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[Heimdall]

Nizaris1 wrote...

ah...you guys just want to deny everything i say...alright then...

no use saying anything anymore...

keep you guys denial syndrome...for me DA is dead already...

bah, you said that ten pages ago 

You're the one denying everything we say, at any rate.

[Heimdall]

FreshIstay wrote...

It's quite amusing that you'd question Ferelden's military prowess, considering they stopped a Blight before it could spread itself across the lands. Fereldan is the birthplace of Andraste, and the barbarian tribe's who marched on the Imperium. Is that renowned enough, or should I go further?  Economic's and Trade, How would YOU know?  Are you a Thedasian Economist? 

Weren't you the one giving me the speech about past power not being present power?  As for the economy, Ferelden is an out of the way country with no resources other countries want that we know of.  Adding in the descriptions of richer countries of Tervinter and Orlais, it doesn't take much to conclude that Ferelden is hardly the top of the heap economically

About the Orlesian thing, nobody is doing that.  If anything, we hear what the Orlesians say and instead of instantly discarding it as prejudice we examine the claim and look for a reason to say that they're wrong.  I haven't found anything indicating that Ferelden is going to be the next big thing in Thedas.

[AlexanderCousland]

DarkSpiral wrote...


As the official descriptions of the guide say it was authored (that means the person that wrote the material you're reading was not a Bioware employee, even though the information they're referencing was provided to them by Bioware) by by Piggyback, and published by Prima, I find your beliefs hard to credit.  If you could perhaps check the books credits and find Gaider's name in it?  Or Laidlaw's?  They have to be there, legally, if they wrote the material you're reading, rather than provided the raw data.

Listen. The hardcover collector's edition official Dragon Age 2 game guide that I purchased with the Collector's edition version of DA2 on the day of Dragon Age 2's North American release date, lists in the credits under the description, Bioware Dragon Age II Guide Team ; Mike Laidlaw, Mark Darrah, David Gaider. (the whole writer's pit for that matter) and All the other teams employed by Bioware that were involved with the guide , as well as concept art. an Encyclopedia with detailed descriptions of each nation, Backstory's on each Lead involved in the project. Hell, the guide even says  in it's epilouge "Will some kind of inquisition be at the heart of the events of the next Dragon Age Title?"

Im not saying this just to say this. or would you like me to post a pic? (though i really dont know how, but i'll figure it out, just for you)

What accomplishments?  The Blight?  They had help.  A lot of it.  Reclaiming there country from Orlais?  I'd give you that one, but ti was something like 20 years before the start of DA:O and has little bearing on their military strength after the Blight. 

Yea, Fereldan had help from people geograhpically located within it's own borders. Besides, That's kind of why a Blight is such a big deal, It requires people to come together to face a common enemy. Im not talking about strength after the blight, Im talking about Fereldan military strength period, which is why I amused as to why it's being questioned, They've historically proven themselves formidable, regardless of their state I have faith that they will perservere behind the courage of the country's leadership.



 

[Heimdall]

Nizaris1 wrote...
I don't think human army of Ferelden suffering much, because even after Ostagar, they can busy themselves killing each other in civil war...so no, there is no loss in human army, only not too organize maybe because of Civil war, but under the new King/Queen there is not much problem

Losses in Blight+Losses in Civil War=Massive loss of manpower.  There's a reason civil wars are the bloodiest.

Loghain can be an actively Grey Warden recruiter, who will he recruit? Surely not Orlesians, but Fereldens, and Logfhain is not just a Grey Warden after he become a Grey Warden

By order of the First Warden, Loghain was transferred to serve with the Orlesian Grey Wardens.  He won't be finding many Ferelden's to recruit over there.  And yes, he is just a Warden.

With a King who is Chantry boy, i really doubt that, in anyway, Templar also are king subject, Knight Commander stand down when Alistair give more freedom to the Mages

For the moment, but the chantry blocks Alistair if he tries as we find out in Dragon Age 2.  The Templars Order is not part of the Ferelden military.  They'll protect innocents if pressed but they won't march because the king says jump.  The Chantry would lose influence with the nation they are fighting if they did, and they can't have that.

Quantity is not a decisive issue, but loyalty, Ferelden Circle is more liberal than any other Circles especially under the new King.

I'm convinced that wouldn't make a difference, mages are still distrusted in Ferelden and many won't tolerate the most gilded of cages.  Even if it did, the vast majority of the Circle in Ferelden lies dead.  Not all the loyalty in the world is going to make up for that.

yes, seriously, the Grey warden they allied with is now the king of Ferelden, and if not the King of Ferelden, Dwarves under Bhelen now seek economic interests in the surface, they will not jeopardize their interests by being selfish...under Harrowmont maybe the are doomed. legion of the dead will keep Darkspawn busy...so less problem for anyone else.

The dwarves suit their interests by not taking sides.  They do business with every nation in Thedas that has mages in need of lyrium, taking sides is bad for business.  At least you conceded with the Legion

Not for the crown but for the land, Ferelden is their home too.

Nope, they're nomads and the land grant, if it happens, just creates a ton of animosity between them and their Ferelden neighbors.

yes, i just stated them as fine addition to the army

A fine addition shared by every nation, so not a point in favor of Ferelden military superiority.

Assassin and spy world is larger than you think...i know...you don't

Uh huh <_<

The Qunari is not like what you think, just because the Arishok in DA2 is like that, doesn't mean all Arishok are like that

Really?  Sten made it quite clear what the Qunari tend to think about outsiders.  I suggest you find me an example of a Qunari that was enthusiastic about making friends outside the Qun.  They see their religion/philosophy as the antidote to all suffering and have historically sought conversion at every turn.  Ugh, I am so being trolled. 

Modifié par Lord Aesir, 09 décembre 2012 - 06:41 .

[Heimdall]

Nizaris1 wrote...

keep on denying...the way i see it, you guys who have denial syndrome just want to make DA:O as nothing, you guys don't even care about DA:O...so keep making Ferelden and everything related to DA:O as nothing...while praising DA2...

not praising, merely trying to stay objective

[AlexanderCousland]

FreshIstay wrote...

It's quite amusing that you'd question Ferelden's military prowess, considering they stopped a Blight before it could spread itself across the lands. Ferelden is the birthplace of Andraste, and the barbarian tribe's who marched on the Imperium. Is that renowned enough, or should I go further?  Economic's and Trade, How would YOU know?  Are you a Thedasian Economist? 

Lord Aesir wrote...

Weren't you the one giving me the speech about past power not being present power?  As for the economy, Ferelden is an out of the way country with no resources other countries want that we know of.  Adding in the descriptions of richer countries of Tervinter and Orlais, it doesn't take much to conclude that Ferelden is hardly the top of the heap economically.

Quit taking my statement's out of context. I was responding to another poster who was questioning Fereldan renown.

Ferelden sits on the ocean, water border's Ferelden to the north and east. If you wondering what Water has to do with anything, Water brings in the ability to dock ships, which is good for trade. Ferelden boasts at least two  profitable ports. so it's Far from "out of the way".. if anything countries with no access to the ocean are at a disadvantage when It comes to trade. The Free Marches are considered "the bread basket of Thedas" and Ferelden is in prime geographical postion to do business. 

At any rate, Im not arguing that Ferelden is an Economic power, I know it's not, I find myself in the odd position of defending something that's written in a book, That Fereldan is "WELL on it's way to becoming a power on the CONTINENT".

Lord Aesir wrote.

About the Orlesian thing, nobody is doing that. If anything, we hear what the Orlesians say and instead of instantly discarding it as prejudice we examine the claim and look for a reason to say that they're wrong. I haven't found anything indicating that Ferelden is going to be the next big thing in Thedas.

That was just a clever way of saying "I hear what the Orlesian's say, and I believe them", You have never even seen Orlais.

And BTW, I have found something that Indicates Ferelden is going to be the next big thing in Thedas .


  



 

Modifié par FreshIstay, 09 décembre 2012 - 07:02 .

[Heimdall]

FreshIstay wrote...

Yea, Fereldan had help from people geograhpically located within it's own borders. Besides, That's kind of why a Blight is such a big deal, It requires people to come together to face a common enemy. Im not talking about strength after the blight, Im talking about Fereldan military strength period, which is why I amused as to why it's being questioned, They've historically proven themselves formidable, regardless of their state I have faith that they will perservere behind the courage of the country's leadership.

Nobody's saying they'll be conquered tomorrow, but its a leap of logic from "They'll persevere" to "They'll become a dominant power in Thedas."

I can accept that they could rise to that role, but it'lltake the rest of the Dragon Age to actually get there.

[DarkSpiral]

FreshIstay wrote...

Listen. The hardcover collector's edition official Dragon Age 2 game guide that I purchased with the Collector's edition version of DA2 on the day of Dragon Age 2's North American release date, lists in the credits under the description, Bioware Dragon Age II Guide Team ; Mike Laidlaw, Mark Darrah, David Gaider. (the whole writer's pit for that matter) and All the other teams employed by Bioware that were involved with the guide , as well as concept art. an Encyclopedia with detailed descriptions of each nation, Backstory's on each Lead involved in the project. Hell, the guide even says  in it's epilouge "Will some kind of inquisition be at the heart of the events of the next Dragon Age Title?"

Im not saying this just to say this. or would you like me to post a pic? (though i really dont know how, but i'll figure it out, just for you)

Thats not necessary.  I'll accept the guide as a legitimate source, given the listing of the writers as also writing the guide.

Yea, Fereldan had help from people geograhpically located within it's own borders. Besides, That's kind of why a Blight is such a big deal, It requires people to come together to face a common enemy. Im not talking about strength after the blight, Im talking about Fereldan military strength period, which is why I amused as to why it's being questioned, They've historically proven themselves formidable, regardless of their state I have faith that they will perservere behind the courage of the country's leadership.

Military strength is only valid when used in the present tense.  Rome's history of military accomplishments were irrelevant when the end came; it no longer had that military strength. As Ferelden stands, given what information we have as to its current status in the world as of DA2, it isn't a major player.  That could change.  We could see it change in DA:I.  I'll even tenatively accept your quotation from the strategy guide as being evidence that the storytelles intend for it to change.  But it hasn't happened yet.

[Heimdall]

FreshIstay wrote...
Fereldan sits on the ocean, water border's Ferelden to the north and east. If you wondering what Water has to do with anything, Water brings in the ability to dock ships, which is good for trade. Fereldan boasts at least two  profitable ports. so it's Far from "out of the way".. if anything countries with no access to the ocean are at a disadvantage when It comes to trade. The Free Marches are considered "the bread basket of Thedas" and Ferelden is in prime geographical postion to do business. 

At any rate, Im not arguing that Fereldan is an Economic power, I know it's not, I find myself in the odd position of defending something that's written in a book, That Fereldan is "WELL on it's way to becoming a power on the CONTINENT".

Water is not in itself a deciding factor.  Traders have to have a reason to travel to Ferelden.  Nobody needs to travel through Ferelden to get anywhere else and being close to the Free Marches is only useful if they have something to trade.  As they have no novel goods that the Marchers can't make themselves that we know of, I fail to see how that helps them a great deal.  Even if it did, most other nations have ports and are better located.

That was just a clever way of saying "I hear what the Orlesian's say, and I believe them", You have never even seen Orlais.

And BTW, I have found something that Indicates Ferelden is going to be the next big thing in Thedas .

If you're going to keep parroting that book, I can only tell you that I need more to believe Ferelden's rise is going to occur anytime soon.

[DarkSpiral]

FreshIstay wrote...

Ferelden sits on the ocean, water border's Ferelden to the north and east. If you wondering what Water has to do with anything, Water brings in the ability to dock ships, which is good for trade. Ferelden boasts at least two  profitable ports. so it's Far from "out of the way".. if anything countries with no access to the ocean are at a disadvantage when It comes to trade. The Free Marches are considered "the bread basket of Thedas" and Ferelden is in prime geographical postion to do business.

Well...it is kind f just sitting there on the southeastern edge of the continent.  Ocean may border Ferelden on the east, but what's the nearest landmass to the eastern coast of Ferelden?  Does it wrap around at that point, adn we're looking at the western coast of Orlais?  Gwaern isn't known as a massive trade hub, afterall.  It produces lumber and fish, but that's about it.  With the Frostback ranges making land trade to Orlais (along with lingering predjudices?) less than ideal, those ports are probably the only relaible trade routes Ferelden has.  Sure there are merchants that cross the Frostbacks ANYWAY, but Orlais is the only landbound neighbor Ferelden has.  Unless you count the Dales, which I don't think we should, when speaking of trade.

[AlexanderCousland]

DarkSpiral wrote...

Military strength is only valid when used in the present tense.  Rome's history of military accomplishments were irrelevant when the end came; it no longer had that military strength. As Ferelden stands, given what information we have as to its current status in the world as of DA2, it isn't a major player.  That could change.  We could see it change in DA:I.  I'll even tenatively accept your quotation from the strategy guide as being evidence that the storytelles intend for it to change.  But it hasn't happened yet.

Fair Enough.  I wasnt trying to say Fereldan is in prime position takeover Thedas. I was just saying, simply put, "Fereldan does not consist of a bunch of slouches" when it comes to military strength, even with it's current state.

[Heimdall]

Nizaris1 wrote...America heavily active in war in past 100 years, still American army didn't loss, but become more powerful....

You fail at basic logic.  The U.S. military had plenty of casualties, they just recruit heavily and try to minimize losses.  They weren't at war 100% of the time, they had time to recoup losses and there was no loss to infrastructure.  Medieval armies didn't work the same way as modern ones Ferelden lost entire armies and spent large amounts of its military power fighting itself.  Large swathes of their own country are now barren and nigh unihabitable.  You are seriously going to tell me they lost no soldiers?

maybe you right, even so, when Ferelden i threatened, surely he will use every resource he can get, even the Grey Warden

I doubt he'd be able to do much, he isn't a commander or holds any high rank, not to mention the Orlesians don't like him.

in DA2 it is not the Chantry who block Alistair, but Meredith...even Meredith disrespect the Chantry doing everything on her own.

It was the chantry, how could Meredith block a circle in Ferelden?  They were arguing about it because she thought it was a bad idea, that's all

I don't know about Irving but Wayne is loyal to Cailan and respect him, after the Circle difficulties in which then solved by the Warden and Alistair, and Wayne who is their companion throughout the whole game, with Wayne influence, the King boon, or king order (if the Warden mage die) mages of Ferelden are loyal to the crown...furthermore blood mages and Uldred guys are no more

I assume you mean Wynne?  Mages of Ferelden are no more bound to be loyal than any other nation's mages.

They have to take side to protect interest, that is war...even in real world war...do you think my country didn't support USA invasion of Iraq? The people may not, but the government does, because the government have economic interest with USA (the largest investor here)...

So you agree with me?  The Dwarves will take no sides because they have economic interests in every nation.

nomad or not, when their land are invaded, they will fight and take side...see American history...French, British, Spanish...they all have Red Indian allies

Ferelden army is everyone in Ferelden.

They Dalish don't care if humans kill one another and I can't imagine much a Ferelden king could offer them that would interest them besides more land, which would just make the Ferelden's hate them more.  As for "their lands" you are forgetting that when the Dalish get the land boon it becomes theirs, not Ferelden's.  Invading Ferelden is not the same as invading Dalish land, they are separate, and they hate each other.  If they're still nomads, they woud probably leave the country to avoid the war.  Dalish wander Thedas wide.

You're wrong.  The Ferelden army is composed of Ferelden soldiers.  The Dalish and the Dwarves are not Ferelden, Ferelden has no way to make them fight for them.  They are reluctant allies at best and hostlile neighbors at worst.

Modifié par Lord Aesir, 09 décembre 2012 - 07:35 .

[AlexanderCousland]

Lord Aesir wrote...

Water is not in itself a deciding factor.  Traders have to have a reason to travel toFerelden. Nobody needs to travel through Ferelden to get anywhere else and being close  to the Free Marches is only useful if they have something to trade.  As they have no novel goods that the Marchers can't make themselves that we know of, I fail to see how that helps them a great deal.  Even if it did, most other nations have ports and are better located.

I suppose the mutiple  Merchant's and Mercenaries Qun, and Dwarves had no reason to Trade or Travel throughout  Fereldan lands, they werent getting any money. Somebody like you needs to tell those guys how to do busniess.

So...If nobody need's to travel through Ferelden, Orlais is really in a disadvantageous postion, because they need to travel through everywhere to get to everywhere, and they have enemies on both borders. If Fereldan and Nevarra ever joined forces... curtains for Orlais.

Conversely, Fereldan does not need to travel through anyone to get anywhere.


Just because you "dont know of" any novel goods, doesn't mean they dont have any, furthermore, since you've pointed that out, it's only fair that you point out "novel goods" that other nations have to trade with eachother.

"better located" for what?



 




 

 

[AlexanderCousland]

DarkSpiral wrote...


Well...it is kind f just sitting there on the southeastern edge of the continent.  Ocean may border Ferelden on the east, but what's the nearest landmass to the eastern coast of Ferelden?  Does it wrap around at that point, adn we're looking at the western coast of Orlais?  Gwaern isn't known as a massive trade hub, afterall.  It produces lumber and fish, but that's about it.  With the Frostback ranges making land trade to Orlais (along with lingering predjudices?) less than ideal, those ports are probably the only relaible trade routes Ferelden has.  Sure there are merchants that cross the Frostbacks ANYWAY, but Orlais is the only landbound neighbor Ferelden has.  Unless you count the Dales, which I don't think we should, when speaking of trade.

Your forgetting the Imperial Highway, my friend.

[Heimdall]

FreshIstay wrote...
I suppose the mutiple  Merchant's and Mercenaries Qun, and Dwarves had no reason to Trade or Travel throughout  Fereldan lands, they werent getting any money. Somebody like you needs to tell those guys how to do busniess.

Pardon me for speaking in hyperbole.  Of course there are traders.  There are always traders.  How many of them not from Ferelden? (genuinely wondering on that point).  Since the only merchants I recall are Ferelden, Ferelden surfacer dwarves, an Orlesian that fled her home country and an Antivan that's really just a front for the Crows.  Mercenaries work differently, they go where there're wars to fight, one good Ferelden has in great supply.

So...If nobody need's to travel through Ferelden, Orlais is really in a disadvantageous postion, because they need to travel through everywhere to get to everywhere, and they have enemies on both borders. If Fereldan and Nevarra ever joined forces...curtains for Orlais.

Check your maps, Val Royeaux  sits right on the Waking sea.  It's got plenty of sea access.

Just because you "dont know of" any novel goods, doesn't mean they dont have any, furthermore, since you've pointed that out, it's only fair that you point out "novel goods" that other nations have to trade with eachother.
"better located" for what?

Off the top of my head?  The nobles in Kirkwall and Ferelden brag from one end of the square of the other about their Orlesian silks.  Nevarra has that mineral rich land they fought over Orlais with.  The Free Marches are the Bread Basket of Thedas as you noted.  Rivain I don't know and Antiva's main industry seems to be piracy so that's out.  Tevinter probably produces more magical goods than other nations and other exotics, probably ivory, they have elephant cavalry according to the wiki.

Trade

Modifié par Lord Aesir, 09 décembre 2012 - 08:16 .

[Heimdall]

FreshIstay wrote...

DarkSpiral wrote...


Well...it is kind f just sitting there on the southeastern edge of the continent.  Ocean may border Ferelden on the east, but what's the nearest landmass to the eastern coast of Ferelden?  Does it wrap around at that point, adn we're looking at the western coast of Orlais?  Gwaern isn't known as a massive trade hub, afterall.  It produces lumber and fish, but that's about it.  With the Frostback ranges making land trade to Orlais (along with lingering predjudices?) less than ideal, those ports are probably the only relaible trade routes Ferelden has.  Sure there are merchants that cross the Frostbacks ANYWAY, but Orlais is the only landbound neighbor Ferelden has.  Unless you count the Dales, which I don't think we should, when speaking of trade.

Your forgetting the Imperial Highway, my friend.

where does that run anyway.  The map only labels the path between Ostagar and Lothering as the Imperial a highway but that seems wrong.

[Heimdall]

Just noting something I saw while perusing a map of Ferelden. The entrance to Orzammar appears to actually be in the northwestern pass between Orlais and Ferelden. So it actually isn't in Ferelden. The closest human settlement of any size is Jader, an Orlesian port.  Redcliffle is about twice the distance away.

Modifié par Lord Aesir, 09 décembre 2012 - 08:56 .

[DarkSpiral]

FreshIstay wrote...

Your forgetting the Imperial Highway, my friend.

*goes off to look at the map*

Ah, quite so.  I did indeed forget.  Looks like that's how Orzammar runs its good from the Gates to Orlais, over the Frostbacks.  And since we know the area aroudn the Gates *is* a center of trade, its not a stretch to think that Ferelden goods (Aesir has a point by the way, other countries specialty goods have been mentioned multiple times, we've never heard much about Ferelden exporting anything of note) go there in order to spread to the rest of Thedas.

Modifié par DarkSpiral, 09 décembre 2012 - 11:00 .

[DarkSpiral]

Lord Aesir wrote...
where does that run anyway.  The map only labels the path between Ostagar and Lothering as the Imperial a highway but that seems wrong.

I think, and this is totally a guess, that the cream colored road is ALL the imperial highway.  The name is repeated within the territory of Tevinter, Orlais, and even in the Free Marches (specifically it connects to Cumberland).  There isn't a single other path on the map with a name on it.  My guess is its very, very old.  Probably a remnant of the Tevinter Imperium, like Ostagar, rather than an Orlesian highway.

Modifié par DarkSpiral, 09 décembre 2012 - 11:07 .

[The Elder King]

FreshIstay wrote...

I certainly havent said Origins influences ALL of Thedas. It doesnt, but Origins does have influence on Thedas. Kirkwall certainly doesnt Influence ALL of Thedas either. I will say Fereldan will be the next superpower, and only because The Dev's have published material that says that. I dont think the Plot should revolve around solely Wardens or Darkspawn, but I would like them in my game (maybe as a joinable faction). I would like a game centered around Monarchy's and Civil War and an ability to influence Foreign Relation's and or become King/Queen.

My post was more about Nizaris than you.
Kirkwall doesn't influence all Thedas, indeed. It influences the Andrastian nations.
I don't  fully trust dev's materials, as I don't trust epilogue slides, because there are high chances that they could be changed if the changes fit the story they're going to write. Regardless, I wouldn't deny than in the future Ferelden will became the strongest Andrastian (unless an alliance of nations wipe out the qunari, I doubt that an Adrastian nation, alone, will become more powerful than the Qunari) nation. Though as it stands now, they're not as strong as other nations, though they're not as weak as Orlesian think. But it should be noted that they are recovering from the Blight, so it's not someting it would happen soon.
About the next DA's plot, my post was, again, meant to Nizaris, who said that the plot should be about the darskspawn and the warden.

[The Elder King]

[quote]Nizaris1 wrote...

America heavily active in war in past 100 years, still American army didn't loss, but become more powerful.... [/quote]

Amercia, fought wars in other countries, not in America. And they were already the superpower, with millions of soldiers. Ferelden isn't in the same situation, and lost an entire army at Ostagar, plus people in civil wars and in the other fights with the darskpawn.
If you think  that Ferelden didn't suffer heavy losses during the Blight, you're delusional.


[quote]maybe you right, even so, when Ferelden i threatened, surely he will use every resource he can get, even the Grey Warden[/quote]

Unless he'll became the WC, he doesn't have any rights to command the Wardens to go on war. And the Wardens would not involve themselves in a war between countries. They need to mantain (at least officially) good relationship with every countries, since they need their help in the Blights.


[quote]in DA2 it is not the Chantry who block Alistair, but Meredith...even Meredith disrespect the Chantry doing everything on her own.[/quote]

If Meredith disrespected the Chantry, she would've Annulled the Circle long time ago. She had a lot of respect about Elthina.
Regardless, the Chantry didn't allow Alistair to make the Circle of Ferelden indipendant, so I wouldn't say that they are allied. Plus, you're forgetting that the Chantry is a lot more involved with Orlais than Ferelden. If they're going to choose between Orlais and Ferelden, they're going to choose the former anytime.

[quote[I don't know about Irving but Wayne is loyal to Cailan and respect him, after the Circle difficulties in which then solved by the Warden and Alistair, and Wayne who is their companion throughout the whole game, with Wayne influence, the King boon, or king order (if the Warden mage die) mages of Ferelden are loyal to the crown...furthermore blood mages and Uldred guys are no more[/quote]

The mages are indipendant from the Chantry, and they're going to fight the templars. They don't have the time to help Alistair, and I doubt that Alistair is going to help mages in their war.


[quote]They have to take side to protect interest, that is war...even in real world war...do you think my country didn't support USA invasion of Iraq? The people may not, but the government does, because the government have economic interest with USA (the largest investor here)...[/quote]

What "war" are you talking about? Between Ferelden and an hypothetical enemy country? They didn't care when Orlais occupied Ferelden, I doubt they're going to care in the future.


[quote]nomad or not, when their land are invaded, they will fight and take side...see American history...French, British, Spanish...they all have Red Indian allies[/quote]

They don't have land, probably even with the dalish boon. Regardless, in the case they don't have the land, the dalish would not care much about humans wars. Other than the fact that you're assuming that a dalish clan is present in Ferelden during the war. There's not always a dalish clan in Ferelden.

[quote]Ferelden army is everyone in Ferelden.
[/quote]

Nope, Ferelden's army is the army of the Ferelden's kingdom. The dwarves, mages and dalish would fight with Ferelden if they form an alliance with them, and so far there's an alliance to fight together ONLY during the Blight, and it's not because of an alliance with Ferelden, but because they are forced by the treaties with the Wardens.

[Pzykozis]

FreshIstay wrote...

Pzykozis wrote...

FreshIstay wrote...

I certainly havent said Origins influences ALL of Thedas. It doesnt, but Origins does have influence on Thedas. Kirkwall certainly doesnt Influence ALL of Thedas either. I will say Fereldan will be the next superpower, 

That'd quite literally break all logic. Ferelden is in no position to become the superpower in Thedas. It has no real Economic, Trade, or Cultural value, it doesn't boast any particularly unique traits apart from it's political system which is both a hinderance and a benefit, it isn't technologically advanced, isn't renowned for anything other than mud and dogs, and isn't exactly a military powerhouse either, especially so after the whole southern part of the country being decimated and having bits uninhabitable, the blight killing off tons of its population and the decimation of two large forces of its soldiers.

I'd be baffled if Ferelden really moved up in the world and if it did the only way it'd make sense would be if all the other countries randomly imploded at the same time, and even then it'd probably be hard pushed.

How about  quote my post fully.

It's funny you left out this part:

The Dev's publishing material that says Fereldan is on its way to becoming a power on the continent.  The complete official Dragon Age 2 guide collector's edition in the Encyclopedia section with a detailed description on each nation say's Fereldan "is WELL on it's way to becoming a power on the continent".   If anyone's logic is going to be broken it's your's.

It's quite amusing that you'd question Ferelden's military prowess, considering they stopped a Blight before it could spread itself across the lands. Fereldan is the birthplace of Andraste, and the barbarian tribe's who marched on the Imperium. Is that renowned enough, or should I go further?  Economic's and Trade, How would YOU know?  Are you a Thedasian Economist? .

 You are probably just another one of those people who has been listening to Orlesian npc's and reading how other nation's view Fereldan therefore you have decided what foreigner's say must be true.  

I don't need to quote you fully, besides I don't care if jesus came down from heaven riding a blazing harley davidson and exlaimed it to be true, it's still be nonsensical without any showable reason, just saying Ferelden is gaining power, despite the fact it has no discernable reason is abit well silly, not to mention the whole oh no my country is now partially barren and infertile due to the blight however shall i support this standing army with the dead farmers with no farmable land, oh wait clearly this makes me more powerful as a country.  /tsar

Yes... amusing that it just lost three chunks of people one being left to be eaten wholesale by orcs another by them falling on their own swords and the final going to assault some orcs in the now burning shell of their capital city. Yes Andraste her import in the renown of Ferelden, like when Xerxes is renowned for Iran... oh wait, it all happened before Ferelden even existed not only that but her birthplace is a greeting card worthy event when all her celebration is centered in Orlais.

Economics, Ferelden should be bankrupt at this stage, literally struggling to pay anything. Not only is it recovering from the equivalent of a large scale nuclear assault on parts of its country, it should / would have commited large amounts of finance into the armies both at ostagar and during the civil war, and once again later with the assult on Denerim, it needs to repair and rebuild its infrastructure its capital city and also the arling of Ameranthine largely seemed to avoid the troubles in Origins is abit up the creek too after Awakening. things like the 1920s-30s and the 1950s spring to mind, bearing in mind that thus far Ferelden has seemingly not been a place of wealth.

Trade wise we've heard a few luxury goods within Thedas, cheeses from Orlais, leather from Antiva etc. Fereldens have dogs its one of the seemingly small number f things they're renowned for, unless something weird is going on it doesn't seem like they're exporting anything culinary (given the general mood about the food in Origins) aside from the fact that, that industry would've been decimated by the events anyway, and given the general comments in Origins by nobles in the market and the description of Fereldens they don't really export or deal with any luxury or exotic goods (or even import them given some comments).

I wouldn't know what orlesian Npcs you're talking about to be honest, this is just the way I see things given what we've been presented with thus far. If ferelden randomly discovers huge mineral tracts within its borders and begins to trade in gold and the like then fair enough but it's hardly fit right now to be an economic or military powerhouse, without breaking logic.