Nizaris1 wrote...
Gorge Lucas didn't named his movie "The Jedi" or "The Sith", but the whole Star Wars from episode 1 to Episode 6 is about Jedi vs Sith.
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esper wrote...
@Nizars1, you do realize that all of these people are retalling what is basically a myth, an allegori and in any case not absolutely truth, but a fairy tale they have been told for generations. You would get better off citing Corypheus, who after all was there, and how his words should be taken is still discussed on this forum.
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addiction21 wrote...
Nizaris1 wrote...
Gorge Lucas didn't named his movie "The Jedi" or "The Sith", but the whole Star Wars from episode 1 to Episode 6 is about Jedi vs Sith.
No its about the Rise, fall, and eventual redemption of Anakin Skywalker thru his children. Jedi and Sith play their roles but are not the focus.
Modifié par Nizaris1, 01 décembre 2012 - 02:16 .
David Gaider wrote...
HTTP 404 wrote...
I wish darkspawn were the storyline. The mage vs templar story is looking more like a soap drama instead of "an adventure where a hero goes on a quest." Why can't we have that?
I am really not interested in this story even if it is told really well. I cannot sympathized for either side of this "conflict." Am I alone in this??
You don't even know what the story is, or how the conflict will play out, but you've already decided it's something you don't like and want something else instead?
Sure, we'll get right on that.
Modifié par HTTP 404, 01 décembre 2012 - 02:26 .
Fair enough, but our choices in DAO and DAA left some rather big loose ends pertaining to the Archdemon and Darkspawn respectively. From the sound of this post it will be years before we see any closure on those fronts (if ever). I'd be lying if I said I wasn't a little disappointed.David Gaider wrote...
Confusing question. "Are darkspawn still relevant?"
Sure--
to the setting. Not to the storyline we're currently pursuing, although they could by all means become more important again. If someone wants to maintain that they were important to Dragon Age: Origins and thus
should remain the primary focus for every title that follows... well, okay, but if that's what we wanted to do we would probably have named the game something else more darkspawn-oriented.
DA was never planned as a single story arc or a trilogy on a single subject-- that was Mass Effect. We've never, ever stated this about DA. In fact, we've said the opposite. If that's what you want anyway, then good on ya...
but that's not what we're doing.
Absolutely not. I'm not completely disinterested, but I found the Wardens more compelling personally.HTTP 404 wrote...
I am really not interested in this story even if it is told really well. I cannot sympathized for either side of this "conflict." Am I alone in this??
Modifié par Taint Master, 01 décembre 2012 - 02:28 .
HTTP 404 wrote...
David Gaider wrote...
HTTP 404 wrote...
I wish darkspawn were the storyline. The mage vs templar story is looking more like a soap drama instead of "an adventure where a hero goes on a quest." Why can't we have that?
I am really not interested in this story even if it is told really well. I cannot sympathized for either side of this "conflict." Am I alone in this??
You don't even know what the story is, or how the conflict will play out, but you've already decided it's something you don't like and want something else instead?
Sure, we'll get right on that.
actually, I don't want you to take any of our opinions. You should be locked in a room writing damnit!
Edit: also star wars is sith and jedi, not skywalker family show.
Modifié par Foolsfolly, 01 décembre 2012 - 02:33 .
LOL, is that what caused the prequels to suck so badly?Foolsfolly wrote...
Star Wars was about the hero's journey of Luke Skywalker. And then after
a mid-life crisis George decided it was all about Vader's journey
instead.
That Anakin was a Jedi and became a Sith, does not amke the Jedi vs. Sith conflict the main subject of the Star Wars series. Anakin Skywalker is the main subject of the series, despite what you think...Nizaris1 wrote...
addiction21 wrote...
Nizaris1 wrote...
Gorge Lucas didn't named his movie "The Jedi" or "The Sith", but the whole Star Wars from episode 1 to Episode 6 is about Jedi vs Sith.
No its about the Rise, fall, and eventual redemption of Anakin Skywalker thru his children. Jedi and Sith play their roles but are not the focus.
Ah yes....who is Anakin? A chef in a restaurant? Who is his son? A jobless street punk?
Both character are in Jedi and Sith prophecy
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EmperorSahlertz wrote...
That Anakin was a Jedi and became a Sith, does not amke the Jedi vs. Sith conflict the main subject of the Star Wars series. Anakin Skywalker is the main subject of the series, despite what you think...Nizaris1 wrote...
addiction21 wrote...
Nizaris1 wrote...
Gorge Lucas didn't named his movie "The Jedi" or "The Sith", but the whole Star Wars from episode 1 to Episode 6 is about Jedi vs Sith.
No its about the Rise, fall, and eventual redemption of Anakin Skywalker thru his children. Jedi and Sith play their roles but are not the focus.
Ah yes....who is Anakin? A chef in a restaurant? Who is his son? A jobless street punk?
Both character are in Jedi and Sith prophecy
Modifié par Nizaris1, 01 décembre 2012 - 03:15 .
EmperorSahlertz wrote...
That Anakin was a Jedi and became a Sith, does not amke the Jedi vs. Sith conflict the main subject of the Star Wars series. Anakin Skywalker is the main subject of the series, despite what you think...Nizaris1 wrote...
addiction21 wrote...
Nizaris1 wrote...
Gorge Lucas didn't named his movie "The Jedi" or "The Sith", but the whole Star Wars from episode 1 to Episode 6 is about Jedi vs Sith.
No its about the Rise, fall, and eventual redemption of Anakin Skywalker thru his children. Jedi and Sith play their roles but are not the focus.
Ah yes....who is Anakin? A chef in a restaurant? Who is his son? A jobless street punk?
Both character are in Jedi and Sith prophecy
Guest_Nizaris1_*
EmperorSahlertz wrote...
Jedi and Sith are still not the main focus of the plot....
EmperorSahlertz wrote...
Jedi and Sith are still not the main focus of the plot....
Guest_Nizaris1_*
Modifié par Nizaris1, 01 décembre 2012 - 03:17 .
HTTP 404 wrote...
EmperorSahlertz wrote...
Jedi and Sith are still not the main focus of the plot....
would you watch a star wars movie that had no jedi or sith or any Force?
addiction21 wrote...
HTTP 404 wrote...
EmperorSahlertz wrote...
Jedi and Sith are still not the main focus of the plot....
would you watch a star wars movie that had no jedi or sith or any Force?
Yes. I have also played games (Darl Forces and the X-wing tie fighter series) read books and comics that had no jedi or force.
Just like Dragon Age games or extraneous material that have little to no ties to the Darkspawn.
No one is disputing that darkspawn are a importent part to the universe. Just that they are the sole focus of everything and anything about the universe. Just like the Jedi and Sith are a importent part of that universe but it does not everything solely revolve around that one aspect.
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Yes. I have also played games (Darl Forces and the X-wing tie fighter series) read books and comics that had no jedi or force.
. Uh, all that means that there is a fifth Blight and some mages started the first 1200 years ago There is no logical reasoning here. You need to back up your claims instead of simply stating them. Prove that the ONLY reason there are tensions between the chantry and mages is the darkspawn. Because the lore of the series refutes this.Nizaris1 wrote...
"The First Darkspawn" was also "the first Magisters" as according to Alistair. it have been 4 Blights, DA:O is the fifth, meaning what? meaning all these time the tension between Mage and the Chantry is because of the Mages being blamed for bring Darkspawn into the world.
The Chantry has never claimed that all mages are touched by the Old Gods. You made that up. The fullness of your delusional conviction is revealed. There is no evidence of any such claim.Chantry claim that all Mages have "touched" by the Old Gods who teach them magic, and the Old Gods are the enemy of the Maker, and so the Mages are automatically the enemy of the Maker. That what they claim and that is the real issue.
Sure, but Blights usually take place centuries apart because the Darkspawn have to dig up an Old God first. So, yes people are less concerned about a threat they don't think will occur again in their lifetime. It makes sense.The one who fight Darkspawn all these time are Grey Wardens. After the 5th Blight suddenly Grey Warden and Darkspawn are not important anymore? (as in DA2)
There are thousands, or ten of thousands of Darkspawns, there can be a new Blight anytime
HTTP 404 wrote...
you bring up good points but I would argue those stories are spin offs to star wars. Also another argument I would make would be why make a change in focus from one story to the sequel. The theme is still prevalent throughout the X-wing series and the Dark Forces series. They don't change from one sequel to another. Once again bringing it back to Dragon Age, I feel that the theme changes from Da:O to Da:2. From blights and darkspawn to the Chantry and mages.
Nizaris1 wrote...
The only good Star Wars game are KotOR 1 and 2 and Jedi Academy...these have been waited for so long by fans. SWTOR is waited but have some issues...
addiction21 wrote...
Well first I would argue they were not themes. Just something relevant to the universe at hand. I would also argue that going from the first Dark Forces game where Kyle has nothing to do with being a force sensitve and is just a merc doing a job/ To in thye sewuel finding out his force ancestory and becoming a jedi/sith is a major change in themes.
I would argue they are seperate stories told in the universe the Star Wars movies established. DA:O did a good job at establishing that universe and made it very clear that Blights are a rare thing in that world and that the Grey Wardens involvment extend to the Darkspawn for the most part and they are not the only focus/theme in the game. Politics play a large role.
It also goes far outside the blight and Grew Wardens to establish the Chantry and the dangers of mages. Not to mention the templars and other things.
All I guess I am trying to say is that the darkspawn have their role in the universe (just like the force jedi or sith) but not everything has to revolve around just those aspects.
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Uh, all that means that there is a fifth Blight and some mages started the first 1200 years ago There is no logical reasoning here. You need to back up your claims instead of simply stating them. Prove that the ONLY reason there are tensions between the chantry and mages is the darkspawn. Because the lore of the series refutes this.
Guest_Nizaris1_*
Modifié par Nizaris1, 01 décembre 2012 - 06:02 .
HTTP 404 wrote...
When Kyle Katarn started his force training, that game was called Jedi Academy, it was no longer a Dark Forces game. It was a different game in play and in title.
Modifié par Icesong, 01 décembre 2012 - 05:56 .
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