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[N7Gold]

masster blaster wrote...

Wait that's was him?

Gotta be. He was one of the few Alliance soldiers who doesn't wear a helmet. When I first saw the scene where he saved a guy from being attacked by a Husk after choosing to destroy the Reapers, I wondered why the cutscene showed Hadley even though I've never seen him before in the game. When I look back at that moment now, it makes me believe the OP's theory, and the puzzle theory is true.

I know someone will tell me that he was a researcher for Task Force Aurora, he can't have become an Alliance soldier so quickly. My counterargument is that in the Alliance, even if you're not a soldier,  you can still be trained in basic military combat. the novel Mass Effect Revelation stated that.

[DoomsdayDevice]

I don't know. I've checked it out, but the guy looks so generic that I can't call it conclusive. It's interesting, but I'm not convinced.

[OneWithTheAssassins]

Don't listen to these naysayers!
You've got some awesome stuff here man.
Also, there is an alternate conversation with Joker about the Geth concesus. The diffrence is that EDI never enters the conversation and Joker ask Shepard what if he never left, what if everything he sees right now is just a simulation.
Check on youtube.
Also...

[yukon fire]

I.T. ...meh, I really think this is more "they failed to plan" than "they planned to fail".

[Rachek81]

Solid read DD, I recently picked up ME3 again b/c of Omega, and got thrown back into the discussion regarding the ending. I love the speculation and the theories, but yours is hands down the most compelling and enjoyable, actual quotes from the game etc make it hard to refuse. The hints are all there and I'm glad someone is starting to read between the lines. Keep up the great work!

[DoomsdayDevice]

Rachek81 wrote...

Solid read DD, I recently picked up ME3 again b/c of Omega, and got thrown back into the discussion regarding the ending. I love the speculation and the theories, but yours is hands down the most compelling and enjoyable, actual quotes from the game etc make it hard to refuse. The hints are all there and I'm glad someone is starting to read between the lines. Keep up the great work!

I'm Commander Shepard and this is my favourite reply to this thread!

Seriously though, glad you like it! I'm adding more stuff as I find things.

I'm glad you took the time to read the quotes in the OP! I personally think there are some awesome clues in there.

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 30 novembre 2012 - 05:23 .

[masster blaster]

Plus with his friends he made this work.

[DoomsdayDevice]

Yep! The guys from the IT thread  helped me collect all the quotes. We still keep finding new ones, it's pretty amazing.

I loved that last one from Garrus that you found, masster.

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 30 novembre 2012 - 05:30 .

[Rachek81]

YES! of course, everyone involved is doing an awesome amount of work. Just know you have a strong community behind you, and even if they don't post it, they are watching and hoping.

[UrgentArchengel]

Loved the quotes by the way. Still never regretted choosing Destroy.

[masster blaster]

Urgent have not seen you in a long time. How's it been? Also thank you DD, ya I was like wait what did Garrus just say?

[UrgentArchengel]

I'm not too bad. Lately I've been kicking major butt in Halo 4. Omega just didn't provide for me sadly. How about you masster blaster?

[masster blaster]

Bean great. Played Halo 4. Was okay. Persoanly black ops 2 was actually very good. SP wise. And AC3 was and epic, yet was pissed off at Desmond at the end. Oh and Omega actually has helped IT in small degrees, and some major. You should ask bleeding urnaium about his theory about Cerberus Reaper theory it's great. Oh and Mark 4 is about to happen in about 2 more days from now.

But I have to go to bed now. Long day tommorrow, so pm me if you want. So night.

[clennon8]

I like your optimism, DD.

[2484Stryker]

Sorry, OP, but as much as I want your theory to be true, from a business & story-telling point of view, it cannot be so. It'd be the end of BioWare as we know it.

[Biotic Sage]

kookie28 wrote...

Dude. Let go.

This is really the only response that this thread needed.  Perfect haha.

What's most hilarious to me about the IT supporters is that they have effectively indoctrinated themselves and each other.  This guy even acknowledges the concept of "confirmation bias" and still the indoctrination is too strong.  Absurdly ironic!

Modifié par Biotic Sage, 30 novembre 2012 - 07:42 .

[curbsideprophet]

As like or unlikely as this is, it is entirely possible. Again, possible, not plausible, but if this actually turns out to be the case I don't even want to think what kind of precedents will be established.

Is it brilliant? Absolutely. Is it right? Perhaps not. But this is exactly the kind of directed manipulation you'd expect to see out of master artist, particularly with the last thirty or forty years and the rise of postmodern commentary on each others' work.

Sorry, I'm getting a little caught up in the implications of something like this. Once again, I don't think it'll be the case because frankly it is incredibly unlikely, but if it is I will be floored. BioWare would entrench themselves forever in a position as mater storytellers, because that's almost unbelievable.

I think some people might complain that two of the 'endings' wouldn't then carry over into ME3, but then there's ME2 where you can die and again be unable to import your Shepard based on choices and decision-making.

[hangmans tree]

What I see is people overintellectualize the whole ME3 content. Searching and finding meaning in things that should be taken at face value. There wasnt and is no IT theory concived by BW. But there might be retconed in, if EA finds it a possible sizable source of income (warranting production).

That is what I think.

[111987]

Your evidence is a bunch of quotes that you just attached a meaning to without any real reason but to confirm your own beliefs. You could 'prove' anything this way.

Nothing here is real evidence. And the existence of the EC and the fact that Bioware still hasn't revealed their master plan pretty much ensures IT isn't real. It's far too late at this point anyways; the vast majority of ME3 players would have moved on by now.

[liggy002]

I believe you OP. I still think they have everyone fooled. Time will tell with the release of the final DLC and Mass Effect 4. This is the only way that all of this stuff makes sense. It would honestly make history as probably the best story ever if it were true.

[liggy002]

Here's a question for you OP. How does the refuse ending fit the IT? I LOVE THIS THREAD BY THE WAY. The ending literalists cannot refute it. The dialogue in this game was deep. I'll say that.

[111987]

liggy002 wrote...

Here's a question for you OP. How does the refuse ending fit the IT? I LOVE THIS THREAD BY THE WAY. The ending literalists cannot refute it. The dialogue in this game was deep. I'll say that.

It's hard to refuse non-sense and subjective interpretations with no real basis in fact.

The OP is trying to prove a theory by providing 'evidence' that would only exist if said theory was real. This is a logical fallacy.

[Biotic Sage]

hangmans tree wrote...

What I see is people overintellectualize the whole ME3 content. Searching and finding meaning in things that should be taken at face value. There wasnt and is no IT theory concived by BW. But there might be retconed in, if EA finds it a possible sizable source of income (warranting production).

That is what I think.

That is a completely accurate statement.  However it is also accurate to say that EA would never in their right minds find retconning a "real ending" into a game months later and releasing it as DLC to be a possible sizable source of income that warrants production.  Thus we can comfortably dismiss the (crazy) train of thought known as Indoctrination Theory.

Modifié par Biotic Sage, 30 novembre 2012 - 10:18 .

[curbsideprophet]

Biotic Sage wrote...

hangmans tree wrote...

What I see is people overintellectualize the whole ME3 content. Searching and finding meaning in things that should be taken at face value. There wasnt and is no IT theory concived by BW. But there might be retconed in, if EA finds it a possible sizable source of income (warranting production).

That is what I think.

That is a completely accurate statement.  However it is also accurate to say that EA would never in their right minds find retconning a "real ending" into a game months later and releasing it as DLC to be a possible sizable source of income that warrants production.  Thus we can comfortably dismiss the (crazy) train of thought known as Indoctrination Theory.

But wouldn't they? Despite what most fans/BSN members/everyone seems to vocalize about refusing to buy DLC and boycotting EA products, most polls indicate that people would be perfectly willing at this buy to buy the content they thought 'should have been in the original game' - in other words, paying for retconned endings and altered cutscenes/missions. That's not to say that such alternative content will ever materialize, but I don't think it's wise to rule it out as a possibility either. Unlikely, but possible, just as the OP's theories are.

[Seival]

masster blaster wrote...

As should you Seival. Although this is DD's thread, and he is duing this independently. He did all of this on his own, except the quotes. That's a thing he wanted to add to his collection of ME quotes.Personaly I can't wait to start Mark 4 after three has reached it's maximum page length.

On that note. I am going to go watch Gundam Wing.

Let me remind you the definition of paranoia:

Paranoia is a thought process believed to be heavily influenced by anxiety or fear, often to the point of irrationality and delusion. Paranoid thinking typically includes persecutory beliefs, or beliefs of conspiracy concerning a perceived threat towards oneself. (e.g. "Everyone is out to get me.") Making false accusations and the general distrust of others also frequently accompany paranoia. For example, an incident most people would view as an accident or coincidence, a paranoid person might believe was intentional.

ITers have a collection of game bugs and misguided interpretations to justify only one false assumption: "devs lied to them intentionally". Yes, IT is no longer just about corrupting the story with primitive destroy-only ending. It's about a "conspiracy" and "intentional lies"... 

...People who feed paranoia might have some serious mental health issues in the future. For now I just want all IT discussions to be moved to fan-fiction section of the forums just because IT is just a fan-fiction. But sooner or later we will have to raise a question about IT prohibition, because it starts to become able to harm people health. There are a lot of kids on BSN. Someone has to protect them from such harm... Today they are discussing IT, tomorrow they start to have feeling that someone constantly "watches them from the shadows", and soon after that they start to harm people in real life. This must be stopped once and for all.

Modifié par Seival, 30 novembre 2012 - 11:05 .