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[N-Seven]

DrasticKirbus wrote...

N-Seven wrote...

This is an odd post. It's like a 'humblebrag' + 'denigrate other players' combo. With an 'Elitism III' consumable boosting it. Weird. Anyways, it had the effect of reducing my 'Faith in Humanity' score by 10 points. Congrats poster, you have made an impact on the world.

Lol, that wasn't the intention at all.  Perhaps the wording of my post caused confusion.  What I was trying to ask is, now that there is a very good solo build and strategy for platinum that most players can use (I seriously doubt I can solo platinum, or even gold with any other setup), should people still consider Lone Wolf to be the one banner that indicates skill?  I certainly wasn't trying to imply that anyone who has the banner isn't deserving of it, just start a discussion that apparently no one wants to have.

Ok, I apologize for my snarky post.  But maybe you just have to accept the fact that you are better than the majority of players.  I know, it's tough, but hey.  Most MP players are still Silver and lower players, if we take Bioware's reported metrics at face value, and  not solo players at that.

[ISHYGDDT]

Cyonan wrote...

SectiplaveB4 wrote...

ME3 MP doesn't take skill, it takes knowledge and tactics, it's a thinking mans game....unless you like to run only GI or Kroguard

What do you think skill is?

People (including some pretty accomplished players) on this site tend to think of 'skill' basically as the ability to get headshots, which is a very narrow definition, and not one I'd share.  I'm not sure what drives this, probably their FPS-centric world view.

Modifié par ISHYGDDT, 27 novembre 2012 - 02:28 .

[SeanThen1]

SirLulzalot wrote...

Can we stop complaining about Lone Wolf in general yet?

[DrasticKirbus]

artificial-ignorance wrote...

Can you give a link to this so-called guide please?

Here ya go http://social.biowar...ndex/15040965/1

Modifié par DrasticKirbus, 27 novembre 2012 - 02:31 .

[robarcool]

Banners are the new N7, nothing more. I don't sport any in the lobby. Hell, if I could I won't even sport my N7 in a lobby.

[N-Seven]

ISHYGDDT wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

SectiplaveB4 wrote...

ME3 MP doesn't take skill, it takes knowledge and tactics, it's a thinking mans game....unless you like to run only GI or Kroguard

What do you think skill is?

People (including some pretty accomplished players) on this site tend to think of 'skill' basically as the ability to get headshots, which is a very narrow definition, and not one I'd share.  I'm not sure what drives this, probably their FPS-centric world view.

Yep.  We could debate the definition of 'skill'.  What is it?  Just reflexes, reaction speed, and hand-eye coordination?  Where does map knowledge, character build knowledge, and enemy knowledge come in to play?  Or is that 'strategy'?  And does not strategy, even if taught by a guide, deserve some merit?  Your ability and willingness to learn and absorb knowledge, to experiment, shouldn't that be recognized?  Etc.  Blah blah.

[DullahansXMark]

Does his guide really make it that easy?

[DrasticKirbus]

DullahansXMark wrote...

Does his guide really make it that easy?

Here is the direct link to his video guide.  It is an hour long, but you only need to watch 15 mins or so to get the idea.

www.youtube.com/watch

[Commander Coriander Salamander]

 Since most of this thread is people fumbling over how to define skill I thought I'd do everyone a favor and post the definition.

Skill: the ability, coming from one's knowledge, practice, aptitude, etc., to do something well.

The way I see it, if soloing platinum truly didn't take any skill, you would be able to take someone with no prior experience to ME3's Multiplayer and just by watching one of those solo platinum guides they would be able to do a successful solo after 5 or so tries. Nobody with over 600 hours invested can say that they don't have any skill.

[Big Jack Shepard]

DrasticKirbus wrote...

 Thanks to Caneighis' solo Platinum guide using the Geth Soldier, I now have the Lone Wolf banner with about 5 hours invested in it.  I had no intention of trying to get the banner until I saw his guide, because quite frankly, I'm terrible at soloing.  After watching how easy his strategy made it though, I spent the next few hours soloing gold, averaging around 40 mins per clear.  Then I tried Platinum, taking 3 attempts to clear due to being stupid with Banshees.

So, can we stop saying that Lone Wolf takes skill, and only takes what the other banners require...several hours of dedication.

OK, you convinced me that you have no skill.

Happy?

Modifié par Big Jack Shepard, 27 novembre 2012 - 02:44 .

[GreatBlueHeron]

N-Seven wrote...

This is an odd post. It's like a 'humblebrag' + 'denigrate other players' combo. With an 'Elitism III' consumable boosting it. Weird. Anyways, it had the effect of reducing my 'Faith in Humanity' score by 10 points. Congrats poster, you have made an impact on the world.

This post wins the thread.

[Firouz222]

Thanks to the Free Dictionary...

And yes, ME3 MP in general and threfore the solo does indeed take skill. To say otherwise is disingenuous, trite and insulting (ah, the internet...).

I have been developing my skill for 500 hrs. I am going to get through Gold solo soon - just died on wave 10 last attempt. I don't watch other's advice videos as my skill is my own and and I will achieve on my own terms.

You guys who work so hard to achieve some degree of skill should know better than to pretend you don't have any; that it just arrives via a YouTube video.

Tut tut.

thefreedictionary.com
skill (skl)
n.
1. Proficiency, facility, or dexterity that is acquired or developed through training or experience. See Synonyms at ability.
2.
a. An art, trade, or technique, particularly one requiring use of the hands or body.
b. A developed talent or ability: writing skills.
3. Obsolete A reason; a cause.
[Middle English skil, from Old Norse, discernment; see skel-1 in Indo-European roots.]

Modifié par Firouz222, 27 novembre 2012 - 02:58 .

[Akakhan]

Try using a different character and see how you go - I got my Lone Wolf banner using a Salarian Infiltrator and a Female Quarian Infiltrator and sweated all the way through

I think what you are saying is it took no skill for you to use a hugely shielded character who could take multiple enemies at will with a flamer on one particular map that was well suited for that style

This doesn't mean that those of us who try Gold with under powered characters are not skillful at reading the map and staying alive.

If doing gold or platinum solo runs is not skillful go try it again using different characters and see how long you survive.

[Star fury]

Yay, I missed this kind of threads.

[thearbiter1337]

N-Seven wrote...

ISHYGDDT wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

SectiplaveB4 wrote...

ME3 MP doesn't take skill, it takes knowledge and tactics, it's a thinking mans game....unless you like to run only GI or Kroguard

What do you think skill is?

People (including some pretty accomplished players) on this site tend to think of 'skill' basically as the ability to get headshots, which is a very narrow definition, and not one I'd share.  I'm not sure what drives this, probably their FPS-centric world view.

Yep.  We could debate the definition of 'skill'.  What is it?  Just reflexes, reaction speed, and hand-eye coordination?  Where does map knowledge, character build knowledge, and enemy knowledge come in to play?  Or is that 'strategy'?  And does not strategy, even if taught by a guide, deserve some merit?  Your ability and willingness to learn and absorb knowledge, to experiment, shouldn't that be recognized?  Etc.  Blah blah.

Acctually 

What i been hearin' from some people skill is running around with a TGI and a Harrier

</lies>

[OuterRim]

I did a bunch of random silver games a few days ago to test a few things out. In one of those games I ran into a guy with over 12,000 challenge points. I only took note because that same player was possibly one of the worst players I have ever seen. I got the gold revive medal in the game just from reviving him.

I checked out his ID on N7HQ and one of the few banners he didn't have was the Lone Wolf one. Hmmmm, I wonder why that is....?

[Mariachi 43]

Grub Killer8016 wrote...

Doing the Husk points for Reaper Mastery took me about 3 weeks of dedication. God bless whoever needs those points.

Guardians are worse.

[Kalas Magnus]

ISHYGDDT wrote...

I think this is a disguised brag thread, but whatever.  

[SectiplaveB4]

Cyonan wrote...

What do you think skill is?

This is my bad for multi tasking while posting and providing a lazy off the cuff post.

The message I would like to make is that ME3 MP does not rely heavily on manual skill (yes I know it is still required), but that is relies more on tactics and knowledge based skill. I hope this clarifies my opinion on the subject since it appears to have taken a more serious turn.

This is in no way shape or form a detractor for ME3 MP, it is actually most likely the reason I have put in 200+ hours of ME3 MP time and am still coming back for more on an almost daily basis.

Modifié par SectiplaveB4, 27 novembre 2012 - 03:34 .

[Tatsumaki]

Just cause it is considered 'easy' for you, it doesn't mean it is 'easy' for other people. Just cause you are able to perform it, doesn't actually mean that other people are defaulted to be able to perform it.

The world's faster runner clocked 'Idon'tknowthetime' seconds. Why can't you also clock likewise?
World's longest jump is Idontknowthelength meters. Why can't you also jump likewise?

The list can go on and on and I hope you get the idea. People are just different, but that is by no means they are inferior.

[doozerdude]

*time

[Podboq]

But the thing is, you don't even need the platinum solo for the banner.
I did two the gold solos with a kroguard vs geth, and that takes only the barest amount of skill. It's definitely not something to brag about.

I don't see why anyone would think that banner means you're skilled.

[DullahansXMark]

DrasticKirbus wrote...

DullahansXMark wrote...

Does his guide really make it that easy?

Here is the direct link to his video guide.  It is an hour long, but you only need to watch 15 mins or so to get the idea.

www.youtube.com/watch

I saw it, it's just that Caineghis is already really good, so I can't really take "this makes things into easy mode!" from him seriously until someone verifies it. It's nothing against him (I've played with him, he's awesome and taught me the Devastator Mode toggle technique), other than that he's too good to be saying "it's so easy a caveman could do it."

[DullahansXMark]

Mariachi 43 wrote...

Grub Killer8016 wrote...

Doing the Husk points for Reaper Mastery took me about 3 weeks of dedication. God bless whoever needs those points.

Guardians are worse.

At least you don't have to kill 1822 Guardians to get Cerberus Mastery.

[mrcanada]

Only if you agree to stop making threads about it.