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Shadows need a buff

Débuté par MuKen , nov. 26 2012 08:10

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#51
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Posté 26 novembre 2012 - 09:23

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upinya slayin wrote...

I know. i made a thread a while ago about how stupidly OP it is. you can easily top a scoreboard with no skill


So again, why are you opposing a change that would put a limit on this?

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Posté 26 novembre 2012 - 09:25

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I never play Shadow. I've seen too many shadows that are ES only and use it like a child's playtoy. I rather play my vanilla Humans. I happen to play them very well along with Volus kits. Shadows don't need a buff, they need a fix first before a buff or nerf can be considered.

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Posté 26 novembre 2012 - 09:26

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90% of the naysayers in this thread do not actually say why either one of the proposed changes are bad ones. How many of you actually read them?

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Posté 26 novembre 2012 - 09:27

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MuKen, you just misinterpret Shadow's abilities. These are what you're able to do, not must.
Take powerful shotgun and you get your standard infiltrator with additional capabilities. You can strip shields, while healing and doing enormous damage. After that you can shoot, melee, hide. SS alows you to cross the map quickly. Shadow is most mobile Infiltrator with the best dodge, melee and very good abilities. You find her underwhelming? I'm quite surprised.

Modifié par tutzdes, 26 novembre 2012 - 09:28 .

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Posté 26 novembre 2012 - 09:30

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tutzdes wrote...

MuKen, you just misinterpret Shadow's abilities. These are what you're able to do, not must.
Take powerful shotgun and you get your standard infiltrator with additional capabilities. You can strip shields, while healing and doing enormous damage. After that you can shoot, melee, hide. SS alows you to cross the map quickly. Shadow is most mobile Infiltrator with the best dodge, melee and very good abilities. You find her underwhelming? I'm quite surprised.


She uncloaks much faster than any other infiltrator and gets shot quicker. Also she has no quick CC other Infiltrators do. And since you spec into power damage, her weapon damage is pretty low. 

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Posté 26 novembre 2012 - 09:42

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Air Quotes wrote...
She uncloaks much faster than any other infiltrator and gets shot quicker. Also she has no quick CC other Infiltrators do. And since you spec into power damage, her weapon damage is pretty low. 

Actually it's the only infiltrator kit I use with Duration cloak, so she's cloaked half of the time unlike other Infiltrators.

You're right about quick CC and weapon damage. I just think that it's compensated by the ES having great AoE and OK damage. Weapon damage is low compared to the other infiltrators but good enough for me.

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Ultimas Dragon
Posté 26 novembre 2012 - 09:44

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class is fine as is leave it, I love playing her.

#58
stayposi1990
Posté 26 novembre 2012 - 09:45

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The only thing that annoys me is the way the SS animation takes an eternity.

She's still one of the best kits in the game, IMO.

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Posté 26 novembre 2012 - 09:46

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tutzdes wrote...

Air Quotes wrote...
She uncloaks much faster than any other infiltrator and gets shot quicker. Also she has no quick CC other Infiltrators do. And since you spec into power damage, her weapon damage is pretty low. 

Actually it's the only infiltrator kit I use with Duration cloak, so she's cloaked half of the time unlike other Infiltrators.

You're right about quick CC and weapon damage. I just think that it's compensated by the ES having great AoE and OK damage. Weapon damage is low compared to the other infiltrators but good enough for me.


No. You didn't get it.

Grab a Shadow. Cloak - fire weapon. See how fast she uncloaks. Instantly. 

Now take ANY other Infiltrator. Cloak - fire weapon. You will have about 1.5 seconds of unloacking animation. And enemies won't react to that Infiltrator as fast as they do to when they see a  Shadow.  

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Posté 26 novembre 2012 - 09:50

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Shadow needs to unlock!!!

#61
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Posté 26 novembre 2012 - 09:50

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Fix the Atlas bug and maybe give DR during dodge.
Other then that, the class is fine.

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Posté 26 novembre 2012 - 09:52

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stayposi1990 wrote...

She's still one of the best kits in the game, IMO.


Nice joke.

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Posté 26 novembre 2012 - 09:52

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Air Quotes wrote...

 And enemies won't react to that Infiltrator as fast as they do to when they see a  Shadow.  


I think you're imagining this. It could also have to do with the fact most infiltrators are cloaked at range while the shadow is usually in melee range.

As for soloing gold, I hope you're not basing all of your problems with her on your solo runs. Because the dynamics change considerably when the enemies don't have people other than you to target. It's impressive but the class doesn't need to be balanced around soloing.

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Posté 26 novembre 2012 - 09:53

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I am not going to respond to any post anymore that does not specifically respond to at least one of the suggested changes I posted in the OP.

People are just reading the title and responding to the word "buff".

Modifié par MuKen, 26 novembre 2012 - 09:53 .

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Posté 26 novembre 2012 - 09:53

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Knockingbr4in wrote...

stayposi1990 wrote...

She's still one of the best kits in the game, IMO.


Nice joke.

She is.
l2P

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upinya slayin
Posté 26 novembre 2012 - 09:54

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MuKen wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

I know. i made a thread a while ago about how stupidly OP it is. you can easily top a scoreboard with no skill


So again, why are you opposing a change that would put a limit on this?


becuase ti seems you want to buff SS which already 1 hits pahntoms on gold when done correctly, restores your shields when you hit a shielded enemy and sets up TBs

the shadow is powerfull in any spec. it doens't need a buff. while at it why not buff the GI, destroyer, and TGI too

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Posté 26 novembre 2012 - 09:56

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TrollBerzerker01 wrote...

Air Quotes wrote...

 And enemies won't react to that Infiltrator as fast as they do to when they see a  Shadow.  


I think you're imagining this. It could also have to do with the fact most infiltrators are cloaked at range while the shadow is usually in melee range.

As for soloing gold, I hope you're not basing all of your problems with her on your solo runs. Because the dynamics change considerably when the enemies don't have people other than you to target. It's impressive but the class doesn't need to be balanced around soloing.


In team games she's just too slow. Single target only. I can sprint with a Drell or a Fury or GI across the map faster and nuke/shoot more enemies before a Shadow kills 1. 

And on really good teams with Feneckus/Sy7ar player calibers - good luck landing an SS before they kill everything on sight without even moving from their position. 

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Posté 26 novembre 2012 - 09:57

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Knockingbr4in wrote...

stayposi1990 wrote...

She's still one of the best kits in the game, IMO.


Nice joke.


/shrug I find her really easy to kill things with, maybe it's just me. 

#69
Ulrich282
Posté 26 novembre 2012 - 09:58

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A "buff" that I would like to see is the ability to hit the Atlas...

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Posté 26 novembre 2012 - 10:03

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The problem isn't killing things. It's using her abilities in a way that won't get you killed. SS is ridiculously buggy. You can get killed mid teleport, enemies can see and counter even when cloaked, some enemies can sync kill you almost instantly, it goes on and on.

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Posté 26 novembre 2012 - 10:04

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stayposi1990 wrote...

Knockingbr4in wrote...

stayposi1990 wrote...

She's still one of the best kits in the game, IMO.


Nice joke.


/shrug I find her really easy to kill things with, maybe it's just me. 


She does kill things with relative ease but the execution is slow and reckless.

#72
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Posté 26 novembre 2012 - 10:04

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MuKen wrote...
I am not going to respond to any post anymore that does not specifically respond to at least one of the suggested changes I posted in the OP.

SS is immensely powerful but circumastantional. ES is good support ability. That's right - balanced. What you propose would unbalance the abilities. This is not any good as for me.

People spam the abilities not because this is effective, but as it requires less skill. They would spam unstackable DoT too, believe me.

Modifié par tutzdes, 26 novembre 2012 - 10:04 .

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Posté 26 novembre 2012 - 10:05

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Seventh89 wrote...

The problem isn't killing things. It's using her abilities in a way that won't get you killed. SS is ridiculously buggy. You can get killed mid teleport, enemies can see and counter even when cloaked, some enemies can sync kill you almost instantly, it goes on and on.

It's easily avoidable.
With a bit of timing, I've managed to reduce SS accidents by 90%.

#74
Seventh89
Posté 26 novembre 2012 - 10:09

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Avoidable by your standards. Even one sync kill is too many. You can cloak, stay hidden out of sight, strike and you'll still die. It happens a lot. You can even be targeted mid teleport even if you weren't being fired at at all. It's ridiculous. I'm not claiming the Shadow needs any buff but seriously, if you're not going to fix this crap, just buff the abilities in a way to prevent this sort of thing.

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stayposi1990
Posté 26 novembre 2012 - 10:11

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Knockingbr4in wrote...

stayposi1990 wrote...

Knockingbr4in wrote...

stayposi1990 wrote...

She's still one of the best kits in the game, IMO.


Nice joke.


/shrug I find her really easy to kill things with, maybe it's just me. 


She does kill things with relative ease but the execution is slow and reckless.


That I wholeheartedly agree with, which is why I want the SS animation changed. :P
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