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[iOnlySignIn]

It depends on whether it's a strategically advantageous move for the Qunari. It doesn't have to be, especially given Thedas's current state of chaotic infighting. 

There are greater threats in Thedas to Qunari victory than the Tevinters. Namely Orlais, the Chantry, the (rebelled) Circle Mages, Darkspawn, Demons, etc. etc.

A great impetus of Byzantium's fall is the Fourth Crusade. We don't have that in Thedas yet.

Modifié par iOnlySignIn, 27 novembre 2012 - 12:56 .

[ImperatorMortis]

Nope.

The Imperium has lasted through a lot of ****. The First Blight, Qunari, Stupid Andraste. If anything this Mage vs Templar conflict will only make them stronger.

[The Teyrn of Whatever]

Androme wrote...

I hope the Qunari gets slaughtered.

No matter what, if it comes to war between the Imperium and the Qunari, both sides will bleed rivers of blood.

[The Teyrn of Whatever]

ImperatorMortis wrote...

Nope.

The Imperium has lasted through a lot of ****. The First Blight, Qunari, Stupid Andraste. If anything this Mage vs Templar conflict will only make them stronger.

"Stupid Andraste". Is that her official name now?

[The Teyrn of Whatever]

xsdob wrote...

They've been slowly declining since the first civil war between magisters for the rank of archon broke out hundreds of years ago.

It will end the same way rome did, slowly with much fracturing and warfare.

... and as with Rome it could take a really, really long time.

[xsdob]

The Teryn of Whatever wrote...

xsdob wrote...

They've been slowly declining since the first civil war between magisters for the rank of archon broke out hundreds of years ago.

It will end the same way rome did, slowly with much fracturing and warfare.

... and as with Rome it could take a really, really long time.

The qunari seem to have a lot of patience.

Things like a nation collapsing take time, they've already lose large swaths of territory after the rise of the chantry, seeing fereldian, than antiva, than the free marches, than the blight tearing their territories up, and now the qunari slowly advancing.

People are saying that it's been around for over such and such years as a reason it will stand, but no kingdom has lated forever, espically the older ones. The imperium will fall, whether it is in the next few years, decades, centuries, or millenia is still up for debate, but it will cruble and new nations will arise from the fall.

[mousestalker]

Only one thing is truly inevitable, the Imperiums demise isn't it.

[Medhia Nox]

New Par Volen
was once old Tevinter
Now it's New Par Volen
And not old Tevinter.

Just got defeated
Bad old Tevinter
Now it's reading the Qun
By the light of the moon.

[hexaligned]

Maybe eventually, the war with the Qunari has been going on for what, a century now? The Qunari have barely been able to hold on to a beachhead, what territory they do gain, they lose back just as fast. I don't expect to see them sweeping across the country anytime soon. Let alone being able to hold it against the rest of the nations assuming they ever get that far.

[Xilizhra]

To be frank, I hope we get to bolster Tevinter. They may suck, but the qunari are worse, and they spread.

[Scipio203]

What if the Tevinter pull a Lincoln and declare an Emancipation Proclamation of sorts for the Elven slaves, so that they could be used to bolster the armies?

[Vit246]

I think that this time, history will not repeat itself and the "Ottoman Turks" will fail to conquer the "Byzantine Empire".

[Zardoc]

The Imperium overcomes and we are the Imperium!




...wait, wrong game...

[ImperatorMortis]

Zardoc wrote...

The Imperium overcomes and we are the Imperium!




...wait, wrong game...

Nah you've got it right.







All Magisters baby. 

Modifié par ImperatorMortis, 27 novembre 2012 - 06:09 .

[labargegrrrl]

i'm inferring more heavily from a few assumptions drawn from lore than from rw history models here, so please don't take this as too heavy...

but...

let's look at the record:

they started as a rising kingdom...
then became conquering empire...
were fighting against the 1st blight when no one even knew HOW to yet (karmic, ik, and the wardens had to really get the job done, but still...)
survived the civil war/revolution andraste brought...
became one of the nations under the divine...
then adapted that religion and broke away...
drove back a HUGE exalted march over it...
then turned around and ALLIED with those same nations to join the exalted march against the qunari...
and have still managed to keep the qunari out of mainland tevintir...
as well as forcing the qunari to hold seheron only as a disputed territory...

that's the SHORT list. i'm not saying even the strongest empires can't fall, b/c i don't think that's the case, but i'm pretty sure that the old TE would be a challenge to take down, at best.

[Zardoc]

ImperatorMortis wrote...

Zardoc wrote...

The Imperium overcomes and we are the Imperium!




...wait, wrong game...

Nah you've got it right.

-snip

-snip-

-snip.

All Magisters baby. 

You know, all the people whining how bad the mages have it in DA should take a look at WH40k. Unless you're an Inquisitor, Librarian or Grey Knight, life as a psyker in the Imperium f'cking sucks ass.

[Celene II]

The Qunari will fail because of their societal rigidity. They have an army, they have technology, and they have much of the population brainwashed.

Any nation that has no upper mobility will eventually be overthrown. Enemies from outside and enemies with in, they will fall.

Live long Tal-Vashoth

[ImperatorMortis]

Zardoc wrote...

You know, all the people whining how bad the mages have it in DA should take a look at WH40k. Unless you're an Inquisitor, Librarian or Grey Knight, life as a psyker in the Imperium f'cking sucks ass.

On the flip side. Life as a Psyker when you work for Chaos or if you're Eldar kicks ass. 

And to be fair Psykes in Warhammer 40k (While bloody awesome) are ridiculously dangerous. Mages in Dragon Age are no where near their level of dangerous.

Just by using their powers a Psyker can accidently **** **** up. Unless they're powerful of course. 

Modifié par ImperatorMortis, 27 novembre 2012 - 06:38 .

[Zerker]

In 40k lore, they have even better reasons to keep the psykers in check. There is an incredibly thin line between the Imperium Psyker and Chaos Sorcerer.

I believe mages in DA universe are nowhere near that danger, sure there are some dangerous possibilites, but they can manage self governance.

[Drakar123]

Thinking about how I said a strong Archon could save the imperium...Don't we already have a perfect candidate ?Should Coryphesu go to Tevinter and attain a position of power(something he definitely could do.It has been explicitly stated that the magisters who went to the black city were the best and brightest tevinter had to offer and this was during it's golden age) he could potentially reverse the tide of the whole war with the qunari.He can control the darkspawn and potentially lead a Blight(even if not on the same level as a true archdemon).If the Imperium can enslave the darkspawn then I see them winning the war with the qunari without too much trouble.If not as soldiers the magisters could use all those darkspawn in a massive blood magic ritual(something Corypheus also has experience in).Never mind that they could use their newly aquired control of the darkspawn as a bargaining chip to get the dwarves and the grey wardens on their side.

[henkez3]

Drakar123 wrote...

Thinking about how I said a strong Archon could save the imperium...Don't we already have a perfect candidate ?Should Coryphesu go to Tevinter and attain a position of power(something he definitely could do.It has been explicitly stated that the magisters who went to the black city were the best and brightest tevinter had to offer and this was during it's golden age) he could potentially reverse the tide of the whole war with the qunari.He can control the darkspawn and potentially lead a Blight(even if not on the same level as a true archdemon).If the Imperium can enslave the darkspawn then I see them winning the war with the qunari without too much trouble.If not as soldiers the magisters could use all those darkspawn in a massive blood magic ritual(something Corypheus also has experience in).Never mind that they could use their newly aquired control of the darkspawn as a bargaining chip to get the dwarves and the grey wardens on their side.

I don't think the people of Tevinter would be very happy about a Archon that spreads death through the blight.

[Drakar123]

Maybe not but I can gauarantee you that they want this war with the qunari to end.As much as they hate the darkspawn,they would definitely prefer the darkspawn to be the ones who are dying instead of them.And I really doubt the magisters would object to the idea.They are pretty pragmatic.

[henkez3]

Drakar123 wrote...

Maybe not but I can gauarantee you that they want this war with the qunari to end.As much as they hate the darkspawn,they would definitely prefer the darkspawn to be the ones who are dying instead of them.And I really doubt the magisters would object to the idea.They are pretty pragmatic.

Yeah but he literally spreads death both to people and the land by his mere presence. That is a problem.

[Drakar123]

Not if he posesses the body of a grey warden.The darkspawn do yes but all you would have to do to prevent them from tainting the people of tevinter is to keep them in the deep roads.The magisters could send a few kossith women their way and they would have an army of ogres in no time.Now I am not sure if the deep roads go beneath seheron and par vollen but if they do then tevinter could just bypass the qunari navy(their greatest strength) and march through the deep roads to attack the qunari who would be totally unprepared for an attack from beneath them.