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[Maxster_]

Ithurael wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

Ithurael wrote...

LeandroBraz wrote...

All I need is one argument, and it wasn't even necessary.

- A lot of people didn't liked the end
- A lot of people liked the IT
- A lot of people don't buy DLCs because of the ending.

Now, you want me to believe that EA is allowing Bioware to loose money, by keeping us in the dark, thinking that the end is what it is? A DLC solving this would be PRIORITY, they wouldn't be investing money yet on something that people are upset about, and that a lot of people loose interest..



Wake up child, you are dreaming...

Leviathan was teh highest selling DLC to date...

...

And this is false. Of course it is not 100% correct, but given majority of sales of ME series is on Xbox platform...
Well, they lied... again

*Stats stuff*

Levy was the highest selling ME related DLC to date. you are showing JUST Xbox rating data - not sales. Do you know where we can actually get the sales figures? I am actually very interested to see if what Priestly said was BS or real :happy:

(Though, I guess we can assume that - from the rating - at least 8,438 ppl bought levy dlc)

You are wrong. That list is not by rating.
This one is. Guess what? Lair of Shadow Broker goes first(ME related).

You missed the point of that list - it is sort by best selling. Unless you are implying that Microsoft deliberately lying.

And no, Microsoft does not showing real number of sales, only relative comparison. But this is enough, unless you are saying that reception of ME3 is vastly different for different platforms.

[KingZayd]

I wish...

Even if they were initially planning something like IT, I doubt they are now.

[Lieber]

So this is basically an even more twisted version of IT.

*yawn* I have to say, I'm excited for Omega.

[DoomsdayDevice]

From Ashes - Eden Prime - The three datapads:

Resistance Information Update

We've gotten word from our source within Eden Prime's resistance movement that we can expect an attack on our security center between 2200 and 2300 tomorrow night. They're pulling in forces from across the colony--this gives us the perfect chance to destroy their Leadership.
Once the attack is contained, allow Dr. William Cambiata to escape, firing near-miss shots to keep it realistic. He's given us good information, and with luck, the locals will see him as a daring hero and the only man to escape the Cerberus trap. They might even put him in charge!

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Troop Deployment Update

Local resistance is heavy in the south and west sections of the colony. We've pulled most of our troops from the north neighbourhoods to assist. All remaining troops in the north neighbourhood: continue standard patrol activities to maintain the illusion of a large presence in that area. If the locals knew we were understaffed, they could do some serious damage.

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Processing Update

We've taken more able-bodied men and women from pacified neighbourhoods. The colonists generally have accepted the story that they have gone to perform tedious but safe manual labor in a Cerberus research camp on the other side of the planet, and when we increased food rations as "payment for the work", most of the complaints died out.
Maintain the story as long as possible. We don't have the manpower to fight the entire colony, and if these families knew they were never going to see their sons and daughters again, there's no way they'd cooperate.

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 26 novembre 2012 - 09:01 .

[archangel1996]

Lieber wrote...

So this is basically an even more twisted version of IT.

*yawn* I have to say, I'm excited for Omega.

Me too! I Hope it will be gratis soon! or at least at 100 MP...then maybe i will buy it

Modifié par archangel1996, 26 novembre 2012 - 08:59 .

[AlanC9]

Davik Kang wrote...

Sorry pal, the evidence is anything but sketchy.  Why did some of us come to the conclusion it was indoctrination the very first time we played?  I'm not at all the sort that generally puts stuff like that together before the reveal.

I've read it. It's sketchy.

[archangel1996]

AlanC9 wrote...

Davik Kang wrote...

Sorry pal, the evidence is anything but sketchy.  Why did some of us come to the conclusion it was indoctrination the very first time we played?  I'm not at all the sort that generally puts stuff like that together before the reveal.

I've read it. It's sketchy.

Did you really read it? and do you really believe that it is sketchy?
Well then close the topic, cuz it's sketchy

Modifié par archangel1996, 26 novembre 2012 - 09:01 .

[AlanC9]

archangel1996 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Davik Kang wrote...

Sorry pal, the evidence is anything but sketchy.  Why did some of us come to the conclusion it was indoctrination the very first time we played?  I'm not at all the sort that generally puts stuff like that together before the reveal.

I've read it. It's sketchy.

Did you really read it? and do you really believe that it is sketchy?
Well then close the topic, cuz it's sketchy

Hey, if Davik wants to post that it isn't sketchy, I can post that it is. Both opinions are equally worthless.

The sketchiness of the evidence is off-topic anyway. Sketchy evidence would only prove that Bio botched the implementation of their plan, if IT was the plan. And if Bio never planned IT it wouldn't prove anything at all except that you folks have always been kidding yourselves. (Assuming you're an ITer; that is)

Modifié par AlanC9, 26 novembre 2012 - 09:09 .

[Yaos]

I'm still looking for anything different from IT in this thread. Wtf?

[archangel1996]

I would prove that BW has successfully created an illogical and stupid ending

Modifié par archangel1996, 26 novembre 2012 - 09:11 .

[Doctoglethorpe]

Assuming certain dialog has secret double meanings eh?

Ah, the good ol' painting a target around a dart in the wall and calling it fate.

Kinda wish it was true, but yeah, no, doubt it.

[Nightwriter]

Davik Kang wrote...

Why did some of us come to the conclusion it was indoctrination the very first time we played? 

Desperation?

Modifié par Nightwriter, 26 novembre 2012 - 09:11 .

[UrgentArchengel]

While I do think that there is, most definitely something else going on. I'm not betting anything until every single piece of DLC is finished, and we get an idea of what ME4 is, if it is ME4.

[DoomsdayDevice]

The thing is, people are assuming that Bioware is just making things up as they go along, and that they could have never planned or foreshadowed any of this, while in fact they were preparing us for this all along.

Look at this dialogue from ME2 and tell me you don't see how that relates to the ending.

This is from Legion's loyalty mission, the part where you need to choose between rewriting and destroying the heretics. Here's what your squad mates say.

Jack: "Wow. great choices. Genocide or Brainwashing. If you screwed with my head, made me nod and smile at everything...I'd rather you blew my head off. Let me die as me."

Samara: "Either way what makes these Geth individuals, dies. If you change who someone is, how they think, you have killed them. They will be something new in the same body."

Thane: "There is no moral difference between the two. If you change who the Heretic are, you have "killed" them...killed their perspective."

Kasumi: "Either way the Heretics are wiped out. Killed or remade. What is the difference?"

Jacob: "Changing their personality is the same as killing them...who they are is gone."

Even Grunt: "Kill them or pull their teeth, whats the difference? They're killed both ways. Take away their fighting spirit, what else matters?"

Garrus: "That sounds dangerously close to Indoctrination, unless there is something i am missing. Maybe this is how AIs settle religious disputes."

Shepard: "I wouldnt brainwash an organic race, I can't see treating the Geth differently."

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Look at this dialogue from Project Overlord, and tell me you don't see how it relates to the ending:

Gavin Archer: This is a hybrid intelligence the likes of which I have never seen. I don't know where the man ends and the machine begins.

Shepard: You should have considered that before you started the experiment.
_______________________________________________

Gavin Archer: I'm begging you, don't do anything rash.

Shepard: Rash? Like forcing your brother into an experiment?

Gavin Archer: I know how this must look, but I never intended any harm to come to him. You must believe me
______________________________________________

Gavin Archer: Any war we fight with the Geth will be bloody. I was asked to find a way to avoid that.

Shepard: Who gave you the right to play God?

Gavin Archer: People who were too afraid to make difficult decisions themselves. When they pray for a miracle, they're really praying for men like me to make the tough choices. If my work spares a million mothers morning the loss of a million sons, my conscience will rest easy.
_______________________________________________

Gavin Archer: It would be the perfect weapon. -- Victory without casualties! We could avoid war with the Geth altogether. That was the plan, anyway.
_______________________________________________

Shepard: What went wrong with the experiment?

Gavin Archer: David volunteered to interface with the VI to give it genuine consciousness. Theoretically it should have been safe, but... with artificial intelligence there is no such thing as safe.

Shepard: Then you shouldn't have attempted it.

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 26 novembre 2012 - 09:43 .

[DextroDNA]

I stopped to reply at "It will continue in Mass Effect 4, which will be a direct sequel, and it will be about Shepard"

Bioware have confirmed that the next game ISN'T about Shepard and will take a new plot.

[Maxster_]

The things is, people are assuming that Bioware is just making things up as they go along, and that they could have never planned or foreshadowed any of this, while in fact they were preparing us for this all along.

And this is of course false.
Garbage writing started with ME2(lazarus, terminator) but ME3 outdone that by orders of magnitude, with horrible intro, Crucible, Cerberus Empire, Cerberus coup(shipped with Udina self-betrayal for lulz), Kai something, Thessia, priority:earth.

EAWare never planned anything, instead, their writing quality dropped very low nowadays.

[The Heretic of Time]

DoomsdayDevice, whatever it is you're smoking, I want some of that stuff too! Please send some of that good stuff to The Netherlands and make a good ol' hanar happy!

[Restrider]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

DoomsdayDevice, whatever it is you're smoking, I want some of that stuff too! Please send some of that good stuff to The Netherlands and make a good ol' hanar happy!

As if you didn't have good stuff in the Netherlands.

Modifié par Restrider, 26 novembre 2012 - 09:52 .

[DoomsdayDevice]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

DoomsdayDevice, whatever it is you're smoking, I want some of that stuff too! Please send some of that good stuff to The Netherlands and make a good ol' hanar happy!

What, the global financial crisis hit so hard you guys ran out of stuff to smoke?

Try some of that Bioware stuff. It's called Syntheshizzle. Circuitboard leaf, real tasty.

[Evo_9]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

The thing is, people are assuming that Bioware is just making things up as they go along, and that they could have never planned or foreshadowed any of this, while in fact they were preparing us for this all along.

Look at this dialogue from ME2 and tell me you don't see how that relates to the ending.

This is from Legion's loyalty mission, the part where you need to choose between rewriting and destroying the heretics. Here's what your squad mates say.

Jack: "Wow. great choices. Genocide or Brainwashing. If you screwed with my head, made me nod and smile at everything...I'd rather you blew my head off. Let me die as me."

Samara: "Either way what makes these Geth individuals, dies. If you change who someone is, how they think, you have killed them. They will be something new in the same body."

Thane: "There is no moral difference between the two. If you change who the Heretic are, you have "killed" them...killed their perspective."

Kasumi: "Either way the Heretics are wiped out. Killed or remade. What is the difference?"

Jacob: "Changing their personality is the same as killing them...who they are is gone."

Even Grunt: "Kill them or pull their teeth, whats the difference? They're killed both ways. Take away their fighting spirit, what else matters?"

Garrus: "That sounds dangerously close to Indoctrination, unless there is something i am missing. Maybe this is how AIs settle religious disputes."

Shepard: "I wouldnt brainwash an organic race, I can't see treating the Geth differently."

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Look at this dialogue from Project Overlord, and tell me you don't see how it relates to the ending:

Gavin Archer: This is a hybrid intelligence the likes of which I have never seen. I don't know where the man ends and the machine begins.

Shepard: You should have considered that before you started the experiment.
_______________________________________________

Gavin Archer: I'm begging you, don't do anything rash.

Shepard: Rash? Like forcing your brother into an experiment?

Gavin Archer: I know how this must look, but I never intended any harm to come to him. You must believe me
______________________________________________

Gavin Archer: Any war we fight with the Geth will be bloody. I was asked to find a way to avoid that.

Shepard: Who gave you the right to play God?

Gavin Archer: People who were too afraid to make difficult decisions themselves. When they pray for a miracle, they're really praying for men like me to make the tough choices. If my work spares a million mothers morning the loss of a million sons, my conscience will rest easy.
_______________________________________________

Gavin Archer: It would be the perfect weapon. -- Victory without casualties! We could avoid war with the Geth altogether. That was the plan, anyway.
_______________________________________________

Shepard: What went wrong with the experiment?

Gavin Archer: David volunteered to interface with the VI to give it genuine consciousness. Theoretically it should have been safe, but... with artificial intelligence there is no such thing as safe.

Shepard: Then you shouldn't have attempted it.

I agree.

Ive been saying all along, that the mass effect plot is too deep and complicated for the average gamer. It actually requires that you pay attention to every detail.

Most gamers out there need the plot to be obvious.....like the whole "oooooh he was CIA all along?? wow thats deep!!!" 

Modifié par Evo_9, 26 novembre 2012 - 10:00 .

[A Bethesda Fan]

Lieber wrote...

So this is basically an even more twisted version of IT.

*yawn* I have to say, I'm excited for Omega.

I don't know which is more ridiculous. 

[Applepie_Svk]

Only time will tell... but I must agree look at the Halo ...

[chidingewe8036]

ME4 will fail

Bioware has two choics at this point...........

Continue the war, bring everyone back, and show us the real true ending in "ME4" or Fail

Starting a new storyline with a brand new protagonist so earlier after ME3 is stupid very stupid on their part, they know how divided this fan base is and they know what a large majority of people want to see happen and that is a BRAND NEW ENDING if that has to bring Shepard back for one more game so be it. Then and only then can they completely focus on the next chapter with a clear concience.

[Wayning_Star]

fellow fans, lends me your eyes(ears if I could talk on here), the canon ending is..

ask biowarea.. they know and simply won't tell..or cannot.