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[henkez3]

Drakar123 wrote...

Not if he posesses the body of a grey warden.The darkspawn do yes but all you would have to do to prevent them from tainting the people of tevinter is to keep them in the deep roads.The magisters could send a few kossith women their way and they would have an army of ogres in no time.Now I am not sure if the deep roads go beneath seheron and par vollen but if they do then tevinter could just bypass the qunari navy(their greatest strength) and march through the deep roads to attack the qunari who would be totally unprepared for an attack from beneath them.

True, but that is a very elaborate scheme... Which is totally the Imperium's MO.

But yeah I support the Tevinters in the Qunari conflict. They may be less than good themselves but the Qun is worse. Also I don't believe the chantry when they say the magisters corrupted the golden city, I believe Corypheus when he said that it was already corrupted.

Modifié par henkez3, 27 novembre 2012 - 11:30 .

[Drakar123]

I am personally a great supporter of the imperium.It has a few problems yes but it has the best political system in thedas in my opinion(although it could do with a few changes).Should the magisters unite and focus on fighting their enemy instead of each other,tevinter would reconquer thedas in no time.All they would have to do is send blood mages into every country and drive them to civil war with mind control until they are defenseless.I discussed this in the Your thoughts on Tevinter thread so if you would like to read my opinions in greater detail I suggest you go there.

[TheBlackAdder13]

Maddok900 wrote...

TheBlackAdder13 wrote...

The Tevinter Imperium is clearly inspired by the Byzantine Empire but I just don't see the Qunari or the Qun as anything like the Ottoman Turks. In fact, I can't think of any parallels other than the fact that they're constantly fighting with the Tevinter Imperium. As such, I don't think you can look at history to determine what's going to happen in the story.

Well, as someone who studied the history of Turkic Peoples for five years in college, I can relate the Qunari and the Ottoman Empire on more than a few traits.

Can you elaborate on what those traits are? I'm legitimately curious. The biggest things I can't get past are that Qunari are by no means nomadic and Islam seems to have pretty much nothing in common with the Qun, which seems a lot more Confucian to me if you're going to ascribe it to a real-world belief system. 

Modifié par TheBlackAdder13, 27 novembre 2012 - 01:06 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

Qunari winning?

If the war ever goes that bad, I see Tevinter using demon summoning and blood magic en-masse.
A hunderd abominations unleashed, armies of undead.

[Medhia Nox]

@ImperatorMortis: Concerning 40K Chaos psykers - you couldn't be more wrong.

But keep focusing on the insanely small handful of temporarily favored Chaos sorcerers that have a speck of time to "shine" before they're devoured by their favored god for eternal torment (a fact in the 40K universe)

Dragon Age mages have a lot of similarity to 40K psykers (or WHF wizards) in that they are inherently dangerous by simply being who they are - and for some reason the player base superimposes their own modern mentality about minorities on them - which is peculiar.

[Zerker]

TheBlackAdder13 wrote...

Maddok900 wrote...

TheBlackAdder13 wrote...

The Tevinter Imperium is clearly inspired by the Byzantine Empire but I just don't see the Qunari or the Qun as anything like the Ottoman Turks. In fact, I can't think of any parallels other than the fact that they're constantly fighting with the Tevinter Imperium. As such, I don't think you can look at history to determine what's going to happen in the story.

Well, as someone who studied the history of Turkic Peoples for five years in college, I can relate the Qunari and the Ottoman Empire on more than a few traits.

Can you elaborate on what those traits are? I'm legitimately curious. The biggest things I can't get past are that Qunari are by no means nomadic and Islam seems to have pretty much nothing in common with the Qun, which seems a lot more Confucian to me if you're going to ascribe it to a real-world belief system. 

Sure,
-By the time Ottomans started to deploy gunpowder, Turks were largely settled with the exception of some Turkmen families(Yörük) and a few CA folk arrived with the Mongol invasion still maintaining the nomadic habits.
-Lacking the concept of God, Qun is not very close to Islam. But it does resemble Ottoman&Seljuk takes on Islam, as well as some Islamic philosophies originating from Seljuk controlled Khorasan, both centering around conversion, assimilation, and occasionally, "everyone being an equal part of something greater" aka vahdet-i vücud. Though vahdet-i vücud does include a poetic and radical version of the whole God thing.

Those being said, there are some points Qunari can be associated with Seljuks&Ottomans,
-Concept of roles within the Qun largely resembles the Ottoman equivalent, where children chosen to serve the Empire are assigned roles based on their skills, intelligence, physical and personality traits. Roles vary from a simple soldier to vezir-i azam(Sultan's right hand). This is called Devshirme System for Christian kids, who are the core of Janissary corps.
-Qunari are newcomers to Thedas from a far land, seen as a horde of heathens, they immediately started to march on Tevinter. This is the exact same story between the Turks and Europe. Being constantly in war with Byzantines(Tevinter) for ages strongly supports this.
-Being the target of multiple crusades also resembles the exalted march on Qunari, also, them employing cannons and advanced gunpowder earlier than their rivals and getting associated with these weapons, this theme heavily suggests Ottoman influence on the concept. 
-Again, both as the result of Devshirme and the value given for the succesful conversion, foreign invidiuals assimilated into Islam did not receive any discrimination; on the contrary, these guys mostly formed up the core of the ruling class or filled special military roles. This reminds me of that Felicia Day dlc quite a lot actually.
-With their weird moustaches, eastern clothing and religious concept of spreading the faith through sword, Turks were pretty much heathens, warmongers or monsters for the Church, matching both the radical characteristics and Andastrian view on Qunari. Showing their "deep" side on occasion also points at the vast philosophical riches of the Seljuk era in my opinion, which is tend to be ignored.

There are a few more things that comes to mind; if anyone wants to make a project about nations of Thedas and the nations they are based on, I would be more than happy to contribute.

Modifié par Maddok900, 27 novembre 2012 - 11:00 .

[Scipio203]

"Writer David Gaider has stated that the Tevinter Imperium is loosely based on the real-world Roman Empire, especially in its later Byzantine period. They share a number of similarities: First of all, both the Roman and Tevinter Empire managed to conquer most of the continent in which they lay; secondly The Roman Empire executed Jesus for causing dissent in the same fashion as the Tevinter Imperium executed Andraste, both the Roman and Tevinter Empires would later adopt their respective prophets' teachings; as with the Orthodox and Roman Catholic wings of Christianity excommunicating each other, the Orlesian and Tevinter Chantries are in conflict with one another; Tevinter had several Exalted Marches called against it, just as the Byzantine Empire faced its own Crusades. Also, like the Roman Empire, the Imperium built many vast road networks and aqueducts. An example of this is the Imperial Highway seen in Dragon Age: Origins. Finally, Tevinter is standing alone against the Qunari, just as the Byzantine Empire fought alone for almost five centuries against the Seljuks first, and later the Ottomans."

This was taken from the DA Wiki, as to show where I found direct proof that the TI is indeed based off the Byzantine Empire and that the war between the TI and Qunari is based off the conflict between the Byzantines and Turks.

This is to stop those saying that the Byzantine/Ottoman connection has no basis...

Link: http://dragonage.wik...vinter_Imperium

Modifié par Scipio203, 27 novembre 2012 - 04:32 .

[Huntress]

Scipio203 wrote...

 Is the war between the Qunari and the Tevinter Imperium going to lead to the defeat of the Imperium?

The reason I ask this is because as most of us know, the TI is loosely (and I mean as loose as a 16th century Venetian **** ) based off the Byzantine Empire, and the Qunari are (even more) loosely based off the Seljuk Turks/Ottoman Empire. One does not have to be a historian to know that the Byzantines eventually lost the Ottomans. It took a painstakingly long time, but the Byzantines did lose. 

Now, I just want to acknowledege the possibility that Bioware may follow history, and ultimately cause a Qunari victory. Maybe not in DA3, or even DA4, but eventually.

Thoughts?

Interesting thought!
I always saw the Tevinter Imperial as a skeleton of the Roman Empire, and like wise it will collapsed under its own weight, partly due to external pressures.
The external pressures are  various invading tribes, barbarian.. ect.

In my mind I see a Tevinter Imperial who has many problems, such as bad government ( powerful mages) corruptions and I bet 100 gold coins that it has his own little civil wars and self-interested governors running provinces for their own benefit instead of the tevinter people.

or maybe not.. maybe they have a crazy blood-mage who dance naked under the moon and has the ability to mind control the soon to be inquisitors and destroy them with her thoughts!.. meh sounds about right.

Modifié par Huntress, 27 novembre 2012 - 04:42 .

[esper]

Scipio203 wrote...

"Writer David Gaider has stated that the Tevinter Imperium is loosely based on the real-world Roman Empire, especially in its later Byzantine period. They share a number of similarities: First of all, both the Roman and Tevinter Empire managed to conquer most of the continent in which they lay; secondly The Roman Empire executed Jesus for causing dissent in the same fashion as the Tevinter Imperium executed Andraste, both the Roman and Tevinter Empires would later adopt their respective prophets' teachings; as with the Orthodox and Roman Catholic wings of Christianity excommunicating each other, the Orlesian and Tevinter Chantries are in conflict with one another; Tevinter had several Exalted Marches called against it, just as the Byzantine Empire faced its own Crusades. Also, like the Roman Empire, the Imperium built many vast road networks and aqueducts. An example of this is the Imperial Highway seen in Dragon Age: Origins. Finally, Tevinter is standing alone against the Qunari, just as the Byzantine Empire fought alone for almost five centuries against the Seljuks first, and later the Ottomans."

This was taken from the DA Wiki, as to show where I found direct proof that the TI is indeed based off the Byzantine Empire and that the war between the TI and Qunari is based off the conflict between the Byzantines and Turks.

This is to stop those saying that the Byzantine/Ottoman connection has no basis...

Link: http://dragonage.wik...vinter_Imperium

If it is the same way Thedas is loosely based on Medivial Europe, then it is not an comparison that makes me lose any sleep.

[MassStorm]

Hope not i love Tevinter and would love to go there in one of the future games and possibly be a powerful Magister.

[Scipio203]

esper wrote...

If it is the same way Thedas is loosely based on Medivial Europe, then it is not an comparison that makes me lose any sleep.

But this exactly my point. 

Thedas does seem to be based off of Medieval Europe, but my question is will the ultimate outcome of all the nations of Thedas then be predictable? Is Bioware going to simply take Medieval history and repeat it for Thedas' nations?

[esper]

Scipio203 wrote...

esper wrote...

If it is the same way Thedas is loosely based on Medivial Europe, then it is not an comparison that makes me lose any sleep.

But this exactly my point. 

Thedas does seem to be based off of Medieval Europe, but my question is will the ultimate outcome of all the nations of Thedas then be predictable? Is Bioware going to simply take Medieval history and repeat it for Thedas' nations?

I hope not. The world will be boring if it is exactly like ours. I would much rather see Thedas develop in a way logical for Thedas. Beside Tevinter has already survived its own collapse, it would be sad to see it go, at least untill we have had a game placed there.

[Huntress]

MassStorm wrote...

Hope not i love Tevinter and would love to go there in one of the future games and possibly be a powerful Magister.

Well you have to see the reallity of it, the tevinter imperial is dieying and what was making it going was the large amount of slaves  they once had, remember how they had to pay loghain to buy elves? why? because the dalish groups are too small, too few and camp far from each others. so removing the arms of the monster means?.. it will starve and die.

Ok just to stop the whining before it start this "slaves" not only were elves ( wich not one in thedas give a danm about) but mages too, The Circles crippled tevinter slavers from capturing more mages.

Then is the war with the barbarians and now is war everywere.. Not sure if this war is a good thing for them or a bad thing.. why? simple, they have the qunari in "check" but if noises start at their back... see what could happen? They'll change their focus and qunari invade, do not forget Rivain has many people who belives in the qun they may help the qunari gain territory without a fight, meh i do not wich to bored you to death so.. I'll stop.

I am sure the writers have a better way of destroying tevinter.

[esper]

Huntress wrote...

MassStorm wrote...

Hope not i love Tevinter and would love to go there in one of the future games and possibly be a powerful Magister.

Well you have to see the reallity of it, the tevinter imperial is dieying and what was making it going was the large amount of slaves  they once had, remember how they had to pay loghain to buy elves? why? because the dalish groups are too small, too few and camp far from each others. so removing the arms of the monster means?.. it will starve and die.

Ok just to stop the whining before it start this "slaves" not only were elves ( wich not one in thedas give a danm about) but mages too, The Circles crippled tevinter slavers from capturing more mages.

Then is the war with the barbarians and now is war everywere.. Not sure if this war is a good thing for them or a bad thing.. why? simple, they have the qunari in "check" but if noises start at their back... see what could happen? They'll change their focus and qunari invade, do not forget Rivain has many people who belives in the qun they may help the qunari gain territory without a fight, meh i do not wich to bored you to death so.. I'll stop.

I am sure the writers have a better way of destroying tevinter.

The magister does get magi slaves. And human too. In fact we encounter two of these in one quest. Poor humans are as vunerable as city elves. The slaves Isabella freed. If they were people fleeing from the blight, do you think it was primary human or elves.

Rivani won't help the Qunary, becaus they have many who believes in the chant, and many who believes in the old ways enought to coerce the chant and the qun followers to let them keep their Seers. Frankly Rivani does not sound like a country united and it the Qunari have any tactical sense once they wish to expand they will march over Rivani not the Tevinter. They are not fighting with Tevinter over Tevinter, they are fighting with Tevinter over Seheron. Should Tevinter lose they would lose the Island, not their country.

I do not see why bioware should wish to destroy any of their countries. Frankly all expect Fereldan are interesting (Fereldan are a little too generic fantasy for me) and it would be a shame to destroy those country before we as a player has the chance to experience them.

Modifié par esper, 27 novembre 2012 - 05:15 .

[Huntress]

esper wrote...

Rivani won't help the Qunary, becaus they have many who believes in the chant, and many who believes in the old ways enought to coerce the chant and the qun followers to let them keep their Seers. Frankly Rivani does not sound like a country united and it the Qunari have any tactical sense once they wish to expand they will march over Rivani not the Tevinter. They are not fighting with Tevinter over Tevinter, they are fighting with Tevinter over Seheron. Should Tevinter lose they would lose the Island, not their country.

I do not see why bioware should wish to destroy any of their countries. Frankly all expect Fereldan are interesting (Fereldan are a little too generic fantasy for me) and it would be a shame to destroy those country before we as a player has the chance to experience them.

1)Rivaini are not Andrastians and don't believe in the Maker. 
2)they are pantheists who believe in the Natural Order exemple: the strong lives the weak dies, the big fish eat the smaller fish, survival of the fittest.
3) Many, especially in Kont-aar, have  converted to the Qun, as their religion because is not very contradictory.

So forgive me if I see their need to allie with someone who sees the world like they do..

Here read it.

Dragon Age
Codex entry
Rivain
Dragon Age: Origins
Number:
   
148 (+5WK)
Section:
Culture and History
Location:
   
A book in one of the rooms in Gnawed Noble Tavern in the Denerim Market District
Dragon Age II
Section:
   
Places
Location:
   
A book in the Hanged Man in Act 1 or 2
Codex text

Nowhere in my travels, not in the heart of the Imperium nor the streets of Orzammar, have I felt so much an outsider as in Rivain.

The Chant of Light never truly reached the ears of these people. The years they spent under the thumb of the Qunari left most of the country zealous followers of the Qun. But resistance to the Chant goes deeper than the Qunari War. The Rivaini refuse to be parted from their seers, wise women who are in fact hedge mages, communicating with spirits and actually allowing themselves to become possessed. The Chantry prohibition against such magical practices violates millennia of local tradition.

--From In Pursuit of Knowledge: The Travels of A Chantry Scholar, by Brother Genitivi.

Modifié par Huntress, 27 novembre 2012 - 06:01 .

[esper]

Huntress wrote...

esper wrote...

Rivani won't help the Qunary, becaus they have many who believes in the chant, and many who believes in the old ways enought to coerce the chant and the qun followers to let them keep their Seers. Frankly Rivani does not sound like a country united and it the Qunari have any tactical sense once they wish to expand they will march over Rivani not the Tevinter. They are not fighting with Tevinter over Tevinter, they are fighting with Tevinter over Seheron. Should Tevinter lose they would lose the Island, not their country.

I do not see why bioware should wish to destroy any of their countries. Frankly all expect Fereldan are interesting (Fereldan are a little too generic fantasy for me) and it would be a shame to destroy those country before we as a player has the chance to experience them.

1)Rivaini are not Andrastians and don't believe in the Maker. 
2)they are pantheists who believe in the Natural Order exemple: the strong lives the weak dies, the big fish eat the smaller fish, survival of the fittest.
3) Many, especially in Kont-aar, have  converted to the Qun, as their religion because is not very contradictory.

So forgive me if I see their need to allie with someone who sees the world like they do..

Many is not all, and certainly not united. That is why they keep their Seers. Both Qunari and the Chant doesn't exactly allow aborminations to walk freely, not to mention have a prominent role in society.

Some Rivani are Andrastian. Enough for their to be a Circle and for the Chantry to think it have juristriction over the country.
Enough are Qunari for the Chantry to acknowlegde that they need to let them be.
And enough believe in the olds ways for both the chantry and the Qunari believers to let the Seers live alone.

Rivani as a country is simply not united enough to go with any other country in a religious conflict and anyway including the Qunari are religious in nature. Should a religious conflict occur on Rivani ground the country will likely be destroyed from the inside.

Modifié par esper, 27 novembre 2012 - 06:02 .

[Huntress]

esper wrote...

Many is not all, and certainly not united. That is why they keep their Seers. Both Qunari and the Chant doesn't exactly allow aborminations to walk freely, not to mention have a prominent role in society.

Some Rivani are Andrastian. Enough for their to be a Circle and for the Chantry to think it have juristriction over the country.
Enough are Qunari for the Chantry to acknowlegde that they need to let them be.
And enough believe in the olds ways for both the chantry and the Qunari believers to let the Seers live alone.

Rivani as a country is simply not united enough to go with any other country in a religious conflict and anyway including the Qunari are religious in nature. Should a religious conflict occur on Rivani ground the country will likely be destroyed from the inside.

Where is that info located? I know I need it time to get the game codex to defend my views of why Rivain could aid the Qunari but.. where is yours from?

Please I like to see the codex if is in the game or where it was cited if is from a book.

Modifié par Huntress, 27 novembre 2012 - 06:07 .

[esper]

Huntress wrote...

esper wrote...

Many is not all, and certainly not united. That is why they keep their Seers. Both Qunari and the Chant doesn't exactly allow aborminations to walk freely, not to mention have a prominent role in society.

Some Rivani are Andrastian. Enough for their to be a Circle and for the Chantry to think it have juristriction over the country.
Enough are Qunari for the Chantry to acknowlegde that they need to let them be.
And enough believe in the olds ways for both the chantry and the Qunari believers to let the Seers live alone.

Rivani as a country is simply not united enough to go with any other country in a religious conflict and anyway including the Qunari are religious in nature. Should a religious conflict occur on Rivani ground the country will likely be destroyed from the inside.

Where is that info located? I know I need it time to get the game codex to defend my views of why Rivain could aid the Qunari but.. where is yours from?

Please I like to see the codex if is in the game or where it was cited if is in a book.

The Rivani codexes. Also Gaider mentioned on some post (as well as codex on circles) that Rivani has a circle. The andrastian/qunari thing is from somewhere I read of either the exalted marches or the specific march on the Qunari. I also think there was a codex on Rivani seers somewhere in da2, because I remember reading it.

It is a very long time since I read it though, so their precise names I cannot remember.

Edit. I actually think it is a loading screen that mentions the circle in Rivani. That is from where I know Rivani has a circle. Gaider might also have mention it in a da2 mages thread, because Rivani's seers was talked about a lot. But really you can figure it out logically, if Rivani was pure/majority Qun, the seers would not exist. The Qun does not allow mages like that.

Modifié par esper, 27 novembre 2012 - 06:14 .

[Huntress]

Read my post again please, i put a codex from DAO and DA2 and where to find it without much work from you're part.

Codex entry
The Llomerryn Accords

Dragon Age II
Section:

Lore
Location:

A book in Viscount's Keep, in the room outside Dumar's office in Act 1

Codex text

50 years. That's how long it took the Imperium to drive out the Qunari occupation. But the rest of Northern Thedas was not so lucky.

Both Divines, white and black, declared Exalted Marches and for the only time since the Schism of the Chantry, they worked together. A century-long siege resulted, with the giant Qunari entrenched in Antiva and Rivain, and all of Thedas throwing armies against them.

The war drained the resources of every nation in Thedas, leaving most on the brink of collapse. For the giants, it did not appear to be the damage to their armada or the loss of their soldiers, but the terrible toll upon the Rivaini population that prompted their retreat. When the Third New Exalted March had all but massacred the people of Kont-aar without even chipping the Qunari occupying force, the giants finally withdrew.

The treaty that put an official end to the Qunari Wars was signed on the politically neutral island of Llomerryn off the southern coast of Rivain. 150 years after the assault on the mainland began, the Qunari left our shores. They received the northern archipelago in exchange for cessation of hostilities against all the nations on the accord. Only Tevinter refused to sign, and so the war continues to rage in the Imperium to the present day.

It's worth noting, however, that the Kingdom of Rivain immediately violated the treaty. Twice. Once, when the humans of northern Rivain—nearly all practitioners of the Qun and therefore by definition, "Qunari"—refused to leave their homes and go in exile to the islands. And again, when the Rivain Chantry and nationalist forces, unable to convert its people back to the worship of the Maker, tried a purge by the sword, slaughtering countless unarmed people and burying them in mass graves. It's a fortunate mystery that the leaders in Kont-aar did not alert their allies in the Northern Passage, or we'd still be fighting the giants now.

—From The Exalted Marches: An Examination of Chantry Warfare, by Sister Petrine, Chantry scholar

Modifié par Huntress, 27 novembre 2012 - 06:22 .

[esper]

Huntress wrote...

Read my post again please, i put a codex from DAO and DA2 and where to find it without much work from you're part.

Codex entry
The Llomerryn Accords

Dragon Age II
Section:

Lore
Location:

A book in Viscount's Keep, in the room outside Dumar's office in Act 1

Codex text

50 years. That's how long it took the Imperium to drive out the Qunari occupation. But the rest of Northern Thedas was not so lucky.

Both Divines, white and black, declared Exalted Marches and for the only time since the Schism of the Chantry, they worked together. A century-long siege resulted, with the giant Qunari entrenched in Antiva and Rivain, and all of Thedas throwing armies against them.

The war drained the resources of every nation in Thedas, leaving most on the brink of collapse. For the giants, it did not appear to be the damage to their armada or the loss of their soldiers, but the terrible toll upon the Rivaini population that prompted their retreat. When the Third New Exalted March had all but massacred the people of Kont-aar without even chipping the Qunari occupying force, the giants finally withdrew.

The treaty that put an official end to the Qunari Wars was signed on the politically neutral island of Llomerryn off the southern coast of Rivain. 150 years after the assault on the mainland began, the Qunari left our shores. They received the northern archipelago in exchange for cessation of hostilities against all the nations on the accord. Only Tevinter refused to sign, and so the war continues to rage in the Imperium to the present day.

It's worth noting, however, that the Kingdom of Rivain immediately violated the treaty. Twice. Once, when the humans of northern Rivain—nearly all practitioners of the Qun and therefore by definition, "Qunari"—refused to leave their homes and go in exile to the islands. And again, when the Rivain Chantry and nationalist forces, unable to convert its people back to the worship of the Maker, tried a purge by the sword, slaughtering countless unarmed people and burying them in mass graves. It's a fortunate mystery that the leaders in Kont-aar did not alert their allies in the Northern Passage, or we'd still be fighting the giants now.

—From The Exalted Marches: An Examination of Chantry Warfare, by Sister Petrine, Chantry scholar

Is that not proof that both religion are strong in Rivani, but not strong enough to keep the old way outs since neither Anit-magi stance have robbed them off their seers simply because the Rivani people like their ways as they are.

It is only logical that the Nothern part of Rivani is where the Qunari are. After all they are close to the Qun, but they obviosuly was not enough to take over the whole country or else there would not have been a massacre on them. Also the tradition of the pre-chantry old religion would have been completely eradicated had the Qun been dominant, since the Qun has no place for culture outside its own. Everyone has a role which the Qun determins, remember.

And it again just prove that once the Qunari decide they want to take over the world, they should march over Rivani. They do have supporters there. They have none in Tevinter. (If we say that Sehorn does not belong to Tevinter, I am not sure the Magisters agree with me there) Again they are fighting over hold over Seheron not Tevinter. If Rivani is lucky Andrastians armies won't clash with the Qunari before they are out of the country. If Rivani is unlucky their land will be the battle ground and that will destory the country because its culture is so divided.

[Huntress]

The chantry is NOT strong in Rivain, the chantry probably has a town//city/county or a pice of land like a diplomat have in others country I'll say but that doesn't mean their religion is foot deep in the ravain population because IS NOT. There religion is first, second they favour the qunari and many will die before allowing the chantry to convert them as shown:

"unable to convert its people back to the worship of the Maker, tried a purge by the sword, slaughtering countless unarmed people and burying them in mass graves."

That tells me that there is a higher percent of the Rivain people who do not favour the chantry and they'll willingly throw themselves to the swords before bowing to the chantry and their GOD.

Edit: before you continue trying to discredit me , the qunari back off in war because rivain people were been slaughtered not because of the damage done to them, if and I said IF the qunari sees an opening they'll take it and who better than Rivain converts to help them? Do not dilute yourself beliving the Qunari will not defend and protect the Rivain people who believes in the qun, even in real life is illogical to think that way and the land/city/town under the Chantry  will be returned to the qunari people been ravain or  kossith.

Modifié par Huntress, 27 novembre 2012 - 07:02 .

[esper]

Huntress wrote...

The chantry is NOT strong in Rivain, the chantry probably has a town//city/county or a pice of land like a diplomat have in others country I'll say but that doesn't mean their religion is foot deep in the ravain population because IS NOT. There religion is first, second they favour the qunari and many will die before allowing the chantry to convert them as shown:

"unable to convert its people back to the worship of the Maker, tried a purge by the sword, slaughtering countless unarmed people and burying them in mass graves."

That tells me that there is a higher percent of the Rivain people who do not favour the chantry and they'll willingly throw themselves to the swords before bowing to the chantry and their GOD.

I never say it was as strong as say in Orlais. But it was strong enough for there to be people willing to killing those who was willing to be killed and bury them in mass graves.

I never denied that the Qun was strong, espcially in Northen Rivani, but it is not strong enough for Rivani as a united country to aid the Qun because if it was Rivani fondness of its old traditions would simply not be allowed to exist.

Rivani is the country in Thedas, which is properly the most culturely divided and sadly not in the good way. A religious war on their ground again, would become a disaster as it would likely force those who don't care.