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[BleedingUranium]

Seival, you're indoctrinated. And it's hilarious.

[Seival]

SwobyJ wrote...

lol Seival with indoctrinated eyes. L.O.L.

BleedingUranium wrote...

Seival, you're indoctrinated. And it's hilarious.

You see? People are starting to apply IT paranoia to real life. Remember my words, this will not end well.

Seival wrote...
Let me remind you the definition of paranoia:

Paranoia is a thought process believed to be heavily influenced by anxiety or fear, often to the point of irrationality and delusion. Paranoid thinking typically includes persecutory beliefs, or beliefs of conspiracy concerning a perceived threat towards oneself. (e.g. "Everyone is out to get me.") Making false accusations and the general distrust of others also frequently accompany paranoia. For example, an incident most people would view as an accident or coincidence, a paranoid person might believe was intentional.

ITers have a collection of game bugs and misguided interpretations to justify only one false assumption: "devs lied to them intentionally". Yes, IT is no longer just about corrupting the story with primitive destroy-only ending. It's about a "conspiracy" and "intentional lies"... 

...People who feed paranoia might have some serious mental health issues in the future. For now I just want all IT discussions to be moved to fan-fiction section of the forums just because IT is just a fan-fiction. But sooner or later we will have to raise a question about IT prohibition, because it starts to become able to harm people health. There are a lot of kids on BSN. Someone has to protect them from such harm... Today they are discussing IT, tomorrow they start to have feeling that someone constantly "watches them from the shadows", and soon after that they start to harm people in real life. This must be stopped once and for all.

Modifié par Seival, 30 novembre 2012 - 11:31 .

[BleedingUranium]

Seival wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

lol Seival with indoctrinated eyes. L.O.L.

BleedingUranium wrote...

Seival, you're indoctrinated. And it's hilarious.

You see? People are starting to apply IT paranoia to real life. Remember my words, this will not end well.

IT does apply to real life, because Bioware successfully indoctrinated part of its fanbase into siding with the Reapers.


Blur: Together we can stop Harbinger. We don't have to submit to the Reapers. We can beat them!

Seival: I no longer believe that Blur. The visions cannot be denied. The Reapers are too powerful. The only hope of survival is to join with them. Harbinger is a machine. It thinks like a machine. If I can prove my value, I become a resource, worth maintaining. There is no other logical conclusion.

Blur: You were a Shepard. You swore to protect the galaxy. Then you broke that vow to save yourself.

Seival: I'm not doing this for myself. Don't you see, Harbinger will succeed. It is inevitable. My way is the only way any of us will survive. I'm forging an alliance between us and the Reapers, between organics and machines, and in doing so, I will save more lives than have ever existed. But you would undo my work. You would doom our entire civilization to complete annihilation, and for that, you must die.

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 30 novembre 2012 - 12:01 .

[Ithurael]

Seival. is. the. best.

10/10

[Necrotya]

Now, if Bioware would pull something like this off, well that would be pure genius. Im afraid ppl who eventually could have done it, are long gone (the Doctors and writters ). Bioware feeding ppl with "false" info ( call it as you wish ) is IMO not part of their tactic to hide the "real" thing that's coming, but just poor PR.

Modifié par Necrotya, 30 novembre 2012 - 12:47 .

[BleedingUranium]

Necrotya wrote...

Now, if Bioware would pull something like this off, well that would be pure genius. Im afraid ppl who eventually could have done it, are long gone (the Doctors and writters ). Bioware feeding ppl with "false" info ( call it as you wish ) is IMO not part of their tactic to hide the "real" thing that's coming, but just poor PR.

I'm sure your close friend in Bioware gave you all this well-grounded info

[SpamBot2000]

Just remember the words of the poet: 'If you live in hope, you're dancing to a terrible tune'.

Modifié par SpamBot2000, 30 novembre 2012 - 01:02 .

[DoomsdayDevice]

111987 wrote...

Your evidence is a bunch of quotes that you just attached a meaning to without any real reason but to confirm your own beliefs. You could 'prove' anything this way.

Nothing here is real evidence.

I understand why you would say that. Just remember, I have never said any of this is evidence, or that it proves IT.

Make of it what you will. I honestly can't read some of these quotes without cracking up, because to me it's just obviously Bioware having a laugh at us.

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 30 novembre 2012 - 01:07 .

[DoomsdayDevice]

liggy002 wrote...

Here's a question for you OP. How does the refuse ending fit the IT?

I personally think that the refuse ending is a failure. You talk with the "catalyst", and you no longer want to destroy the Reapers. I think that intention is important: the willingness to take action. In the end, action counts, not words.

Refusing is taking a moral stance, but in doing so, you take no action and doom the entire galaxy. It's only a moral 'victory'.

IMO, the lesson here is that you can't always win without making sacrifices. A Shepard who wants to defeat the Reapers must be willing to make the tough choice: sacrifice the few to save the many.

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 30 novembre 2012 - 01:06 .

[SpamBot2000]

SwobyJ wrote...

SpamBot2000 wrote...

Just remember the words of the poet: 'When you live in hope, you are dancing to a terrible tune'.

You mean song lyrics? Unless you're talking about Tom Waits as a poet.

Hey, you're obviously an individual of considerable taste and refinement. Good catch.

Modifié par SpamBot2000, 30 novembre 2012 - 01:17 .

[Necrotya]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Necrotya wrote...

Now, if Bioware would pull something like this off, well that would be pure genius. Im afraid ppl who eventually could have done it, are long gone (the Doctors and writters ). Bioware feeding ppl with "false" info ( call it as you wish ) is IMO not part of their tactic to hide the "real" thing that's coming, but just poor PR.

I'm sure your close friend in Bioware gave you all this well-grounded info

What info? it's my opinion, Im not stating any facts here, just sharing my thoughs...
All Im saying is...I don't belive Bioware is capable of pulling s.it like this off. If they ever do, Ill gladly eat my words. It would be a first in video game history, that a company would make an "average( bad, misleading, call it as you wish ) " ending in order to later do a sequel with the real thing. If you know any case where that happened please do tell.

[SpamBot2000]

SwobyJ wrote...

SpamBot2000 wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

SpamBot2000 wrote...

Just remember the words of the poet: 'When you live in hope, you are dancing to a terrible tune'.

You mean song lyrics? Unless you're talking about Tom Waits as a poet.

Hey, you're obviously and individual of considerable taste and refinement. Good catch.

I also generally believe in what the OP is suggesting/stating, so you can either keep up that opinion of me, or temper it down

Well... I wish for what the OP is suggesting... 

[BleedingUranium]

Necrotya wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Necrotya wrote...

Now, if Bioware would pull something like this off, well that would be pure genius. Im afraid ppl who eventually could have done it, are long gone (the Doctors and writters ). Bioware feeding ppl with "false" info ( call it as you wish ) is IMO not part of their tactic to hide the "real" thing that's coming, but just poor PR.

I'm sure your close friend in Bioware gave you all this well-grounded info

What info? it's my opinion, Im not stating any facts here, just sharing my thoughs...
All Im saying is...I don't belive Bioware is capable of pulling s.it like this off. If they ever do, Ill gladly eat my words. It would be a first in video game history, that a company would make an "average( bad, misleading, call it as you wish ) " ending in order to later do a sequel with the real thing. If you know any case where that happened please do tell.

Sorry, I just hear a lot of this, nothing personal.

I've come to the conclusion that IT requires two things: And understanding of the themes and events of the Mass Effect universe, and a belief that Bioware is capable of writing it/following up on it. Without those, one can't accept IT as possible.

Everyone should have the former, but the latter is up to each person, as none of us can know for sure.

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 30 novembre 2012 - 01:19 .

[Necrotya]

Sorry, I just hear a lot of this, nothing personal.

I've come to the conclusion that IT requires two things: And understanding of the themes and events of the Mass Effect universe, and a belief that Bioware is capable of writing it/following up on it. Without those, one can't accept IT as possible.

Everyone should have the former, but the latter is up to each person, as none of us can know for sure.

No need for apologies, we're all here to share ideas...and no, Im not saying "my" theory is the right 1, nor that some1 else's is wrong, but  having in mind all that happened in last 6-7 months, EC, BW statements, I don't see it coming.  BTW, I would love to be proven wrong on this 1, as lots of other fans would too.

Cheers

[SimonTheFrog]

@ OP / Quotes.

To me this feels like insanity. The quotes are completely out of context. It feels like you are in that specific mindset and you find fitting words everywhere due to that fixation.

Have you seen the film "Pi" from Aronofsky? The protagonist does the same there.

Anyway, thinking this I also see that Javek for example clearly talks about the catalyst subject way before it turns into a subject. His warning that machines can't ever be trusted for example or that there can never be true peace between organics and AI, even though it would seem otherwise with EDI or the geth.
And he speaks with the wisdom of his people who were a lot further advanced than any species in this cycle (at least concerning their superior technology).

So, yeah, BioWare does have characters pick up subjects to feed info and ideas to the player which he might need later to be able to appreciate a situation better.

In this spirit I generally applaud the idea to go through the game and check for hints that BioWare intended the end to be purely in sheps head. But the list of quotes you provided is far, far too random. Most of the situations where the quotes are from deal with completely different subjects. What we need is a situation where it is clearly about uncertainty whats true when dealing with reapers, for example. Or a situation where people talk about war strategies in general and mention that a victory might actually be an illusion etc. etc.
You know, quotes that are in a context that actually points to that situation at the end of the game.

Just my 2 cents.

P.S. The whole Javik sub-plot is highly volatile as "ending related". I would suggest investigating that further.
But not the Cerberus notes from the Eden Prime mission. They are most probably just there to show the player how evil Cerberus is (remember, Eden Prime can be played very early in the game.) And they are there as a cheap side-mission + the achievement/war asset about helping the colony.

But maybe there's more in his lines concerning the prothean experiences with the Reapers and especially in his flash-backs. Basically everything this guys says is directly linked to the Reapers and tactics against them etc.

Modifié par SimonTheFrog, 30 novembre 2012 - 03:17 .

[SimonTheFrog]

SwobyJ wrote...

SimonTheFrog wrote...

@ OP / Quotes.

To me this feels like insanity. The quotes are completely out of context. It feels like you are in that specific mindset and you find fitting words everywhere due to that fixation.

Have you seen the film "Pi" from Aronofsky? The protagonist does the same there.

Anyway, thinking this I also see that Javek for example clearly talks about the catalyst subject way before it turns into a subject. His warning that machines can't ever be trusted for example or that there can never be true peace between organics and AI, even though it would seem otherwise with EDI or the geth.
And he speaks with the wisdom of his people who were a lot further advanced than any species in this cycle (at least concerning their superior technology).

So, yeah, BioWare does have characters pick up subjects to feed info and ideas to the player which he might need later to be able to appreciate a situation better.

In this spirit I generally applaud the idea to go through the game and check for hints that BioWare intended the end to be purely in sheps head. But the list of quotes you provided is far, far too random. Most of the situations where the quotes are from deal with completely different subjects. What we need is a situation where it is clearly about uncertainty whats true when dealing with reapers, for example. Or a situation where people talk about war strategies in general and mention that a victory might actually be an illusion etc. etc.
You know, quotes that are in a context that actually points to that situation at the end of the game.

Just my 2 cents.

How about the fact that you're talking to a supposed hologram in the specific shape of the child that you saw die at the beginning of the game?

Which leaves the reasons for it to be as such to only be:

1)The Reapers saw Shepard specifcially (even though they would have let him get away then) look again specifically at that one child. And in that case, they would have WANTED the Normandy to GET AWAY!

2)The Reapers found out because Shepard talked about him on the Normandy. And in that case, you either have REAPER SPIES or REAPER TRACKING DEVICES on your SHIP! 

3)The Catalyst or the Reapers (or whatever) are reading Shepard's mind, into his memories enough to recreate an image of the child to close detail. In which case the Reapers have ACCESS TO SHEPARD'S MIND!
And even if its just the 'Catalyst', you're actually going to trust a last-minute addition to the story that can recreate images from the protagonist's memories and claims to control the antagonists of the entire trilogy?

I mean really, I haven't found a reasoning for this other than "Well Catalyst is good." What? You just met him! And he made himself out of a child you saw die? How isn't that sadistic????

Also lol: www.xbox360achievements.org/game/mass-effect-3/achievement/70305-Conspiracy-Theorist.html

What about that child hologram?

I'm sorry, i'm not following