong?  No, probably not.  Up and coming, perhaps.  And if the Mage/Templar war has any effect on the political landscape of Orlais (in absense of any tangible info, its as likely as anything else at this point) than it might even come to be so.  As no actual infomation has been released by Bioware, its nothing more than a guess however.

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vortex216 wrote...

Am I missing something? Cuz, Hawke killed (or so it appeared) Corypheous 6 times and it didn't appear that he came back to life! I am confuzed... :(


It is suggested very heavily that Cory possessd witchever Grey Warden was your chosen ally.  Be it Larius or Janeka.  I'm sure youtube has the death scene and the dialogue posted multiple times, if you want to look it up.

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So...Dwarves and Dalish are Fereldens

Just because they are not human doesn't make they are not Fereldens


No they are not. Orzammar is its own sovereign nation. They are NOT Fereldan. Likewise, the Dalish are not Fereldan, not even if land is granted to them in Dalish playthroughs. If they don't receive land, they continue to be nomadic wanderers 

If land is granted to them, they begin building their own country. And then **** happens -- which Alistair's comments imply is the fault of the humans -- and they lose that country.

Neither Dwarves nor Elves are Fereldan. Ever. 

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DarkSpiral wrote...

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My point is Ferelden is unique country and strong, especially after the 5th Blight where Alistair is the King and warden is the Queen, or Alistair as a King alone or with Anora as a Queen, or the Warden is the King, because it change everything, it change the world...Ferelden is a New World Order


IF Alistair is King, IF the Warden is his Queen, IF Anora is his Queen, IF the Warden is King, if this, if that, ad infinitum.

IF wishes were horses, beggars would ride.  There are far to many IFs in your post to drawn anyting more substantial than "it would be really cool IF this were true."  Your conclusion is certainly something one could write an interesting fanfiction about, but asserting that your daydreams MUST be correct is simply not true.


Isn't that the game is all about? Creating our own canon? if not then why making choices in game at all?

Better make a game where there is no choice and just straight foward ending. There will be no canon and non canon issue.

My point is DA have started like that then throw it away

Modifié par Nizaris1, 08 décembre 2012 - 03:37 .


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Nizaris1 wrote...

DarkSpiral wrote...

Nizaris1 wrote...

My point is Ferelden is unique country and strong, especially after the 5th Blight where Alistair is the King and warden is the Queen, or Alistair as a King alone or with Anora as a Queen, or the Warden is the King, because it change everything, it change the world...Ferelden is a New World Order


IF Alistair is King, IF the Warden is his Queen, IF Anora is his Queen, IF the Warden is King, if this, if that, ad infinitum.

IF wishes were horses, beggars would ride.  There are far to many IFs in your post to drawn anyting more substantial than "it would be really cool IF this were true."  Your conclusion is certainly something one could write an interesting fanfiction about, but asserting that your daydreams MUST be correct is simply not true.


Isn't that the game is all about? Creating our own canon? if not then why making choices in game at all?

Better make a game where there is no choice and just straight foward ending. There will be no canon and non canon issue.

My point is DA have started like that then throw it away


It really hasn't you're just living in delusion.

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they throw it away because they cannot handle it...too many changes, too many things, they so lazy to make details in the next game (DA2), if it is about the world, then everything count...this proove no one can be God

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in TES, bethesda simply making new things on each game, every choices in previous game doesn't matter because the next game usually take hundreds of years background, so players just play new thing in new game.

Oblivion and Skyrim took hundreds years, so everything in Oblivion just being mention in books in Skyrim and the main character is just anonymous. And Oblivion have linear story...in the end Martin sacrifice himself to kill Mehrune Dagon...the end...next game mention about that, but the whole game is new game.

The story is not important at all in TES, so the world is not actually important. The main character have nothing to do with anything, just unknown prisoner of unknown crime escape prison.

But DA, we have numerous origins, numerous choices, numerous consequences, have chain reaction, butterfly effect...suddenly DA2 show nothing. When we want to talk about it, they say "non-canon", "your headcanon", "delusional"...and so on...why?

That is why i say DA is dead

Modifié par Nizaris1, 08 décembre 2012 - 03:48 .


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Nizaris1 wrote...

in TES, bethesda simply making new things on each game, every choices in previous game doesn't matter because the next game usually take hundreds of years background, so players just play new thing in new game.

Oblivion and Skyrim took hundreds years, so everything in Oblivion just being mention in books in Skyrim and the main character is just anonymous. And Oblivion have linear story...in the end Martin sacrifice himself to kill Mehrune Dagon...the end...next game mention about that, but the whole game is new game.

The story is not important at all in TES, so the world is not actually important. The main character have nothing to do with anything, just unknown prisoner of unknown crime escape prison.

But DA, we have numerous origins, numerous choices, numerous consequences, have chain reaction, butterfly effect


No.

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These things you are talking about aren't laziness on their part. Its lack of wish fullfillment.

They haven't thrown anything away. They moved from one part of the world to another, and will now be moving on to a third (possibly more than one country, but we don't know to what extent). What they have done is NOT cancel out any of your choices. So far, at least. Nothing in DA2 contradicts what your choices in DA:O could have been.

What your suggesting is that they make games that spin off from the choices you made in DA:O, regardless of the fact that several of those choices are mutually exclusive and would have completely different effects. The fact they have not done so isn't lazy, its completely infeasable.

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DA2 must be the continuation of DA:O, because every decision in DA:O make changes to the world. The event must continue, the changes must continue.

When save Urn of Sacred Ashes in DA:O, DA2 must show the Templar are more zealous, the Chantry is more stronger.

When make Warden a Queen, DA2 must show Cousland name restored, Fergus re-establish the Cousland.

When make Alistair a King, show that Grey Warden involve in politic, become more influential.

When have Old God Baby, must show that in DA2

Every single thing in DA:O must be shown in DA2, because of BUTTERFLY EFFECT....that is THE WORLD....not just shifting everything and create a new story then claim it is about the world, but nothing about the world at all..

Modifié par Nizaris1, 08 décembre 2012 - 03:57 .