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[DoomsdayDevice]

Yeah, it's a matter of confirmation bias vs. pattern recognition.

There's probably both here, but some of these references are just too blatant to ignore, such as Anderson saying 'I assume you have wiped the galaxy clean of Reapers and we can all come up for air now?" and Garrus saying "Don't forget to come up for air, there's a lot more war to go."

These things are not simple coincidence. They are obviously intentional references to the breath scene. There's definitely a pattern here, IMO.

[buthane22]

Nice thinking. But there's one major problem with all this...

Everything quote you take can be completly logic in it's context. Without that, you can make words say anything you can.

You are using these facts to proove your theory.

You should use your theory to support facts.

[4stringwizard]

buthane22 wrote...

Nice thinking. But there's one major problem with all this...

Everything quote you take can be completly logic in it's context. Without that, you can make words say anything you can.

You are using these facts to proove your theory.

You should use your theory to support facts.

Um, that's how theories are proven.  With facts.  

If you're quoting Sherlock Holmes, it basically goes "One musn't twist facts to suit theories, rather theories to suit facts."

That's more a paraphrase, but it's the main idea.

[DoomsdayDevice]

Of course these quotes are completely logical in their context, it's a second layer of meaning. And again: I'm not trying to prove anything. I'm illustrating.

I subscribe to classic IT:

Everything from the moment Harbinger blasts Shepard is an illusion in Shepard's mind. His choice has real consequences in the sense that it either ends with him being indoctrinated, or beating indoctrination.

These quotes are simply meant to illustrate what I think is a hidden layer of meaning in the dialogue. By themselves, they prove nothing, but in the larger context of all the clues that IT has dug up, they seem relevant.

IT is a big picture made out of little pictures. This is just another layer of little pictures, IMO.

IT-ers do not agree on what's going to happen next. Some say it's meant to be left ambiguous, others say our victory is implied by beating indoctrination. Some think we will beat the Reapers for real in a DLC, others think Shepard was actually on the Citadel and the Crucible actually was used to destroy the Reapers. (Deception Theory)

I think the entire ending is a publicity stunt to give us another game with Shepard. The crucible wasn't used, it's probably a Reaper trap, and the Reapers are still there, even if you picked destroy.

And while we may get a reveal DLC, I do not think that will be the end of it.

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 14 décembre 2012 - 08:41 .

[ekekek]

 I thought Shepard's eyes closed the debate eons ago...

http://oi48.tinypic.com/2i1jqjq.jpg

[DoomsdayDevice]

ekekek wrote...

 I thought Shepard's eyes closed the debate eons ago...

I agree, but some people insist it is because Shepard has synthetic eyes, and it only becomes apparent now.

I don't agree with that, I think it's a very telling clue.

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 14 décembre 2012 - 05:34 .

[Pascal219]

Yup, the whole crucible feels like a trap. Why else wouldn't they disable the relays? The only thing that makes sense is because they want to lure the remaining forces of the Galaxy to Earth..

[DoomsdayDevice]

Pascal219 wrote...

Yup, the whole crucible feels like a trap. Why else wouldn't they disable the relays? The only thing that makes sense is because they want to lure the remaining forces of the Galaxy to Earth..

Agreed, I've always said the same thing. But a lot of people insist it must be 'bad writing'.

If you take a look at that first Eden Prime datapad, the similarities are hard to ignore.

We've gotten word from our source within Eden Prime's resistance movement that we can expect an attack on our security center between 2200 and 2300 tomorrow night. They're pulling in forces from across the colony--this gives us the perfect chance to destroy their Leadership. Once the attack is contained, allow Dr. William Cambiata to escape, firing near-miss shots to keep it realistic. He's given us good information, and with luck, the locals will see him as a daring hero and the only man to escape the Cerberus trap. They might even put him in charge!

Replace colony with galaxy, and well... you get the idea. I think it's a trap, and these datapads are explaining it all.

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 14 décembre 2012 - 08:46 .

[Dark_Caduceus]

No.

[clennon8]

Do you have anything interesting or intelligent to say?

Dark_Caduceus wrote...

No.

Fixed.

[Sil]

It's an interesting theory, but I'm struggling to believe it is any more than that. Nice work though

[GethPrimeMKII]

Pascal219 wrote...

Yup, the whole crucible feels like a trap. Why else wouldn't they disable the relays? The only thing that makes sense is because they want to lure the remaining forces of the Galaxy to Earth..

I like this human. He understands.

[chidingewe8036]

XxBrokenBonezxX wrote...

Linkenski wrote...

Think about it. How could bioware continue this warstory about the reaper war? We are already at earth, and shepard lost so many friends, and i don't see how ME4 isn't going to suck if it's a continuation of ME3's story. Sorry, but this theory is BS. It won't happen and i can assure you and everyone else believing this of that.

People are thinking about it, 8 months after the game came out. You think about it, if the IT wasn't so blatantly obvious then why would so many people believe it? And don't tell me what the mods are saying, because they've been known to lie, or mislead, many times before in similar cases. 

And ME4 will suck regardless of whether they continue the Reaper War. Because unless they fix this horrific atrocity of an ending we got, any prequel, sequel, or even a midquel will just be redundant and irrelevant.

My thoughts exactly wake Shepard up and finish the fight or fail there is no other way..........Bioware will pull a Master Chief if enough people want it but to me the fan base right now seems to be very divided and a random new game and hero will not mask ME3's failures. Bioware should utalize the IT and swallow their "artestic integrity" crap ola this is not over by any stretch and they know it they cannot simply igonore a large part of their fan base that still hate their half a** ending with a passion. The money and sales will talk the loudest. I think Bioware thinks if they release ME4 that all will be forgiven and forgotten..............nope not by a long shot, some random new hero and his flunkys cruising the galaxy behind a new story is like rubbing salt in the wound.

[N7Gold]

OP, I just remembered another quote that supports your theory, at the end of the Leviathan DLC when Shepard is speaking to Hackett.
Hackett: "This is a big step in the right direction, Shepard. Good work."

[DoomsdayDevice]

chidingewe8036 wrote...

XxBrokenBonezxX wrote...

Linkenski wrote...

Think about it. How could bioware continue this warstory about the reaper war? We are already at earth, and shepard lost so many friends, and i don't see how ME4 isn't going to suck if it's a continuation of ME3's story. Sorry, but this theory is BS. It won't happen and i can assure you and everyone else believing this of that.

People are thinking about it, 8 months after the game came out. You think about it, if the IT wasn't so blatantly obvious then why would so many people believe it? And don't tell me what the mods are saying, because they've been known to lie, or mislead, many times before in similar cases. 

And ME4 will suck regardless of whether they continue the Reaper War. Because unless they fix this horrific atrocity of an ending we got, any prequel, sequel, or even a midquel will just be redundant and irrelevant.

My thoughts exactly wake Shepard up and finish the fight or fail there is no other way..........Bioware will pull a Master Chief if enough people want it but to me the fan base right now seems to be very divided and a random new game and hero will not mask ME3's failures. Bioware should utalize the IT and swallow their "artestic integrity" crap ola this is not over by any stretch and they know it they cannot simply igonore a large part of their fan base that still hate their half a** ending with a passion. The money and sales will talk the loudest. I think Bioware thinks if they release ME4 that all will be forgiven and forgotten..............nope not by a long shot, some random new hero and his flunkys cruising the galaxy behind a new story is like rubbing salt in the wound.

I think Bioware absolutely intended IT. I don't believe for a split second the fans 'invented' IT and Bioware will just be running with it.

The artistic integrity will all turn out to be about tricking players into indoctrination and revealing it later. That's why they didn't drastically change the ending with the EC. All the EC did was make the lie more believable. They want people to fall for it. For now.

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 15 décembre 2012 - 04:18 .

[DoomsdayDevice]

N7Gold wrote...

OP, I just remembered another quote that supports your theory, at the end of the Leviathan DLC when Shepard is speaking to Hackett.
Hackett: "This is a big step in the right direction, Shepard. Good work."

What do you think it is referring to? I'm not sure what you mean. =)

[ategio]

 Some very interesting points DD you really have a good eye for detail. But eventually we have to stay honest to ourselves. Bioware stated that all questions will be answered in ME3 and that theres not going to be a 4. shep. 

I believe IT was indeed the initial plan but got scrapped due to it being to complicated to be implemented and not appealing to the new CoD clientele. 

I´d pay a lot to see your ideas play out but taking an honest look at the direction BW went in recent times a coup like you described is unlikely. 

and btw: take a look around you. how many people who bought ME3 have even heard about the IT? You really see BW making a whole new game because 5% of the player think its the only plausible way? Players joining the ME universe with the 4. part wont even know whats going on.

again im on your side here but the only way i see for the IT and a new ME referring to it is to be buried as wishfull thinking by a community which got even more dedicated to the game than the developers themselves.

Modifié par ategio, 15 décembre 2012 - 06:18 .

[M920CAIN]

Here's hoping you're right mate.

[N7Gold]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

N7Gold wrote...

OP, I just remembered another quote that supports your theory, at the end of the Leviathan DLC when Shepard is speaking to Hackett.
Hackett: "This is a big step in the right direction, Shepard. Good work."

What do you think it is referring to? I'm not sure what you mean. =)

Possibly how learning the history of the Reapers takes us a few steps closer to truly "breaching the darkness", finishing the ME3's puzzle that will possibly give us the ending that is NOT an "illusion".

[Yaos]

Is this thread still going ? lol

[a load of stanton]

he maybe right

and bioware might be pulling a Stanton here

[GethPrimeMKII]

ategio wrote...

 Some very interesting points DD you really have a good eye for detail. But eventually we have to stay honest to ourselves. Bioware stated that all questions will be answered in ME3 and that theres not going to be a 4. shep. 

I believe IT was indeed the initial plan but got scrapped due to it being to complicated to be implemented and not appealing to the new CoD clientele. 

I´d pay a lot to see your ideas play out but taking an honest look at the direction BW went in recent times a coup like you described is unlikely. 

and btw: take a look around you. how many people who bought ME3 have even heard about the IT? You really see BW making a whole new game because 5% of the player think its the only plausible way? Players joining the ME universe with the 4. part wont even know whats going on.

again im on your side here but the only way i see for the IT and a new ME referring to it is to be buried as wishfull thinking by a community which got even more dedicated to the game than the developers themselves.

I've bolded the portion of your post I'd like most to focus on. Its nobody's fault but the player if they decide to skip straight to Mass Effect 3 and have no idea WTH indoctrination is. Indoctrination isnt just some obscure, distant part of the story. Understanding indoctrination is essential to understanding the story. 

Indoctrination isnt some last minute thing they might have decided to tack onto the ending. It pretty much is the entire story. If you examine the story closely you'll be able to see clearly what BIoware's intentions are.

[DoomsdayDevice]

Continuing playthrough, keep finding more of this cool stuff. xD

Shepard (to Primarch Victus): (...) Not as complicated as waking up one day and finding out you're the new primarch.
Primarch Victus: Worst case scenarios aren't just theories--they're what you'll be dealing with five minutes from now.

(Ooo, this makes me wonder what exactly these worst case scenarios will look like!)

Javik makes things simple for us, by ruling out three out of four endings:

Javik: Vengeance is the goal, suicide is not.

Hilarious ending reference by Traynor here:

Shepard: You're a good officer, Traynor. Glad you finally realize it.
Traynor: Thanks. Not that I'm volunteering for bomb-jump duty. I'd suggest sending someone who has armour first, if possible.

[DoomsdayDevice]

ategio wrote...

You really see BW making a whole new game because 5% of the player think its the only plausible way?

No, I see them pulling this off simply because it is their plan. =)

[DoomsdayDevice]

N7Gold wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

N7Gold wrote...

OP, I just remembered another quote that supports your theory, at the end of the Leviathan DLC when Shepard is speaking to Hackett.
Hackett: "This is a big step in the right direction, Shepard. Good work."

What do you think it is referring to? I'm not sure what you mean. =)

Possibly how learning the history of the Reapers takes us a few steps closer to truly "breaching the darkness", finishing the ME3's puzzle that will possibly give us the ending that is NOT an "illusion".

Could be! Who knows what role Leviathan may play eventually... =)