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[TheImmortalBeaver]

I honestly don't think this is even close to being a real thing. Companies might over-hype a game pre-launch by making borderline lies in their advertising to try and sell more copies, but I am without any doubt that they'd flat-out lie about Shepard not being in ME4 as part of some large conspiracy. For as much as I love BioWare, I think that this is giving them to much credit.

Face it: If you don't like how ME3 played out, that's not going to change. Let it go.

[Joe Del Toro]

I'm not gonna lie, OP.

I like the cut of your jib

[Ithurael]

chidingewe8036 wrote...

ME4 will fail

Bioware has two choics at this point...........

Continue the war, bring everyone back, and show us the real true ending in "ME4" or Fail

Starting a new storyline with a brand new protagonist so earlier after ME3 is stupid very stupid on their part, they know how divided this fan base is and they know what a large majority of people want to see happen and that is a BRAND NEW ENDING if that has to bring Shepard back for one more game so be it. Then and only then can they completely focus on the next chapter with a clear concience.

they gave us a new ending. It was the EC. That gave us refuse and expanded RGB. If you don't like that then maybe IT is for you. IT ends at the breath scene just like high-ems Destroy. If you want closure though, go for the literal ending. If you want an ending that makes some sense go for IT. If you don't like either...sry

If you really think shep is going to be in ME4...even AFTER he was confirmed not to be.

[Vinny]

The theory used to fit with the facts, now it's the opposite.

[Ithurael]

Consider the darkness breached...
:wizard:

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...


1. Our 'victory' is an illusion. No matter what ending you picked.
2. The war is not over.
3. It will continue in Mass Effect 4, which will be a direct sequel, and it will be about Shepard.
4. The Reapers have not been defeated.
5. Bioware is intentionally feeding us misinformation. (Yes, even this is explained in game)
6. As far as Bioware is concerned, controllers and synthesizers have been pacified.
7. As far as Bioware is concerned, the reveal of what actually happens in these endings is not something that should be mourned. Naivety is not a thing that should be rewarded. In short: you fell for it, lol.
8. Indoctrination Theory is largely correct.
9. The destroy option is there, not because the "catalyst" offers it, but because it is the solution that is on Shepard's mind. It's what Shepard thinks the Crucible will do. The "catalyst" can't change that.
10. Choosing destroy is Shepard's struggle, his physical and violent reaction to the attempt to control him.
11. There are not as many Reapers as we think there are. They concentrated the bulk of their forces in the most heavily populated areas of the galaxy and are patrolling the less populated regions to keep up the illusion of a large presence. If we knew they were not with as many as we thought, we could do some serious damage. I do think this means the path to a more conventional victory is open. Forget about the crucible.
12. Why the deception? If players knew they were done for when picking certain endings, they would never pick any of these choices. Bioware wants players to fall for it, only to blow their minds with a reveal later.
13. There will be a battle on Earth, in the city where Earthborn Shepard grew up in. I'm not sure what city that is, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was Rio de Janeiro.

Will Bioware reveal it during this DLC cycle, or do we have to wait until ME4? I don't know.

Nice. I just hope they can patch up Shepard for ME4. And for those who say that BW said "No more Shepard."

I don't care what they said. -- it would be a great move and would sell.

Battle should be in Novrosibirsk. That's where Earthborn Shepard grew up.

[Vlk3]

@DoomsdayDevice, the examples of conversations from ME2 DLC's only show that Synthesis and Control are just endings that Shepard shouldn't choose to stay true to himself/herself.

I doubt it is foreshadowing of ME4 game and indoctrination theory. As well as other examples you've posted. Though I like to think that only destroy, which is the only ending I choose, is a real ending and the rest is a succesful indoctrination.

ME4 could follow the events after destroy, without making this ending canon. In case of Control and Synthesis, the events from ME4 can't take place, because the Universe is so different, that there's no point in continuing the story. Synthesis is a fairy tale, so there's no place for bad things like criminals taking over colonies, slavers, alien hostile races... Control - Shepalyst with his/her Reaper army is threatening all those, who are doing something against his beliefs, so no place for such things either. And Leviathans can be dealt with easily, as there are only a few of them.

Destroy, on the other hand, leaves a dark, ruined Universe, where there are many opportunities for decent stories, new heroes, anti - heroes, new threats and problems. Making the game which takes place after destroy does not mean the other endings would become invalid.

[DoomsdayDevice]

Misterpinky0 wrote...

Face it: If you don't like how ME3 played out, that's not going to change. Let it go.

Yeah, and that's the funny part.

I've been convinced I was being indoctrinated ever since I first played the game.

I -LOVE- the ending. It blew my freaking mind to realize I had beaten indoctrination.

I didn't trust the child, I felt manipulated, so I picked destroy.

So no, I don't hate the ending, I think it's the most genius ending ever.

And I don't give a damn about closure, because I would find it just as genius if they left it ambiguous forever. (And I've been thinking they would for the longest time.) I never really believed in the reveal, but the game is just hitting you in the face with it all the time. It really takes a playthrough or three before you notice all the really subtle stuff.

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 26 novembre 2012 - 10:24 .

[Heimdall]

chidingewe8036 wrote...

ME4 will fail

Bioware has two choics at this point...........

Continue the war, bring everyone back, and show us the real true ending in "ME4" or Fail

Starting a new storyline with a brand new protagonist so earlier after ME3 is stupid very stupid on their part, they know how divided this fan base is and they know what a large majority of people want to see happen and that is a BRAND NEW ENDING if that has to bring Shepard back for one more game so be it. Then and only then can they completely focus on the next chapter with a clear concience.

I think you vastly overestimate how many people share your desires.  A large number of us just want to move past ME3 and leave it in the past, Shepard with it.

Modifié par Lord Aesir, 26 novembre 2012 - 10:28 .

[jstme]

OP, i know that it is hard to grasp that Mass Effect trilogy was terminated in the way it happened - but this is the way developers really wanted to end it. I do not know why ,nobody besides them knows it.
But this is how it is going to stay.
DLCs will continue to clarify the ending, this was the plan from the start. To make endings vague on purpose and sell explanations later. But there is no IT, Shepard stopped reapers via Catalyst RGB magic as far as official canon is concerned.
If you have a PC - check MEHEM mod. Makes it all easier and there is no need to wait for ME4 only to get hopes crashed.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

A large number do, but a very large number want a better ending for Shepard, and if it takes another game to do it, so be it. Embrace IT.

The ending of ME3 doesn't need clarification. It's crap. Pure and unadulterated hog excrement. All the DLC in the world isn't going to change that fact.

Modifié par sH0tgUn jUliA, 26 novembre 2012 - 10:29 .

[DoomsdayDevice]

@DoomsdayDevice, the examples of conversations from ME2 DLC's only show that Synthesis and Control are just endings that Shepard shouldn't choose to stay true to himself/herself.

I doubt it is foreshadowing of ME4 game and indoctrination theory.

Those quotes were not meant to illustrate that.

Those particular quotes were meant to illustrate that Bioware definitely was preparing ahead for the ending.

That was in response to people saying Bioware didn't plan the ending.

Nowhere did I claim it proves indoctrination or ME4 sequel.

[Heimdall]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

@DoomsdayDevice, the examples of conversations from ME2 DLC's only show that Synthesis and Control are just endings that Shepard shouldn't choose to stay true to himself/herself.

I doubt it is foreshadowing of ME4 game and indoctrination theory.

Those quotes were not meant to illustrate that.

Those particular quotes were meant to illustrate that Bioware definitely was preparing ahead for the ending.

That was in response to people saying Bioware didn't plan the ending.

Nowhere did I claim it proves indoctrination or ME4 sequel.

Those quotes don't prove that Bioware planned the endings.  It only proves that they glanced back at their previous work when coming up with them.  A pity they didn't do a better job of staying thematically consistent.

[GreyLycanTrope]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...
The ending of ME3 doesn't need clarification. It's crap. Pure and unadulterated hog excrement. All the DLC in the world isn't going to change that fact.

Not unless that DLC is an alternate ending.

[Joe Del Toro]

Greylycantrope wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...
The ending of ME3 doesn't need clarification. It's crap. Pure and unadulterated hog excrement. All the DLC in the world isn't going to change that fact.

Not unless that DLC is an alternate ending.

Or chocolate

[GreyLycanTrope]

Joe Del Toro wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...
The ending of ME3 doesn't need clarification. It's crap. Pure and unadulterated hog excrement. All the DLC in the world isn't going to change that fact.

Not unless that DLC is an alternate ending.

Or chocolate

All Reapers turn into chocolate! 

[Maxster_]

Greylycantrope wrote...

Joe Del Toro wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...
The ending of ME3 doesn't need clarification. It's crap. Pure and unadulterated hog excrement. All the DLC in the world isn't going to change that fact.

Not unless that DLC is an alternate ending.

Or chocolate

All Reapers turn into chocolate! 

And Shepard must eat it all by himself. It will be glorious!

[GreyLycanTrope]

Day one purchase right there.

[Argolas]

Lord Aesir wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

@DoomsdayDevice, the examples of conversations from ME2 DLC's only show that Synthesis and Control are just endings that Shepard shouldn't choose to stay true to himself/herself.

I doubt it is foreshadowing of ME4 game and indoctrination theory.

Those quotes were not meant to illustrate that.

Those particular quotes were meant to illustrate that Bioware definitely was preparing ahead for the ending.

That was in response to people saying Bioware didn't plan the ending.

Nowhere did I claim it proves indoctrination or ME4 sequel.

Those quotes don't prove that Bioware planned the endings.  It only proves that they glanced back at their previous work when coming up with them.  A pity they didn't do a better job of staying thematically consistent.

Those quotes are not meant to prove anything. I think that DD made that clear.

[AlanC9]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

The thing is, people are assuming that Bioware is just making things up as they go along, and that they could have never planned or foreshadowed any of this, while in fact they were preparing us for this all along.

Bio has always said that they were making things up as they go along. I'm not assuming that Bio was making it up as they went along, I'm assuming that Bio's writers are not lying when they say that they were making it up as they went along.

Of course, they may have been lying to us for all these months. It's not inconceivable that they would have embarked on such a silly and self-destructive course of action.

Modifié par AlanC9, 26 novembre 2012 - 10:46 .

[Heimdall]

Argolas wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

@DoomsdayDevice, the examples of conversations from ME2 DLC's only show that Synthesis and Control are just endings that Shepard shouldn't choose to stay true to himself/herself.

I doubt it is foreshadowing of ME4 game and indoctrination theory.

Those quotes were not meant to illustrate that.

Those particular quotes were meant to illustrate that Bioware definitely was preparing ahead for the ending.

That was in response to people saying Bioware didn't plan the ending.

Nowhere did I claim it proves indoctrination or ME4 sequel.

Those quotes don't prove that Bioware planned the endings.  It only proves that they glanced back at their previous work when coming up with them.  A pity they didn't do a better job of staying thematically consistent.

Those quotes are not meant to prove anything. I think that DD made that clear.

DD claimed that they illustrate that Bioware was planning ahead for the ending.  They do not.

[Ithurael]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

And I don't give a damn about closure, because I would find it just as genius if they left it ambiguous forever. (And I've been thinking they would for the longest time.) I never really believed in the reveal, but the game is just hitting you in the face with it all the time. It really takes a playthrough or three before you notice all the really subtle stuff.

If you don't care about closure, why make a thread calling it that bioware will do an IT Reveal or an IT esque release? Also, I have seen you post in the IT thread that you don't care/want a Project X or IT dlc but you want shep alive in ME4 (shep is only alive in destroy/IT endings).

So, question of the day, if you do not care about closure/IT reveal. Why post a thread about it only to say you don't care about it?

Either you do want an IT reveal or you don't.

(no BM intended)

[DoomsdayDevice]

Ithurael wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

And I don't give a damn about closure, because I would find it just as genius if they left it ambiguous forever. (And I've been thinking they would for the longest time.) I never really believed in the reveal, but the game is just hitting you in the face with it all the time. It really takes a playthrough or three before you notice all the really subtle stuff.

If you don't care about closure, why make a thread calling it that bioware will do an IT Reveal or an IT esque release? Also, I have seen you post in the IT thread that you don't care/want a Project X or IT dlc but you want shep alive in ME4 (shep is only alive in destroy/IT endings).

So, question of the day, if you do not care about closure/IT reveal. Why post a thread about it only to say you don't care about it?

Either you do want an IT reveal or you don't.

(no BM intended)

Well sure, I do care about it. This is my favourite game series, and I would love it if Shepard's story continues.

But that's not what I meant to say.

I meant to say I'm not one of those people who were frustrated about the endings because they didn't get to see the blue babies or the house on Rannoch or because they do not know what happens with Shepard after the breath scene. I never had a problem with the open ending-ness.

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 26 novembre 2012 - 10:58 .

[Wowky]

As great as this theory (and every other IT/puzzle-based theory out there) is, and as much as I would like it to be true, my biggest argument against it is: time. It has been over six months since the release of ME3, and I just can't see a company being able to be that amazingly air-tight such that this plan wasn't leaked already. All we have is fan-based conjecture, surely if this were actually what was happening, someone would have opened their mouths by now (even unintentionally)

[The Heretic of Time]

Restrider wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

DoomsdayDevice, whatever it is you're smoking, I want some of that stuff too! Please send some of that good stuff to The Netherlands and make a good ol' hanar happy!

As if you didn't have good stuff in the Netherlands.

Well my stuff doesn't make me see/think/do/say crazy things, it only gets me stoned. So I'd like to try some of that good sh*t that Doomsday is using. 

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 27 novembre 2012 - 01:20 .