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[Bhatair]

Doommarine23 wrote...

More ammo, more accurate, more shots in the magazine while doing similar amounts of damage, so while DPS might be slightly lower, my damage per magazine is better, which honestly the ROF of these guns is like a different of 20. So I think the saber wins in total damage.

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[capn233]

OniGanon wrote...

Why are people bringing up AP? Extended Barrel adds more damage vs Armor than 100% AP when damage  per bullet is >200. You should not be taking AP mods on these guns...

Dunno.

But then again if you put AR Piercing and AR HVB on it and use a GE you can have some fun.

[Boog_89]

Bigger clip, firing it sounds so much more sexual than the paladin.

[Battlepope190]

Shawn22OS wrote...

Battlepope190 wrote...

Paladin is an inaccurate piece of crap.

. Can be used at any range, has no recoil. Only donwside is the low ammo count. You couldn't be more wrong about it not being accurate. 

I've given that junk heap more than a fair chance and I can't stand it. I'd take the Carnifex over it every single day.

[Miniditka77]

pierre0300 wrote...

I have to agree with people saying saber's sound is great. Ok then i still think Paladin is better but i love Saber so ill just keep taking it.

What you should do is not worry about theoretical maximum DPS (especially when there is so little difference), and not use one over the other just because someone else likes it better.  Use them both, and figure out which one works better for you.  It may be different for different playstyles.  You can't go wrong either way for the most part, because they're both great guns (unless you're using the Paladin on the Ghost that is).

[Grinch57]

I am a big fan of both. Rock the Saber with those characters that can handle the weight. Use the Paladin on those characters that need a "pocket" Saber that doesn't wreck CD bonus. Headshot everything. With the challenges, I probably play them less than I used to, but once a pistol or AR challenge is complete, really have fun rolling out these two (not at the same time) and popping heads.

[Mahrac]

 The Saber sounds and feels like I'm injecting the enemy with a round insted of just hitting them.

I also like the larger clip.

[DeadeyeCYclops]

so, in essence you are asking why somone would prefer the possibilty of 8 headshots b4 a reload, to 3 headshots b4 a reload? ... hrrmmmm i wonder

and yeah dat sound... the saber excites me 

Modifié par DeadeyeCYclops78, 26 novembre 2012 - 05:47 .

[UKStory135]

OniGanon wrote...

The Paladin and Saber do extremely similar base damage per shot, with similar accuracy.

The Paladin shoots faster, but the Saber has more shots in the clip. This makes these guns pretty much even in terms of DPS overall.

The Paladin also weighs a heck of a lot less.

The Paladin, though, has access to the Pistol Heavy Barrel, allowing it to get higher damage and DPS than the Saber. It also has access to ULM, so it equippable on a hell of a lot more classes than Saber. (Note: these two mods shouldn't be used together on this gun though!)

So unless you're on a TGI with the AR specific damage boost, or you're on a class with a temporary boost like Adrenaline Rush or Marksman to take advantage of the Saber's higher clip, there isn't really any reason to take Saber over a similar level Paladin except aesthetics.
Hell if your Saber is low level, you might be better off with Carnifex X + HB + Clip

Actually at level X, the DPS for a Carnifex + Scope + Heavy Barrel = 568.  For the Saber X w/ Scope + EB it's 554, and the Carnifex is still lighter. I don't think that the Saber is a bad gun, it's not, but it is a distant 4th when it comes to the UR Assault Rifles.

[Randomical]

I have the Paladin and the Saber both at V, and Paladin wins every time unless I play as a turian. So... That's it

[pierre0300]

Yeah ill take Saber for the ghost and Paladin for casters, love it on a justicar.

[upinya slayin]

pierre0300 wrote...

 Hi everybody, so what do you think?

Paladin looks better : higher DPS, lighter. Is it worth taking the Saber?

the short answer is the saber has a higher clip and an AP mod thats better.

the long answer si why use only the ebst of eevryhting. variety is better

[NikkoJT]

Sabre: headshot spam, BLAM-whirr
Paladin: three shots (better hope you don't miss..), flat "plunk".

Also, the Sabre looks kickass.

[NoReapers]

Turian Ghost Infiltrator

[Janus382]

Dat sound!  The Saber has the best feel in the game because of it.

Plus magazine size, AR bonues, blah blah...

[UEG Donkey]

idk if anyone has mentioned this but you stun shielded mooks like Centurions and Marauders they get stun locked, and then die from another shock or a blast from overload.

[SlabHardcheese]

I'll have to give the paladin another try. I've generally preferred the carnifex because of the larger clip in spite of the damage difference. I don't like having to reload before something goes down if I don't have to. But the saber just sounds like it's 20 times more powerful. Try it with Cryo IV ammo . I love rocking the saber on heavier classes, but maybe I'm just sold on the sounds.

[billpickles]

pierre0300 wrote...

redneck nosferatu wrote...

* Larger clip size (8 versus 3, and even with a clip mod), which synergizes well with Adrenaline Rush or Marksman
* The Turian Ghost's AR damage bonus evolution for Tactical Cloak, which functionally turns it into an ironsight sniper rifle

I can understand someone prefering the Paladin, though.

I wish AR's had some sort of inherent bonus that gave them an advantage over pistols, like range or stability, that is offset by the existing weight mechanic. But at this point it's really not a problem to take a decent-level Paladin or Crusader and fill the exact same role as the Saber.

Yeah there should be more diffenrences between these two weapons.
So Saber because of ammo, TGI's cloak, gears.
Paladin : much lighter (still lighter with pistols heavy barrel), more damages.

Seems like your arguments in favor of the Paladin keep coming back to weight.  And if you're using caster-classes, that's probably true.  On the TGI or almost any Soldier class, the weight is far less important, which puts the Saber ahead.  So it really just comes down to play style.

For me, the 3-shot mag drives me crazy (even 5 with the mod ain't that great), and the Saber is AWESOME with Turian stability bonuses (even before the TGI cloak bonus).  But if I was playing an Adept, then sure, the Paladin would probably be a better choice.

So yeah, they have some similarities, but there's enough of a difference for them to fill different niches...

Modifié par billpickles, 26 novembre 2012 - 07:23 .

[stefbomb]

Please keep in mind that the weight-adding mods are bugged so they don't add actually weight to either of these weapons assuming you don't have ULM on anywhere. For example you can take the Pistol Heavy Barrel on the Paladin without any penalty.

[UKStory135]

billpickles wrote...

pierre0300 wrote...

redneck nosferatu wrote...

* Larger clip size (8 versus 3, and even with a clip mod), which synergizes well with Adrenaline Rush or Marksman
* The Turian Ghost's AR damage bonus evolution for Tactical Cloak, which functionally turns it into an ironsight sniper rifle

I can understand someone prefering the Paladin, though.

I wish AR's had some sort of inherent bonus that gave them an advantage over pistols, like range or stability, that is offset by the existing weight mechanic. But at this point it's really not a problem to take a decent-level Paladin or Crusader and fill the exact same role as the Saber.

Yeah there should be more diffenrences between these two weapons.
So Saber because of ammo, TGI's cloak, gears.
Paladin : much lighter (still lighter with pistols heavy barrel), more damages.

Seems like your arguments in favor of the Paladin keep coming back to weight.  And if you're using caster-classes, that's probably true.  On the TGI or almost any Soldier class, the weight is far less important, which puts the Saber ahead.  So it really just comes down to play style.

For me, the 3-shot mag drives me crazy (even 5 with the mod ain't that great), and the Saber is AWESOME with Turian stability bonuses (even before the TGI cloak bonus).  But if I was playing an Adept, then sure, the Paladin would probably be a better choice.

So yeah, they have some similarities, but there's enough of a difference for them to fill different niches...

Even if they weighed the same, the Paladin (and the Carnifex) is better than the Saber in most situations. The Paladin with Heavy Barrel has a 22% DPS advantage over the Saber with Extended Barrel.  BTW, Sustained DPS takes both clip size and reload speed into accout, so "It has a bigger clip" is only a valid argument if you really hate reloading. 

[NuclearTech76]

The saber has the sexiest sound in multiplayer.

[Flambrose]

UKStory135 wrote...

OniGanon wrote...

The Paladin and Saber do extremely similar base damage per shot, with similar accuracy.

The Paladin shoots faster, but the Saber has more shots in the clip. This makes these guns pretty much even in terms of DPS overall.

The Paladin also weighs a heck of a lot less.

The Paladin, though, has access to the Pistol Heavy Barrel, allowing it to get higher damage and DPS than the Saber. It also has access to ULM, so it equippable on a hell of a lot more classes than Saber. (Note: these two mods shouldn't be used together on this gun though!)

So unless you're on a TGI with the AR specific damage boost, or you're on a class with a temporary boost like Adrenaline Rush or Marksman to take advantage of the Saber's higher clip, there isn't really any reason to take Saber over a similar level Paladin except aesthetics.
Hell if your Saber is low level, you might be better off with Carnifex X + HB + Clip

Actually at level X, the DPS for a Carnifex + Scope + Heavy Barrel = 568.  For the Saber X w/ Scope + EB it's 554, and the Carnifex is still lighter. I don't think that the Saber is a bad gun, it's not, but it is a distant 4th when it comes to the UR Assault Rifles.

If you guys are going to theorycraft, at least do it right. Saber has a higher base damage value than Carnifex, and all of your weapon damage bonuses will give it a bigger boost than a Carnifex. This includes amps, ammo, powers, and your passive.

On the topic of Saber vs Paladin, Paladin only has higher DPS until it needs to reload. While Paladin is reloading, Saber is still pumping out shots. They're similar guns in terms of power, but the magazine size is a selling point.

[Malanek]

My Saber I kills better than my Paladin IV.

[whateverman7]

choice

edit: .just realized: this is another 'play the game by spreadsheet info' thread, so nevermind

Modifié par whateverman7, 26 novembre 2012 - 08:25 .

[Clearly Balkan]

You ask silly almost dumb questions OP.

If you can't see a difference/superiority in almost every aspect of Saber over the Paladin, well then you have serious problems.