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[Argolas]

XxBrokenBonezxX wrote...

Oh god how I wish this were true. I used to believe in IT. And no matter how much I don't believe anything Priestly or any of the other mods say at this point, I can't get my hopes up again.

I can't really believe it anymore either, but I also keep thinking "If Bioware is actually pulling that off right now, they'll be legends.". Of course they'd ****** some people off, but if they did it in a good way, it won't be anything like the initial ending ****storm. And the others would probably buying all Bioware stuff for the next 50 years.

[Ithurael]

Sion1138 wrote...

Ithurael wrote...

This thread needs to be stickied!

Point in fact, I think EVERY "calling it" thread needs to be sticky'ed or put somewhere where we can measure what actually happens against what was predicted.

One guy actually predicted the ending of ME3 to an almost ridiculous degree.

Heh, yeah. It was something along the lines of:

"The one thing I really wouldn't want to see... [ME3 Ending]"

So, seeing how that turned out, you shouldn't make predictions based on what you would like to see but what you absolutely wouldn't. And then that's what happens.

No, It was this thread the user was "screwoffmeg"

clickity

[What a Succulent Ass]

Yo forreal doe, the denialism on this board is still mad powerful.

Like,

this sh*t could meet a small country's energy needs for a year.

[DoomsdayDevice]

But who is in denial?

The conspiracy theorists?

Or the 'bad writing' people who believe it's over?

Time will tell.

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 26 novembre 2012 - 05:40 .

[XxBrokenBonezxX]

Argolas wrote...

XxBrokenBonezxX wrote...

Oh god how I wish this were true. I used to believe in IT. And no matter how much I don't believe anything Priestly or any of the other mods say at this point, I can't get my hopes up again.

I can't really believe it anymore either, but I also keep thinking "If Bioware is actually pulling that off right now, they'll be legends.". Of course they'd ****** some people off, but if they did it in a good way, it won't be anything like the initial ending ****storm. And the others would probably buying all Bioware stuff for the next 50 years.

I know that's why I'm slowly getting away from IT. Not because I don't love the idea, but because I don't see Bioware taking a risk like that. But you're right, if that's what they did do...it would be unheard of, and if done right could renew many people's interest in this series.

What keeps my hopes about IT hanging on by a thread despite the negativity and being told it's not true, is just the sheer amount of evidence that it has underneath it.

[Kabooooom]

Parsimony. This violates it. What is more likely, that Bioware are a bunch of literary geniuses or that they just botched the game up, possibly due to EA imposed time constraints and possibly due to genuinely bad writing?

I think you know the answer to that. If you look for Jesus' face on pieces of toast long enough, you will eventually find it, and then confirmation bias will convince you that this is a miraculous revelation. But conversely, pattern recognition caused you to see profound meaning in irrelevance. It's a phenomenon well known to psychology.

Modifié par Kabooooom, 26 novembre 2012 - 05:49 .

[Merode]

I have had a "perfect" ending and I liked it. I think Bioware wants you to imagine the rest of the story the way you like it. In my opinion Shepard retired after ME3 and created family with his LI while maintaining friendship with Garrus.

You're free to think of whatever you want now, you're the writer. If you haven't had "perfect" ending - well, it's an issue on your end - you could have done better. My wild guess about sequel is going to be that it will be set much further in the future, like 1000 years and all that will be left after Shepard will be monument on Citadel and codex entry - customized to your ending thanks to importing save.

If Bioware makes different choice - well, we'll have to live with it. I just hope they don't mess with my ending. You know, all these blue kids..

[AlanC9]

DoomsdayDevice, you're a crackpot conspiracy theorist.

(Figured someone ought to actually say it.)

[Maxster_]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

But who is in denial?

The conspiracy theorists?

Or the 'bad writing' people who believe it's over?

Time will tell.

Time already told.
You are in denial.

[Kabooooom]

Time already told.

And basic principles of logic agree.

[AlanC9]

Kabooooom wrote...

Parsimony. This violates it. What is more likely, that Bioware are a bunch of literary geniuses or that they just botched the game up, possibly due to EA imposed time constraints and possibly due to genuinely bad writing?

I think you know the answer to that. If you look for Jesus' face on pieces of toast long enough, you will eventually find it, and then confirmation bias will convince you that this is a miraculous revelation. But conversely, pattern recognition caused you to see profound meaning in irrelevance. It's a phenomenon well known to psychology.

Agreed. Anyone who thinks that this was all planned is kidding himself.

However, this does not necessarily mean that Bio can't implement IT as a massive retcon, if they decide it fits their business goals. It doesn't appear that this makes any sense since IT isn't all that popular here, and I don't have any reason to think that things would be different with gamers at large. But I don't have access to any really good data on the subject.

Modifié par AlanC9, 26 novembre 2012 - 05:58 .

[Maxster_]

Kabooooom wrote...

Time already told.

And basic principles of logic agree.

Well, it never made any sense from business perspective anyway.

[Maxster_]

AlanC9 wrote...

Kabooooom wrote...

Parsimony. This violates it. What is more likely, that Bioware are a bunch of literary geniuses or that they just botched the game up, possibly due to EA imposed time constraints and possibly due to genuinely bad writing?

I think you know the answer to that. If you look for Jesus' face on pieces of toast long enough, you will eventually find it, and then confirmation bias will convince you that this is a miraculous revelation. But conversely, pattern recognition caused you to see profound meaning in irrelevance. It's a phenomenon well known to psychology.

Agreed. Anyone who thinks that this was all planned is kidding himself.

However, this does not necessarily mean that Bio can't implement IT as a massive retcon, if they decide it fits their business goals. It doesn't appear that this makes any sense since IT isn't all that popular here, and I don't have any reason to think that things would be different with gamers at large. But I don't have access to any really good data on the subject.

I doubt latter. Not after the EC.
Well, they could done that, but given garbage writing quality of nowadays EAWare - it will be even worse then.

[DoomsdayDevice]

Private Campbell: "When this war is over, I hope we find every race that sat back while we bled, and get some payback."
Private Westmoreland: "That's a great plan... follow war with more war."

Garrus: "Don't forget to come up for air, there's a lot more war to go."

Shepard (FOB): You have to believe this is not the end.

Shepard (FOB): Not necessarily our last. (fight)

Javik: The Reapers are cunning in their deception. Allowing life to flourish, century upon century, letting us believe ourselves the masters of the cosmos. Then the truth becomes known. There are monsters in the dark spaces. And we are their prey."

Garrus: "If they're lucky, they grew up thinking the galaxy is basically a decent place.Some rough spots here and there, but for the most part, life makes sense. Now they find out it was all a lie. They wake up to see these things in the dark that just want to destroy everyone they ever cared about. If they survive, there'll be a lot of angry orphans out there looking for answers."

James Vega: "It's... not right. It looks pretty, calm and peaceful, but it's not right. It's all just an illusion." (...)
Shepard: "I can hardly believe it, myself. Like everything back on Earth was some kind of nightmare."

Shepard: "Have you heard anything about Earth?"
Ashley: "We have reports going in all the time on what is going on. Half are wild speculation, and half are probably too optimistic to be true."
Shepard: "We have to believe that we can do something."
Ashley: "When I thought you were dead, I lost hope. I'm telling you."
Ashley: "But when you came back? I was ready to believe anything."

[Kabooooom]

That's why I just end my game before the beam. Boom! Marauder Shields shoots Shep in the head. Sad day for everyone. The cycle continues, next cycle somehow uses Liara's little message to defeat the Reapers. Way better ending, lol.

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

a bunch of quotes

Quoting the game to prove a conspiracy theory is somewhat like quoting the Bible to prove the existence of God. Circular logic is circular.

Modifié par Kabooooom, 26 novembre 2012 - 06:12 .

[DoomsdayDevice]

Like I said in OP, I'm not trying to prove anything.

I'm just dropping some stuff that I think are clues, because someone asked.

[Argolas]

Kabooooom wrote...

Quoting the game to prove a conspiracy theory is somewhat like quoting the Bible to prove the existence of God. Circular logic is circular.

Now that's some logic I don't get. Quoting the Bible to prove the existance of God is circular logic because the bible presumes that god exists. Quoting the game to prove a conspiracy theory is not circular logic because the game does not presume that there is a conspiracy.

[Davik Kang]

Kabooooom wrote...
Quoting the game to prove a conspiracy theory is somewhat like quoting the Bible to prove the existence of God. Circular logic is circular. 

No friend, that's just horribly wrong.  Quoting the Bible to prove the existence of God only proves the existence of God in the Bible itself.

DD is not trying to use ME3 to prove something exists outside of ME3.  He's using in-game evidence to prove, or at least evince, something that is in the game.

Modifié par Davik Kang, 26 novembre 2012 - 06:19 .

[Kabooooom]

Now that's some logic I don't get. Quoting the Bible to prove the existance of God is circular logic because the bible presumes that god exists. Quoting the game to prove a conspiracy theory is not circular logic because the game does not presume that there is a conspiracy.

No, but if one presents something from the game as evidence that is subjective, and then subsequently presents other subjective evidence from the game to support the former subjective evidence rather than pursuing an outside source. That is somewhat circular, like I said.

DD is not trying to use ME3 to prove something exists outside of ME3.
 He's using in-game evidence to prove, or at least evince, something
that is in the game.

A conspiracy theory involving deliberate deception from the writers involves necessarily proving the existence of said deception outside of the game itself.

Modifié par Kabooooom, 26 novembre 2012 - 06:25 .

[Linkenski]

Think about it. How could bioware continue this warstory about the reaper war? We are already at earth, and shepard lost so many friends, and i don't see how ME4 isn't going to suck if it's a continuation of ME3's story. Sorry, but this theory is BS. It won't happen and i can assure you and everyone else believing this of that.

[Candidate 88766]

So not only do you believe that Bioware chose not to end the Mass Effect trilogy within the Mass Effect trilogy, but that they will also charge us the price of an entire new game just so we can see the ending, and that they can somehow make a full-length game out of ME4 when Shepard is already on Earth and the story can be wrapped up in an hour?

And you think that all of this is somehow a good thing?

Regardless of what 'clues' you think you've found, basic common sense tells you that you're wrong.

You cannot seriously believe that Bioware is putting up with all of this bad publicity, from fans and the gaming media alike, for the sake of a surprise that, if true, has already been ruined and discussed to death. I cannot fathom how people still believe that Bioware has the 'real ending' hidden up their sleeves. The game has been out for over nine months. Its time to let it go. For your own sake, just let it go. 

Modifié par Candidate 88766, 26 novembre 2012 - 06:29 .

[McAllyster]

This theory could be true - but not because Bioware planned IT.

IT seems the only escape route if they really want to do a sequel. I've only hope - Casey and the other folks are clever people... maybe they just need time to realize the flaws of their beloved endings.

Time will tell.

[Davik Kang]

Kabooooom wrote...
A conspiracy theory involving deliberate deception from the writers involves necessarily proving the existence of said deception outside of the game itself.

No it really doesn't.  That's like saying a film with a hidden meaning, or illusory scenes, needs the makers to come out and explain the hidden meaning, or tell everybody that certain scenes were imaginary.