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What is the point of playing with the Saber when you have a Paladin?


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Eric Fagnan wrote...

The Saber is a really decent weapon, but it has the lowest sustained DPS of the ultra rare assault rifles and its DPS is comparable to the Paladin, which is half its weight.


Hijack, but I have to ask. Why do you hate krogan?

Is there any remote chance we can see the Krogan soldier, sentinel and adept given the ridiculous 50% bonus modifier that kits like the destroyer, asari kits (lawl) and the geth kits get versus defences when using their heavy melee?

Seems ridiculous that a destroyer gets 50% extra melee damage versus S/B/A, when the krogan only do regular damage versus shields and barriers and actually do reduced damage with their heavy melee versus armour.

It strikes me as ridiculous, that a GI gets to be a better melee combatant than a krogan sentinel....

It strikes me as ridiculous that a destroyer stamping his foot like a child taking a tantrum nets him 50% more damage versus armour, when a 1000kg krogan smashing bodily into said armour actually loses 25% damage.

Do you think a GI being able to 1hk 3 pyros with his heavy melee in the blink of an eye is balanced, when a krogan would have to take 6 heavy melee's to do the same....?

Modifié par Annomander, 26 novembre 2012 - 10:57 .


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pierre0300

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Cant't wait for the buff :D

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xxprokillazxx

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Because the saber makes a cooler noise

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Flambrose wrote...

UKStory135 wrote...

Flambrose wrote...

whateverman7 wrote...

choice

edit: .just realized: this is another 'play the game by spreadsheet info' thread, so nevermind


Nothing wrong with using spreadsheet info to make decisions. Using the information incorrectly is the problem.


You need to learn how DPS is calculated before you call people out for using it incorrectly.


Yes, and as you've pointed out above there's burst DPS and sustained DPS (let's ignore non-reload cancel for this). Paladin has higher DPS on both fronts, but Saber's burst DPS continues until you empty the clip (that is the definition of burst DPS) and have to reload. Saber will have better DPS until it needs to reload (Saber's burst > Paladin's sustained), assuming Paladin doesn't get the job in one clip. Realistically, not much is going to survive 8 shots of Saber. Paladin's superior sustained DPS only really comes in against bullet sponges, and against them Saber still has an ammo advantage.

You're only citing one or two stats to make a point, but you're not applying it to the game.


Yes, but you are also exposed for a full 6 seconds. The quick reload time and faster fire rate make the guns actually put out bullets at nearly the same rate.  I find the Saber to be very underwhelming for both it's weight and UR status. For almost any situation, except for a Ghost sniper, there is a better choice than the Saber, whether that be the Carnifex, Paladin, Harrier, or Valiant. I personally beleive that the Saber should either have innate AP, a headshot multiplyer, or both to be on par with the other UR weapons. I don't think the Saber is a bad gun by any means, I just beleive that the Paladin is usually a better choice, and I used stats to explain why.

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Wow. I like the Saber where it is right now.....I can't wait to see what is done to it.

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My favorite gun just got better! Thanks Fagnan!

I know TGI+Saber is the most obvious choice, however I'll be using it with the Tsol. Have been using that combo before ANY dlc came out!

Line 'em up and knock 'em down!

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Eric Fagnan wrote...

We are looking at some Saber changes for the near future.


not neccessary, the saber is fine as is

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Eric Fagnan wrote...

Grinch57 wrote...

Eric Fagnan wrote...

The Saber is a really decent weapon, but it has the lowest sustained DPS of the ultra rare assault rifles and its DPS is comparable to the Paladin, which is half its weight.

I think I just wet myself.  

Oh, wait, that was just my soda.

Lighter?

Bigger clip?

Higher damage?

Faster reload?

In tomorrow's balance changes?

All of the above?

Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! (like the little pig in the TV commercial)


Sorry this won't be out tomorrow.

*Sniffs, chokes back a sob, wipes away a tear, goes off to a corner and pouts*

Modifié par Grinch57, 26 novembre 2012 - 11:24 .


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Eric Fagnan wrote...

The Saber is a really decent weapon, but it has the lowest sustained DPS of the ultra rare assault rifles and its DPS is comparable to the Paladin, which is half its weight.


I like the way you think this time: instead of looking at the best of its kind and potentially nerf it, look at the "worst" of its kind and potentially buff it (I like saber though).

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Eric Fagnan wrote...

Grinch57 wrote...

Eric Fagnan wrote...

The Saber is a really decent weapon, but it has the lowest sustained DPS of the ultra rare assault rifles and its DPS is comparable to the Paladin, which is half its weight.

I think I just wet myself.  

Oh, wait, that was just my soda.

Lighter?

Bigger clip?

Higher damage?

Faster reload?

In tomorrow's balance changes?

All of the above?

Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! (like the little pig in the TV commercial)


Sorry this won't be out tomorrow.


What about Shockwave or Submission net?

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whateverman7

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Eric Fagnan wrote...

The Saber is a really decent weapon, but it has the lowest sustained DPS of the ultra rare assault rifles and its DPS is comparable to the Paladin, which is half its weight.


i like the saber as is, so i'm not gonna complain about yall making it better (even though i dont think it's neccessary).....gonna say though: hope yall prepared for the 'saber is overpowered' talk that is soon to follow pending changes

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I like the headshot idea for the saber. As it stands, IIRC, without a hefty damage boost from ammo or powers, it takes something like 4 headshots to take down a gold collector captain. IMO, with something like the saber, you should be able to drop all of an infantry unit's shields or health with one headshot.

Note: I think it does enough base damage. Up that too much and I'll start feeling dirty using it. Ditto weight, clip, and spare ammo. 

Modifié par Jamesui, 26 novembre 2012 - 11:14 .


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Like both a lot, but I love the Paladin. Probably my fave and most used gun in ME3 (MP as well as SP). The Sabre is a close second, though, so from where I sit, it's a good question.

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Paladin > Crusader > Saber

It's not a bad gun, but there are better options.

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I don't know, I actually really like the saber. It's able to take advantage of anyone who gets buffs from using Assault Rifles (either from weight reduction or a proficiency bonus). Where as the Paladin is used for people with pistol proficiencies (casters usually)

Honestly, I take the Saber and the Hurricane and clean house most rounds!

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The only thing it needs is RoF maybe. It would be hilarious with Marksman then.

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HolyAvenger wrote...

Saber buffs?

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You win all of teh internets.  It is not often I actually lol.  Hats off.

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If there are gonna be Saber buffs (and hey, I won't complain when you make a gun I already like even better), I hope they'll address what I consider its most glaring weakness...reload time. The reload animation takes forever and a day. And I'm always too early when I try to RC it because it is just soooooooooooo long...

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whateverman7 wrote...

i like the saber as is, so i'm not gonna complain about yall making it better (even though i dont think it's neccessary).....gonna say though: hope yall prepared for the 'saber is overpowered' talk that is soon to follow pending changes

Well, the gun is really good as it is.
But it really feels kinda silly that a pistol that weighs half as much does as much damage and has higher DPS.
The fact that the Saber has 8 shots in a magazine instead of 3 is kinda negated by the paladins fast reaload vs. the sabers really slow reload.

I still use the Saber quiet a bit and I really like it. I play weapons a lot on feel and not only on numbers.
But I do think the Saber needs some sort of buff to make it stand out and make it worth its weight and UR status.

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A damage buff in the realm of 15%, or a ROF increase should be fine. Or perhaps a smaller buff and weight decrease.

Basically it has to be no more powerful than the Crusader, but more powerful than the Paladin.

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The soothing noise the Saber makes when you fire it. ;-D

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Eric Fagnan wrote...

We are looking at some Saber changes for the near future.

Please not another nerf. The fact that it's being compared to a pistol says it all already :whistle:

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ahh this again...


becasue it is better

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Eric Fagnan wrote...

The Saber is a really decent weapon, but it has the lowest sustained DPS of the ultra rare assault rifles and its DPS is comparable to the Paladin, which is half its weight.

Praise be to Fagnan, father of thy lord buff

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Can the Paladin get its fourth shot back?

Had to ask. Used to be my favorite weapon.. now it's.. eh.