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[TEWR]

That's the point of Dragon Age Origins, not the point of the DA series itself.

[Thrillian]

@Nizaris
What you say may be true of Dragon Age: Origins, but it I
s not true of Dragon Age as a series.

[Bernhardtbr]

Not to mention the first one had a huge impact on the world.

I think the point is that without the Archdemon there really aren´t any powerful antagonists in the series. Maybe Morrigan´s child will someday be it, but for now...

[henkez3]

Nizaris1 wrote...

The point is, the core of DA story is like mentioned in the DA:O intro...

The question on why Mage vs Chantry/Templar conflict and everything. Without the Blight, there is no chance for Loghain to do what he do, no reason for Cailan asking Orleisian reinforcement, Howe have no opportunity to betray Cousland, Uldred will not become crazy, King Endrin maybe still alive, Qunari will not sent Sten into Ferelden and so on......

It is all because of "....Mages find a way into the Black City and tainting it, they are cursed and become the FIRST DARKSPAWN.....bla bla bla GREY WARDEN save the day...."

Mage-Templar conflict in DA2 is just the efefct of Blight...the core issue between the Chantry and Mages is because of that being mentioned in DA:O intro. That is the cause, the core story. the sentiment is driven from there...that the Mages are to be blamed for everything by the Chantry...but in DA2 it being mentioned in DLC!

So, don't say Grey warden, darkspawn, Archdemon and the Blight is "JUST A PART OF IT", it is the whole part of it.

DA:O is the 5th Blight, so....see....FIFTH BLIGHT....there was 4 times already in history...."just a part of it" eh?

Yes, five blights spread out over 1200 years, the various nations of Thedas have time to do stuff and fight over stuff inbetween blights. Look, I agree with you, the blights, darkspawn and the grey wardens ARE interesting, but they do not define the Dragon Age-series as a whole, it is your opinion that dragon age is only about and should only be about the blights and grey wardens. As it stand however, the writers had said that it isn't, regardless of what YOU might think.

It also happens to be that alot of players seem to agree that the series should not just be about the darkspawn and the grey wardens, although many, including me, would like to see them remain atleast some part of it.

[Heimdall]

Nizaris1 wrote...

@Lord Aesir

The core conflict between the Chantry and Mages is the Chantry claim Mages are responsible for bring Darkspawn into the world, THAT IS THE CORE problem between Chantry/Templar and Mages...the rest are just the effect and excuses

you see "Darkspawn" there...how come they toss it out and then make it into DLC?

You have obviously never read the codex or you're just being willfully delusional.  The Magisters of Tervinter ruled with a cruel iron fist for centuries, sacrificing hundred in blood magic rituals and enslaving thousands.  Darkspawn is only part of a long list of why the Chantry and the people have a problem with mages.  It is hardly the core problem.  The core problem is the fear that free mages will result in a second Tervinter Imperium and the Mage's belief that their treatment is unjust.

I don't consider DLC plots to be insignificant, though.

[Heimdall]

Nizaris1 wrote...

Because Dragon Age is about the bigger picture than just the "save the day from the ugly orc" kind of fantasy that many are used to. Dragon Age brings a spin to the mage issue that havn't been seen before, and bring a unique case of the Qunari into the mix aswell.

Mages in DA:O just a part of main quest and origin quest, then they are insignificant. You may choose Templars as your army, it is not a big deal. Once your Mage character become a Warden, he/she is known as Warden

The only Qunari in DA:O is Sten and some mercenaries. Sten is optional companion and those mercenaries are either just being there or optional quests.

The whole thing is about Grey Warden and Darkspawn...so NO, your reason is weak. DA is about fighting ugly "Orc"

Main conflict of Dragon Age: Origins =/= Core theme of the entire series.

[esper]

@Nizars1, you do realize that all of these people are retalling what is basically a myth, an allegori and in any case not absolutely truth, but a fairy tale they have been told for generations. You would get better off citing Corypheus, who after all was there, and how his words should be taken is still discussed on this forum.

[leminzplz]

I hope they do still do hold some importance; it felt as if there was a build-up of potential with the Architect and Corypheus stories.

[aries1001]

The question of whether or not there is a Maker is easily resolved Go play Hordes of the Underdark. Here you'll learn of a mage who went demi-lich and lives deep below.....and who abandoned his creations. And his name is --- the Maker...

More to the point re: da3 and the da universe:

If the black city already was black when the tevinter magisters got there, it does raise the question - has there ever been a Maker ? I'm not sure as of yet, but Andraste seems to have been real...

Modifié par aries1001, 30 novembre 2012 - 05:57 .

[ScotGaymer]

Dear god.

*headdesk repeatedly*

Nirzaris is now actually giving me a head ache. Right above my eyes.

It's like talking to a brick wall!

Look Nizaris, you are wrong. Factually, irrefutably, completely wrong. Thats all there is to it. No further discussion to be had since you are plainly not reading or paying attention to what people are telling you.

Taint Master - no it wasn't directed at you unless you think that your personal view of the universe trumps everyone elses view, and trumps what the devs say.

I did not misunderstand Nizaris comparison to Star Wars. Disagreeing does not make me an idiot who didn't understand, thank you very much.
I simply pointed out that the Wardens and Darkspawn are NOT and do NOT fufill the same role in the universe, or the stories that the Jedi vs Sith conflict filled in Star Wars.

Sorry for being a little abrupt here but I am getting massively frustrated by this comparison like it holds any ruddy relevance! It doesn't!

Modifié par FitScotGaymer, 30 novembre 2012 - 07:46 .

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

aries1001 wrote...

The question of whether or not there is a Maker is easily resolved Go play Hordes of the Underdark. Here you'll learn of a mage who went demi-lich and lives deep below.....and who abandoned his creations. And his name is --- the Maker...

You forgot the point where he was homicidally OCD. (How does that even work!?)

[Heimdall]

Nizaris1 wrote...

Just a part of or the main issue of everything in DA world?

*snip irrelevant pictures

Congratulations, you've proven that the darkspawn threat is important when their's a Blight going on, and nothing else.  The Blight made the darkspawn relevant but it was never the only major issue in Thedas.  Yes, they are an important part of the overall lore of the series but most of the things you bring up in these images are ancient history that just isn't very relevant unless old gods are rising from the depths.  There are other things going on in Thedas, some just as earth shattering and less stereotypical than orc-armies from the deep.  Mages are not hated solely for what a handful of magisters did way back when, though it doesn't help.  They are hated and feared because of their potential to turn into abominations and commit tyranical attrocities like Tervinter did and still does.

[Kileyan]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

I cannot say Darkspawn and the Blight is "just a part of it", it is the whole part in DA:O, the rest are just a part of it.

This is a contradictory statement. There is a lot going on in DAO. The Blight serves as a reason for you to go to all these different settings to experience them. Blights are not regularly occurring events.

Thats true, but it would have been just as easy or even logical to continue with the Blight story? Finally the Blight is defeated but the lore keepers of the Wardens propose something different this time. Their ancient texts show that a decline in the wardens is happening each cycle between the Blights. The next blight there may not be enough of the order left to defeat it.

In a controversial recruitment drive, the Wardens start building into a powerful army than could rival the power of kingdoms. All kinds of turmoil and political problems can ensue.

The Wardens are not building up power to take over Thedas, they are building up power to take the battle underground, exterminate the Darkspawn once and for all.

I think it is the logical progression of the wardens and the Blights. We are shown that they are becoming less relevant, and the people do not remember the blights much past a generation. THey were once shining knights on griffons, now they are an order of warriors who are consider leeches, who serve no purpose during peace time.

Who says they will even exist in any numbers for the next blight, so they take the battle to them now.

Whatever, I just find the Wardens and their troubles during peacetime, justifying their existance, as interesting as the mage war stuff.

[David Gaider]

Confusing question. "Are darkspawn still relevant?"

Sure-- to the setting. Not to the storyline we're currently pursuing, although they could by all means become more important again. If someone wants to maintain that they were important to Dragon Age: Origins and thus should remain the primary focus for every title that follows... well, okay, but if that's what we wanted to do we would probably have named the game something else more darkspawn-oriented.

DA was never planned as a single story arc or a trilogy on a single subject-- that was Mass Effect. We've never, ever stated this about DA. In fact, we've said the opposite. If that's what you want anyway, then good on ya... but that's not what we're doing.

[Foolsfolly]

David Gaider wrote...

Confusing question. "Are darkspawn still relevant?"

Sure-- to the setting. Not to the storyline we're currently pursuing, although they could by all means become more important again. If someone wants to maintain that they were important to Dragon Age: Origins and thus should remain the primary focus for every title that follows... well, okay, but if that's what we wanted to do we would probably have named the game something else more darkspawn-oriented.

DA was never planned as a single story arc or a trilogy on a single subject-- that was Mass Effect. We've never, ever stated this about DA. In fact, we've said the opposite. If that's what you want anyway, then good on ya... but that's not what we're doing.

B-but... I just put all the string up for my crazy conspiracy room. I was so close to proving Sandal as the Tevinter Magister that brought the darkspawn to our world and is behind all the bad things in the series so far.

....he's pretending to be a dwarf. He can do that.

[Kileyan]

David Gaider wrote...

Confusing question. "Are darkspawn still relevant?"

Sure-- to the setting. Not to the storyline we're currently pursuing, although they could by all means become more important again. If someone wants to maintain that they were important to Dragon Age: Origins and thus should remain the primary focus for every title that follows... well, okay, but if that's what we wanted to do we would probably have named the game something else more darkspawn-oriented.

DA was never planned as a single story arc or a trilogy on a single subject-- that was Mass Effect. We've never, ever stated this about DA. In fact, we've said the opposite. If that's what you want anyway, then good on ya... but that's not what we're doing.

I was just rambling about ways I thought the story could have continued with the Wardens. I like the idea of a dying order who might have to do things they dislike, in order to have their final last gasp at defeating the things that define their existance.

DA is kinda cool in that we get to play different character each game. It might just be the DA2 ending where no matter what I did I had to fight both sides anyway. I can't get all that interested in a story about either side of the battle, when I am coming off of a game where 40 hours of gameplay ended with you have to fight both sides anyway. I am a little leary of taking sides this time.

Modifié par Kileyan, 01 décembre 2012 - 01:50 .

[HTTP 404]

I wish darkspawn were the storyline. The mage vs templar story is looking more like a soap drama instead of "an adventure where a hero goes on a quest." Why can't we have that?

I am really not interested in this story even if it is told really well. I cannot sympathized for either side of this "conflict." Am I alone in this??

[Tasmen]

HTTP 404 wrote...

I wish darkspawn were the storyline. The mage vs templar story is looking more like a soap drama instead of "an adventure where a hero goes on a quest." Why can't we have that?

I am really not interested in this story even if it is told really well. I cannot sympathized for either side of this "conflict."

 

Soap drama? Hardly.  Part of the attraction of this particular type of story is the fact that there are many shades of grey on both sides.  There isn't one side that is completely right.  I much prefer stories like this to those that are quite so black and white as: SEE MONSTER MUST SLAY.

Am I alone in this??

Yes.

[David Gaider]

HTTP 404 wrote...
I wish darkspawn were the storyline. The mage vs templar story is looking more like a soap drama instead of "an adventure where a hero goes on a quest." Why can't we have that?

I am really not interested in this story even if it is told really well. I cannot sympathized for either side of this "conflict." Am I alone in this??

You don't even know what the story is, or how the conflict will play out, but you've already decided it's something you don't like and want something else instead?

Sure, we'll get right on that.

[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

HTTP 404 wrote...

Am I alone in this??

Yes.

[HTTP 404]

Tasmen wrote...

HTTP 404 wrote...

I wish darkspawn were the storyline. The mage vs templar story is looking more like a soap drama instead of "an adventure where a hero goes on a quest." Why can't we have that?

I am really not interested in this story even if it is told really well. I cannot sympathized for either side of this "conflict."

 

Soap drama? Hardly.  Part of the attraction of this particular type of story is the fact that there are many shades of grey on both sides.  There isn't one side that is completely right.  I much prefer stories like this to those that are quite so black and white as: SEE MONSTER MUST SLAY.

Am I alone in this??

Yes.

Thanks, since you represent everyone.

Also I am a fan of moral dilemmas and shades of gray that you speak about.  But these elements are not necessarily absent in epic stories and adventures.

I apologize for having an opinion.

Modifié par HTTP 404, 01 décembre 2012 - 02:02 .