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Icesong wrote...

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When Kyle Katarn started his force training, that game was called Jedi Academy, it was no longer a Dark Forces game.  It was a different game in play and in title.

Kyle started using a lightsaber in JK1(Dark Forces 2), and he really started his force training in Jedi Outcast. :PJKA was about Jaden Korr... and Rosh Penin.

my memory is pretty terrible.  I can't always be right like my peers here. haha.  Well I meant Jedi Outcast.  And I dont remember force use in Dark Forces 2 but then it still supports my theory about The Force and Jedi being a big part of the Star wars universe.  eh well.

[Icesong]

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Icesong wrote...

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When Kyle Katarn started his force training, that game was called Jedi Academy, it was no longer a Dark Forces game.  It was a different game in play and in title.

Kyle started using a lightsaber in JK1(Dark Forces 2), and he really started his force training in Jedi Outcast. :PJKA was about Jaden Korr... and Rosh Penin.

my memory is pretty terrible.  I can't always be right like my peers here. haha.  Well I meant Jedi Outcast.  And I dont remember force use in Dark Forces 2 but then it still supports my theory about The Force and Jedi being a big part of the Star wars universe.  eh well.

I'm sure I mostly remember because I still play JKA to this day. Star Wars definitely wouldn't be Star Wars without the Force. Even when enjoying something Star Wars that doesn't involve it, such as the upcoming Star Wars 1313 seemingly, the knowledge that the Force is out there in the universe is what enables my enjoyment.

Darkspawn aren't the same for me in DA. Grey Wardens, though, definitely. Darkspawn go along with them but I don't find them a worthy enemy. Hope they get more depth and some interesting motivations, if just because the Wardens will get more interesting as they do.

[Icesong]

Nizaris1 wrote...

If Grey Warden, Darkspawn, Archdemon (Old Gods) and the Blight is not what DA is all about, then DA have no core story at all...why bother?

No conclusion, never ending, no point, nothing and worthless...

What Dragon Age is all about? Nothing? Just bunch of stories?

Why do you say these things as if they're bad? No conclusion, never ending...sounds awesome. I wish they would do that. DA should and could be just about the world and what happens in it, continually being fleshed out. "A bunch of stories", as you call it.

Seems to me though that they are trying to weave some overall plot into DA. We just don't know what it is yet.

[Icesong]

Arabian Nights isn't a world though. You know what I mean? A world. Like LotR, TES, Star Wars or WC. No one cares about Arabian Nights beyond the stories. They read them, they enjoy it, they think about it for a couple of weeks at best and move on. Not something that lasts. People don't go to sleep thinking about the possibilities of what could happen in the Arabian Nights setting, and people don't spend time talking with other people about the politics and history of Arabian Nights.

Modifié par Icesong, 01 décembre 2012 - 07:40 .

[Icesong]

Yeah, with certain franchises it's about the world and the stories within.

TES revolving around the Dragonborn is news to me. I mean, it obviously doesn't. Do you even know about Godhead?

The thing that make Star Wars compelling as a world are Jedi and Sith(though I hope Sith also get a more compelling motivation), but there's a hell of a lot more going on than that. And either way, Jedi and Sith are never going to end.

Warcraft definitely isn't about the Lich King. He wasn't even around before the Third War and he's "dead" now. Sargeras and the Burning Legion are a better enemy to claim WC is about but even still WC as a world could survive without them.

People talk about Arabian Nights in literary classes and book studies. There aren't fans on forums right now discussing in depth the minutiae of the world like you'll find for any one of these worlds. Because there's not much to talk about after a certain point. It's not a world and it's not being developed. Even LotR suffers from the latter.

Modifié par Icesong, 01 décembre 2012 - 08:25 .

[TEWR]

Nizaris1 wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

Confusing question. "Are darkspawn still relevant?"

Sure-- to the setting. Not to the storyline we're currently pursuing, although they could by all means become more important again. If someone wants to maintain that they were important to Dragon Age: Origins and thus should remain the primary focus for every title that follows... well, okay, but if that's what we wanted to do we would probably have named the game something else more darkspawn-oriented.

Gorge Lucas didn't named his movie "The Jedi" or "The Sith", but the whole Star Wars from episode 1 to Episode 6 is about Jedi vs Sith.

Title doesn't mean anything. The game Resident Evil is about walking zombies that created from a virus. The game Unreal is about a prisoner escaped from a ship, then he/she become a Messiah of Napali people, fighting the Skaarj then escape the planet. Unreal 2 is about a Galactic Marshal doing his boring job but later involve in a conspiracy to destroy the universe, he going to stop it.

[sarcasm] This relates to DA sooooo much. [/sarcasm]

They are, from the begining to the end. because they represented The Force. They are the agent of The Force. Everything that happen in Star Wars is because of The Force.

Jedi and Sith both gurdian of either side of the Force, light or dark.

No.

The Jedi and the Sith are an integral part of the plot. They are not the main focus of the overarching story. The overarching tale is more about one man's rise to a position of importance, fall from grace, and eventual redemption.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 01 décembre 2012 - 08:21 .

[Icesong]

LotR is about Sauron and his ring.

Do you even know about The Silmarillion?

Modifié par Icesong, 01 décembre 2012 - 08:28 .

[Daerog]

Eh, ever since Mr. Gaider was hammering the thought of "Thedas is the main character" into the forums, I stopped thinking it was about any one person or concept and accepted it as a fictional history. I mean, I'm not the only one who actually reads real history books for the stories, right?

My guess is the next installment will be about another qunari invasion, or a war between Nevarra and Orlais. Then about hunting down an evil mage who discovered how to do blight magic from the journals of the old First Enchanter for Fereldan's Circle. Then a couple more down the road and eventually the next Blight... maybe...

[Urzon]

Nizaris1 wrote...

If Grey Warden, Darkspawn, Archdemon (Old Gods) and the Blight is not what DA is all about, then DA have no core story at all...why bother?

No conclusion, never ending, no point, nothing and worthless...

I guess you hated History class in school, because the history of a world (real or fiction) is exactly that.

No conclusion and never ending.

[Savber100]

I don't even... What part of "NOT EVERY DRAGON AGE WILL FOCUS ON DARKSPAWN VS WARDEN" do you not get?

We had ONE game and an expansion focused on a Blight. This does not mean that the series is ONLY going to be or should be about the darkspawns.

Dragon Age is about the World of Thedas.

What books or films have you read? Look at A Song of Ice and Fire where the conflict branches beyond Object 1 fights Object 2 and instead focuses on the world of Westoros. Look at Final Fantasy. Look at other series where the theme isn't defined by a singular conflict. 

Nizaris1 wrote...

So now it is about "the world" not the story...?

TES is always about Dragonborn. each TES may have different issue but in the end is about Dragonborn. War Craft is about Lich King,

...What? Are you guys reading this? Dude have you even played these games? 

Modifié par Savber100, 01 décembre 2012 - 11:39 .

[Heimdall]

Nizaris1 wrote...

I don't said anything, i said, Alistair said..."According to the Chant of Light...blah blah blah", do i say the fifth Blight is happening because some mages make it so?

  Then what does the Fifth Blight have to do with it and why do you keep brining it up.  Mages have nothing to do with the Blight.

those "mages" are a persons who Old Gods whisper to them, learning magic from the Old Gods.

False, false and false.  You seem to have a deep misunderstanding of Dragon Age lore.  There were mages long before Old Gods entered the picture.  The Old Gods did not make them Mages.  Yes, Tervinter Magisters worshipped the Old Gods and the Old Gods led to them enter the Golden City, but the Old Gods did not create Mages.

The Old Gods are enemy of the Maker because they tricking mankind to worship them, meaning not worship the maker. Those who learn magic from the Old Gods become the Magister of Tevinter empire, using their power to enter the Golden City and tainted it, then they become the FIRST DARKSPAWN...that according to the Chant of Light, that is the Chantry teaching, it being repeated over and over since the intro throughout the game

I am not English speaking but i understand that clearly.

What you don't seem to understand is that it is irrelevant.  Nobody is disputing that this is true.  You have just gotten the baseless assumption into your head that somehow this is the root cause of everything.  Prove it.

The first Blight happened when? AFTER Tevinter Empirium existence because those person who become the first magisters and also the first darkspawn. That according to the Chantry..The rest about Blood Magic, abomination and so on are just excuses to strengthen their dogma and hatred

Once again, this is a baseless claim.  Prove it.  The Magisters were hated by all long before the First Blight, which occured during not after the Imperium.

[Heimdall]

Icesong wrote...

LotR is about Sauron and his ring.

Do you even know about The Silmarillion?

I doubt it.

[Heimdall]

Nizaris1 wrote...

Q: What Star wars is about?
A : it is about the battle between light and dark Forces, represented by Jedi and Sith, it involve in galactic politic, in the end the messiah bring balance to the Force

Core aspect of the universe does not mean that it is the only improtant aspect.  One of the joys of a great setting is that it has many stories to tell.

Q; What LotR is about?
A : It is about an ancient evil creating rings, given to leaders of the world, corrupting them, one ring rule over the others, the ring must be destroyed, in the end, it is destroyed

For the love of Tolkein, look up Silmarilion.  The Lord of the Rings is a rather small piece and Sauron is only the number two to the true evil.

Q: What TES is about?
A: TES is about leaders of Imperial power who have dragon blood, they who defend the world from all evil.

...How many of these games have you actually played?

Q : What Dragon Age is all about?
A : I don't know...

That's apparent.

[Heimdall]

Nizaris1 wrote...

False, false and false. You seem to have a deep misunderstanding of Dragon Age lore. There were mages long before Old Gods entered the picture. The Old Gods did not make them Mages. Yes, Tervinter Magisters worshipped the Old Gods and the Old Gods led to them enter the Golden City, but the Old Gods did not create Mages.

This?

They taught them spells and blood magic you dolt.  Mages are born, you have to be born with the ability to use magic before someone can teach you anything.  The lore proves your interpretation wrong.  Besides, it claims this is only true for the first magisters, so what you said earlier about all Mages being those that the Old Gods whispered to is wrong.  Besides, the elves had magic long ago even before the Imperium, clearly Mages did not originate from the Old Gods.

You'll need more substantial proof than that.

Modifié par Lord Aesir, 01 décembre 2012 - 01:04 .

[Heimdall]

Nizaris1 wrote...

They taught them spells and blood magic you dolt. Mages are born, you have to be born with the ability to use magic before someone can teach you anything.

No, not Blood Magic, but MAGIC. That is Chantry belief, that all Mages are evil, touched by the Old Gods.

That is the issue.

False, the Chantry belief arises from this part of their holy doctrine from Andraste herself

"Magic should serve man and never rule over him"  There's a reason this is quoted in the Mage Origin intro in DA:O.

All of their policies are based on this statement, meaning that the issue the Chantry has with Mages began with the abuses of the Imperium, of which the Darkspawn are only one on a long list.  The chantry does not think all mages are touched by the Old Gods or even that they are all evil, even the quote you showed me said this was only true of the Magisters.

"Blood Magic" is just ONE OF the Magic, and it is loooooooooong after the first Blight, loooooooooong after the First Darkspawn.

You show your ignorance.  Blood magic was used to fuel the ritual that allowed the Magisters to cross the Veil in the first place, thousands and thousands of slaves were sacrificed to provide the magical power along with a third of the Imperium's lyrium.  The first Magister claimed to have learned blood magic from Dumat, this was the founding of the Imperium, over a thousand years before the First Blight.

The world is in a brink of destruction, then suddenly, mysteriously, the first Grey Warden come out and save the day. the Chantry exist loooooooooong after this event. Andraste existed loooooooooong after this event.

To the first point, it wasn't mysterious, the first Wardens were veteran soldiers that had fought the Blight for many years and founded the order to combat it.  It took them a century to do it, so it was hardly sudden.  To the second point, how is that relevant?  Andraste actually began her crusade only about twenty years after the First Blight anyway, so no it was not long after.

So, the tension between Mages and Templar is because of the Chantry dogma. They believe that. I don't say it is the truth, but that is the main issue.

The current tensions are arising entirely because of the treatment of mages by the Chantry.  The Mages believe they are being too harsh and the Templars believe the opposite.  The Templars are motivated by dogma, but not the part you think.

Modifié par Lord Aesir, 01 décembre 2012 - 03:44 .

[ScotGaymer]

Is there any point in continuing this arguement with Nizaris guys?

He/she is completely unwilling to consider or acceed to any view point besides his/her own. He/she even had the presumption to argue with DAVID GAIDER the man that is pretty much the creator of Dragon Age (if anyone could be said to be the creator of it that is) on what Dragon Age is and should be about.

The arrogance is breathtaking in its stupidity.

Been trying to discuss with that one since page, what 3? 4? And he/she is still arguing and belabouring a point where he/she is simply and fundamentally wrong.

[Bernhardtbr]

Just a question on the time line.

How long after the mages went to the Golden City the Blight began? I mean, since probably not many mages went there, it took time to get numbers for a Blight, I´d presume.

Also, I think people have their definitions of how important Blights are, nizaris think they are very important, other people not as much. Everyone can have their opinions on the lore. It´s like arguing if World War 2 is still important nowadays or not - there are arguments to both sides. Through by now it´s obvious they aren´t supposed to be that important, looking at the path the series is going.

Modifié par Bernhardtbr, 01 décembre 2012 - 05:47 .

[Icesong]

Nizaris1 wrote...

Q: What Star wars is about?
A : it is about the battle between light and dark Forces, represented by Jedi and Sith, it involve in galactic politic, in the end the messiah bring balance to the Force

Q; What LotR is about?
A : It is about an ancient evil creating rings, given to leaders of the world, corrupting them, one ring rule over the others, the ring must be destroyed, in the end, it is destroyed

Q: What TES is about?
A: TES is about leaders of Imperial power who have dragon blood, they who defend the world from all evil.

Q : What Dragon Age is all about?
A : I don't know...

With the exception of TES, which is completely wrong and you need to replay those games(did you even read The Book of the Dragonborn, the first book you come across in the Skyrim tutorial?), you're just describing a single story within those worlds. If you want to know what Dragon Age is about while making such a comparison, then go look up a synopsis of each individual game.

He/she is completely unwilling to consider or acceed to any view point besides his/her own. He/she even had the presumption to argue with DAVID GAIDER the man that is pretty much the creator of Dragon Age (if anyone could be said to be the creator of it that is) on what Dragon Age is and should be about.

The arrogance is breathtaking in its stupidity.

I'd argue with George Lucas what Star Wars is about tiill the end of time.

Modifié par Icesong, 01 décembre 2012 - 06:36 .

[Exile Isan]

I see the the world of Thedas being a lot like the world of Toril in The Forgotten Realms. Toril has no true "x vs y" theme, but it rather a place for several different stories to take place in the same world with different themes. Where you have things like the Cult of the Dragon or the Zents or just a single man like Jon Irenicus as enemies. Thedas is a little more restricted than Toril is, as far as lore is concerned (but that may just be because of age, The Realms is a lot older than Dragon Age), but their lack of a central theme/enemy is the same.