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[pierre0300]

 Hi everybody, so what do you think?

Paladin looks better : higher DPS, lighter. Is it worth taking the Saber?

[Storm-Reaver]

90% AP

[Doommarine23]

More ammo, more accurate, more shots in the magazine while doing similar amounts of damage, so while DPS might be slightly lower, my damage per magazine is better, which honestly the ROF of these guns is like a different of 20. So I think the saber wins in total damage.

[Grunt_Platform]

Much much more ammo, more damage per shot, and generally better synergy with Turian Soldier and the Ghost Infiltrator.

[PR PistonRage]

Personal choice.

[HolyAvenger]

So I don't have to keep running to ammo boxes. Dat sound. Damage boost from TGI cloak.

[pierre0300]

Storm-Reaver wrote...

90% AP

Ok so the only advantage of the Saber kills my cooldowns.

Heavy pistols have their barrel with 40% damage, isn't it better? and cooldowns are not too bad with it on paladin.

[Chealec]

Warfighter Gear

[joker_jack]

pierre0300 wrote...

Storm-Reaver wrote...

90% AP

Ok so the only advantage of the Saber kills my cooldowns.

Heavy pistols have their barrel with 40% damage, isn't it better? and cooldowns are not too bad with it on paladin.

There are more that you didn't read.

[Doommarine23]

pierre0300 wrote...

Storm-Reaver wrote...

90% AP

Ok so the only advantage of the Saber kills my cooldowns.

Heavy pistols have their barrel with 40% damage, isn't it better? and cooldowns are not too bad with it on paladin.

You know the guns would weigh really similar with that heavy barrel on, right?

It really comes down to the Saber being the Paladin in rifle form.

Modifié par Doommarine23, 26 novembre 2012 - 01:22 .

[pierre0300]

Ok but i dont camp ammo is not a problem when you run around a map. But you're right for the TGI's cloak.

But still, i think it should have a 3x HS bonus.

[redneck nosferatu]

* Larger clip size (8 versus 3, and even more with a clip mod), which synergizes well with Adrenaline Rush or Marksman
* The Turian Ghost's AR damage bonus evolution for Tactical Cloak, which functionally turns it into an ironsight sniper rifle

I can understand someone prefering the Paladin, though.

I wish AR's had some sort of inherent bonus that gave them an advantage over pistols, like range or stability, that is offset by the existing weight mechanic. But at this point it's really not a problem to take a decent-level Paladin or Crusader and fill the exact same role as the Saber.

Modifié par redneck nosferatu, 26 novembre 2012 - 01:26 .

[IllusiveManJr]

I've had a Saber X for awhile and felt more comfortable using it over my (then) Paladin I. I've gotten three upgrades for it in the last two weeks. Started using it a little more.

[Doommarine23]

pierre0300 wrote...

Ok but i dont camp ammo is not a problem when you run around a map. But you're right for the TGI's cloak.

But still, i think it should have a 3x HS bonus.

The gun does the same (actually slighty more) damage than the Paladin, has more ammo in both spares and magazine, it's more accurate and it's only down-sides being ROF (80 vs 100, but it has a re-fire time I believe) and weight. (Which using the heavy barrel you mentioned, makes the paladin weigh almost as much).

So basically, rifle paladin.

[Uberschveinen]

Storm-Reaver wrote...

90% AP

AP doesn't mean a good goddamn on single-shot guns. The fixation on the stuff on every gun ever is beyond me.

Platinum Armor DR is, what, -50 to damage? And your Saber should be doing at least 500. If you have any weapon damage buffs, a lot more. And you do. Every class in the game is toting around 40% at the minimum, and the bigs ones over 100%.

So 90% AP  means that a Saber shot on armor does 495 instead of 450. Less than 10% extra damage. Only against armor. Compared to an Extended Barrel, that's less than half the extra damage. In the situation most favourable to the piercing, it's objectively worse than the EB to the point of absurdity.

In fact, AP is always worse than the Barrel on any gun that does less than 180 damage per shot. And even when that condition applies, it's not objectively better.

So why are so many people so fixated on AP values?

[Zancloufer]

Turrian Ghost Infiltrator.

Paladin doesn't get that multiplier on TC for it, Saber does. Also more ammo doesn't hurt either.

[Doommarine23]

theillusiveman11 wrote...

I've had a Saber X for awhile and felt more comfortable using it over my (then) Paladin I. I've gotten three upgrades for it in the last two weeks. Started using it a little more.

Your Saber is better than the Paladain completely. So you may as well not bother.

[pierre0300]

redneck nosferatu wrote...

* Larger clip size (8 versus 3, and even with a clip mod), which synergizes well with Adrenaline Rush or Marksman
* The Turian Ghost's AR damage bonus evolution for Tactical Cloak, which functionally turns it into an ironsight sniper rifle

I can understand someone prefering the Paladin, though.

I wish AR's had some sort of inherent bonus that gave them an advantage over pistols, like range or stability, that is offset by the existing weight mechanic. But at this point it's really not a problem to take a decent-level Paladin or Crusader and fill the exact same role as the Saber.

Yeah there should be more diffenrences between these two weapons.
So Saber because of ammo, TGI's cloak, gears.
Paladin : much lighter (still lighter with pistols heavy barrel), more damages.

[HolyAvenger]

Basically two on par ultra-rares, will come down to what you prefer with your play style. I hate humping ammo boxes (almost never rock the Harrier) so will always go with the Saber.

[IndigoVitare]

Because I find the Paladin completely unusable.

I don't know why, I just can't stand it.

Another reason would probably be sustained fire. The Paladin has to be reloaded constantly, but the Saber just keeps on going.

[Doommarine23]

pierre0300 wrote...

redneck nosferatu wrote...

* Larger clip size (8 versus 3, and even with a clip mod), which synergizes well with Adrenaline Rush or Marksman
* The Turian Ghost's AR damage bonus evolution for Tactical Cloak, which functionally turns it into an ironsight sniper rifle

I can understand someone prefering the Paladin, though.

I wish AR's had some sort of inherent bonus that gave them an advantage over pistols, like range or stability, that is offset by the existing weight mechanic. But at this point it's really not a problem to take a decent-level Paladin or Crusader and fill the exact same role as the Saber.

Yeah there should be more diffenrences between these two weapons.
So Saber because of ammo, TGI's cloak, gears.
Paladin : much lighter (still lighter with pistols heavy barrel), more damages.

The gun doesn't have more "damages". It does almost the same and just has a higher DPS due to being faster.
But the Saber does more per shot and does more per magazine. Which is still notable.

[Samerandomscreennameidontcareabout]

pierre0300 wrote...

 Hi everybody, so what do you think?

Paladin looks better : higher DPS, lighter. Is it worth taking the Saber?

Sabre: more ammo, more spare ammo, kickass looks and sounds ( most important! ), more accurate.

[pierre0300]

IndigoVitare wrote...

Because I find the Paladin completely unusable.

I don't know why, I just can't stand it.

Another reason would probably be sustained fire. The Paladin has to be reloaded constantly, but the Saber just keeps on going.

Yeah but Paladin's DPS is still better than Saber's one. I saw that form the weapons stats sheet.

[GallowsPole]

Personally, until the challenges, I didn't care for the Saber. Changed my mind when I got a 20 headshot medal the other day with it. Since I've done the same with the Paladin, I prefer it on my casters as opposed to an AR or Shotty. Been trying out the Saber this weekend on the Vorcha's/TGI/Batarians this weekend. Pleasantly surprised.

[joker_jack]

HolyAvenger wrote...

Basically two on par ultra-rares, will come down to what you prefer with your play style. I hate humping ammo boxes (almost never rock the Harrier) so will always go with the Saber.

One side note. That right there is why I love my ppr x. Just cut the middle man out all together.