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[NoReapers]

SwobyJ wrote...

Kamiloni wrote...

I am kind of torn here. I hope that you're right, because I like the indoctrination theory, but I don't believe that they invested that much thought into it. However if they did, I will be really happy and congratulate them on this successful fourth wall breaking. Hell, I would even appreciate them taking this idea from the community and sell it as their own... if it wasn't planned all along...

Edit: Isn't 'Omega' the last ME3 DLC. You know, it would fit all this theories to call the last DLC 'Omega', right?

Huh? No, there's at minimum one more left, and it's involving all the writers, and will very likely be on the Citadel.

Was just an ironic remark. OP sees meaning in a lot of dialogues. And there are some bible references in Mass Effect. I just want to give him some ideas.

Revelation 22,13:
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.

Omega = Last / End -> Final DLC

Not that complicated. And I am not really serious. Therefore the smiley.
It is also an example of what the OP has done, some quotes and their meaning as per OP sound a bit far-fetched. But I like the idea... don't get me wrong...

Modifié par Kamiloni, 30 novembre 2012 - 04:34 .

[DoomsdayDevice]

SimonTheFrog wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

I'm telling you an exact example of an illusion for the ending.

BTW why did you think it chose the form of a child?

The child that Shepard saw burning in his arms with shadows surrounding them,

My personal assumption about what BioWare is trying to do here is the following:

The catalyst is surprised by the resourcefulness and vigor of this cycles organics in general and by the actions of Shep specifically. He then decides that is is time to end his role as guardian of the organics because the organics appearantly learned to rely on themselves and use their unity as strength to overcome threats caused by AI's.
(he warns that they will have to pick up the weapons later again if destroy is picked and at the same time says that only synthesis ends the conflict for good).
And because he decided to step away from his role as guardian and because he needs Shep to set his new plan in motion he needs to talk to Shep in a non-hostile way. Therefore he assumes this form of a child (out of Sheps brain) to have a conversation with Shepard whilst not to alianate him/her by his appearance.

The child is a symbol for the peace that the catalyst is offering.

(Please note: i hate the ending with a veangance but that is what i think Bioware tries to tell us).

But after all the things you've learned about the Reapers, why would you assume it is this benign being who just wants to solve a problem? It is entirely inconsistent with what we know about the Reapers.

Isn't that a huge and grossly naive underestimation of an ancient and savagely intelligent enemy that has been harvesting organics for millions of years?

[NoReapers]

SwobyJ wrote...

Ah ok Kam.

I see Omega as more of the Beginning of the End. It's the start of the race forward towards the 'real ending' (or at least enough explanation for players to have a good idea), not the ending itself.

"So it begins" and all that.

In the IT sense, its where the real fight begins (symbolically).

Original ending --> Dream
EC ending --> Elaborate Dream
Leviathan --> Haze (see how Shepard acts on mining facility and with Leviathan)
Omega --> Shaken awake
Citadel (?) --> Eyes opened
???? --> "Wake up" "Um kid, I am awake. And you're Harbinger."

Wow... haven't seen it that way, yet... Omega as the beginning of the end of Shepard's dream... seems really far-fetched to me. But I like it.

[count_4]

SwobyJ wrote...
And he said he loves the ending, like loads - but then again that could just be his employee side talking?

I sure hope so because the last thing we need is a new development team that likes this abomination of an ending...

SwobyJ wrote...
1)The story ends, with the only time in the series that a Reaper-connected entity offering you assistance and choice. Again, first ever. Even TIM didn't really offer you a choice, but said in more words than this: "Go do this. Go get Collectors."

2)The image of the child has to come from somewhere. If its from your mind, you just allowed the Reaper controller to take memories and form them in front of you.
Again, you let a Reaper control the scenario you're in, as a result.

Another two basic things:

1. It's been eight months and an ending DLC since ME3. If there is a big reveal now via DLC, most players won't give a crap and BioWare wouldn't waste that amount of development costs just for a prank.

2. BioWare has stressed numerous times that ME4 is not even loosely related to the trilogy. Different time, different story, different team. It's one thing to be a little sneaky, but outright lying on that magnitude?

[dorktainian]

count_4 wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...
And he said he loves the ending, like loads - but then again that could just be his employee side talking?

I sure hope so because the last thing we need is a new development team that likes this abomination of an ending...

SwobyJ wrote...
1)The story ends, with the only time in the series that a Reaper-connected entity offering you assistance and choice. Again, first ever. Even TIM didn't really offer you a choice, but said in more words than this: "Go do this. Go get Collectors."

2)The image of the child has to come from somewhere. If its from your mind, you just allowed the Reaper controller to take memories and form them in front of you.
Again, you let a Reaper control the scenario you're in, as a result.

Another two basic things:

1. It's been eight months and an ending DLC since ME3. If there is a big reveal now via DLC, most players won't give a crap and BioWare wouldn't waste that amount of development costs just for a prank.

2. BioWare has stressed numerous times that ME4 is not even loosely related to the trilogy. Different time, different story, different team. It's one thing to be a little sneaky, but outright lying on that magnitude?

no it hasn't.  why make up rubbish just to justify rubbish?  in fact casey is still asking fans what they want.  hardley telling us they are going to set it elsewhere is he?  garbage.

[Darth_Trethon]

While I do believe that may have been the plan originally it bit them in the ass way too hard for that plan to still be intact. The backlash to the game was huge and I just don't see much being repaired in ME4 or DLC. It has already cost them too much....for ME4 I expect nothing more than another shooter clone without any pretense they give a crap about any story or RPG elements or anything of the sort. They'll try to make a profit off the multiplayer shooter spaz fans and then they'll probably lose a large majority of their studios and employees before they'll release one final game in hopes of returning to former glory. It's happened way too many times to too many studios, BioWare is already gone.....all that's left is EA pulling the strings.

[DoomsdayDevice]

SwobyJ wrote...

And while OP has said that they see the little quotes as 'jokes' by Bioware, I don't think an IT reveal will be seen as a joke by them, but instead an extended resolution of a plot point.

Yeah. I'm not saying Bioware thinks of the reveal as a joke. Some of these little references are a joke.

I feel like all that stuff, in hindsight will make people go "How didn't we pick up on this! They were even joking about it!"

The point of the whole charade is that the Reapers are the like the pinnacle of deception. And those who underestimate them will be severely screwed.

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 30 novembre 2012 - 05:15 .

[masster blaster]

What I always found funny op is that the child on Earth is telling " Shepard you can't help me?"

Why not?

What I also find funny is that Anderson never ask Shepard.

" who are you talking to" plus the kid is gone when your Shepard turns around for about 5 seconds, and find the kid gone. Now the child show have made sounds when he was leaving because when Liara is in the vent in Mars. You can hear clancs of metal when Liara is trying to move away from the gun fire.

Also the brat just magacly so happence to apper when Shepard is about to leave Earth. And looks around and looks up at Shepard. Then a Destroyer Reaper comes, and the kid get's scard and goes towards the shuttle. Now what's funny is that when the kid says.

" You can't help me" well look at the shuttle scene. Nobody helps the child. The child get's on the shuttle on his own. Symbolising that he doesn't need help from anyone.

Now when you look at the end. The Catalyst is in the form of the child. And he ask for Shepard's help. Now think about the child on Earth.

Child:" You can't help me."

Again the child on Earth doesn't need help, and the Catalyst/ Reaper leader is asking for Shepard's help in the form of a child that didn't need Shepard's help.

So if you take symbolism into account. The Catalyst does not need Shepard's help at all. Again Child on Earth doesn't need Shepard's help. The Catalyst needs Shepard's help, but takes the form of the child that doesn't need Shepard's help.

This also goes for the dream/ nightmers.

Shepard sees the child that died on Earth in his/her dreams right, but every time we get close to the child he runs away. Symbolising you can't catch me/ help me. Thus we see the child burn.

Now in the last dream we see the brat inbrase our Shepard, but a dream version of Shepard. Now what's funny is now the brat needs Shepard. But I thought the child didn't need help, but wait the Catalyst does.

[dorktainian]

a child that age would be cacking its pants. it's all a lie. all of it. they even called mass effect 3 a game. lies i tell you....

[count_4]

dorktainian wrote...

count_4 wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...
And he said he loves the ending, like loads - but then again that could just be his employee side talking?

I sure hope so because the last thing we need is a new development team that likes this abomination of an ending...

SwobyJ wrote...
1)The story ends, with the only time in the series that a Reaper-connected entity offering you assistance and choice. Again, first ever. Even TIM didn't really offer you a choice, but said in more words than this: "Go do this. Go get Collectors."

2)The image of the child has to come from somewhere. If its from your mind, you just allowed the Reaper controller to take memories and form them in front of you.
Again, you let a Reaper control the scenario you're in, as a result.

Another two basic things:

1. It's been eight months and an ending DLC since ME3. If there is a big reveal now via DLC, most players won't give a crap and BioWare wouldn't waste that amount of development costs just for a prank.

2. BioWare has stressed numerous times that ME4 is not even loosely related to the trilogy. Different time, different story, different team. It's one thing to be a little sneaky, but outright lying on that magnitude?

no it hasn't.  why make up rubbish just to justify rubbish?  in fact casey is still asking fans what they want.  hardley telling us they are going to set it elsewhere is he?  garbage.

Well, alright, they didn't say completely detached. But what they were saying comes pretty much down to the same end result:

“So first, we don’t want to make ‘Shepard 2′, or Mass Effect 4 with like, ‘oh there’s no more Shepard but you’re a soldier in the universe’. So this will be a very, very different context

With 'a very, very different context' being the important part. I wouldn't call a sequel to ME3 that directly follows up on and alters the entire ending 'very, very different'.

[DoomsdayDevice]

Honestly though, Bioware have been lying about so much stuff the past year. Why people still believe them at this point, is beyond me.

Chris Priestly even said the person who writes the Hackett multiplayer operations isn't on the writer staff. But she is, and he should know.

[Andromidius]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Honestly though, Bioware have been lying about so much stuff the past year. Why people still believe them at this point, is beyond me.

Chris Priestly even said the person who writes the Hackett multiplayer operations isn't on the writer staff. But she is, and he should know.

Funny how people believe Bioware when its conveniant for them, but not when it goes against what they want.

No post ending DLC = Bioware are completely trustworthy!

Omega is the longest DLC yet = Bioware are lying scumbags!

Funny stuff.

[count_4]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...
Honestly though, Bioware have been lying about so much stuff the past year. Why people still believe them at this point, is beyond me.

For two reasons in this case: One being that the person who elaborated on the direction of ME4 wasn't part of the Biowarian trinity of bullsh*t (aka Hudson, Gamble and Walters) but someone who isn't even close to the original ME team and the second being that they don't gain anything from it in this case.
The crap they lied about regarding ME3 was either an attempt to push sales or to cover up any signs of mistakes. 

As of now I don't have any reason to believe that the Montreal producer has any motive to lie to us about anything ME4 related.

Modifié par count_4, 30 novembre 2012 - 08:27 .

[BatmanTurian]

count_4 wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...
Honestly though, Bioware have been lying about so much stuff the past year. Why people still believe them at this point, is beyond me.

For two reasons in this case: One being that the person who elaborated on the direction of ME4 wasn't part of the Biowarian trinity of bullsh*t (aka Hudson, Gamble and Walters) but someone who isn't even close to the original ME team and the second being that they don't gain anything from it in this case.
The crap they lied about regarding ME3 was either an attempt to push sales or to cover up any signs of mistakes. 

As of now I don't have any reason to believe that the Montreal producer has any motive to lie to us about anything ME4 related.

-Bioware lies
-Believe Bioware isn't lying when it's convienent
-Look silly and hypocritical
-PROFIT???

[Daryslash]

Sion1138 wrote...

Ithurael wrote...

This thread needs to be stickied!

Point in fact, I think EVERY "calling it" thread needs to be sticky'ed or put somewhere where we can measure what actually happens against what was predicted.

One guy actually predicted the ending of ME3 to an almost ridiculous degree.

Heh, yeah. It was something along the lines of:

"The one thing I really wouldn't want to see... [ME3 Ending]"

So, seeing how that turned out, you shouldn't make predictions based on what you would like to see but what you absolutely wouldn't. And then that's what happens.

Anyone know where I can find this dude's post?

[DoomsdayDevice]

Ithurael wrote...

No, It was this thread the user was "screwoffmeg"

clickity

[BleedingUranium]

count_4 wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...
Honestly though, Bioware have been lying about so much stuff the past year. Why people still believe them at this point, is beyond me.

For two reasons in this case: One being that the person who elaborated on the direction of ME4 wasn't part of the Biowarian trinity of bullsh*t (aka Hudson, Gamble and Walters) but someone who isn't even close to the original ME team and the second being that they don't gain anything from it in this case.
The crap they lied about regarding ME3 was either an attempt to push sales or to cover up any signs of mistakes. 

As of now I don't have any reason to believe that the Montreal producer has any motive to lie to us about anything ME4 related.

If IT and an expansion, then your "Biowarian trinity of bullsh*t" doesn't exist.

Also, the Montreal producer called Shepard "Captain Shepard". Totally credible.

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 01 décembre 2012 - 01:05 .