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[shivyshivy]

Zero132132 wrote...

Seeing things like this are strange to me.

"After seeing a guide that explained how to do something, I tried it, it took a few shots to succeed, and then I did it! Means anyone can do it, no skill at all!"

Humans are strange. Unlike animals, we're able to share and acquire knowledge. By and large, we still regard information obtained by education as a skill. When I join the sad world of attempted employment, my resume will list things like 'Linear Regression' and 'Optimization Modelling' as part of my skillset. That I learned them from someone else doesn't mean that they aren't skills.

I mean, it isn't hard, really, but it still requires a set of skills. The other challenges, by and large, just require patience.

I would say it's more a function of knowledge of game mechanics rather than skill. I see skill as ability to quickscope for example. Whereas knowledge of game mechanics is more along the lines of "Nuke Spawns" "Kite Enemies" etc

[Blennus]

I find it interesting that we have the Quadriplegic Silver Solo thread and this one on the front page at the same time. Read the other thread. It takes skill, otherwise no-one would applaud him regardless of his physical disability. Knowing nothing of peoples circumstances, it becomes easy to judge and say that solo runs are easy. For some it requires more skill than others, that's life. So to quote sy7ar:

Better question: can we stop saying lone wolf NOT take skills?

[jandrewcepticon]

I still don't understand why people are obsessing about skill and banners.

[Zero132132]

shivyshivy wrote...

Zero132132 wrote...

Seeing things like this are strange to me.

"After seeing a guide that explained how to do something, I tried it, it took a few shots to succeed, and then I did it! Means anyone can do it, no skill at all!"

Humans are strange. Unlike animals, we're able to share and acquire knowledge. By and large, we still regard information obtained by education as a skill. When I join the sad world of attempted employment, my resume will list things like 'Linear Regression' and 'Optimization Modelling' as part of my skillset. That I learned them from someone else doesn't mean that they aren't skills.

I mean, it isn't hard, really, but it still requires a set of skills. The other challenges, by and large, just require patience.

I would say it's more a function of knowledge of game mechanics rather than skill. I see skill as ability to quickscope for example. Whereas knowledge of game mechanics is more along the lines of "Nuke Spawns" "Kite Enemies" etc

Sure. And linear regression just requires some knowledge of matrix multiplication. Plenty of optimization problems boil down to the simplex method. Application of knowledge is something a lot of folks call a 'skill.' That's my point. That something relies on a functional understanding of a given concept doesn't mean it isn't a skill.

[drmoose00]

Mariachi 43 wrote...

Grub Killer8016 wrote...

Doing the Husk points for Reaper Mastery took me about 3 weeks of dedication. God bless whoever needs those points.

Guardians are worse.

ha that would be my other rant. I haven't even gotten the first guardian thingy, and have everything else~almost done...

they are fe and far between

[Arkman279]

As to whether it takes skill or not I guess that depends on your skillset it takes patience good decision making and quick accuracy and I did with the destroyer a typhoon and an acolyte not geth trooper whether its hard or not is really just dependent on these factors.

[Rip The Reaper]

can we stop saying that Lone Wolf takes skill...

Said the guy who needed a guide...

[shivyshivy]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

shivyshivy wrote...

Zero132132 wrote...

Seeing things like this are strange to me.

"After seeing a guide that explained how to do something, I tried it, it took a few shots to succeed, and then I did it! Means anyone can do it, no skill at all!"

Humans are strange. Unlike animals, we're able to share and acquire knowledge. By and large, we still regard information obtained by education as a skill. When I join the sad world of attempted employment, my resume will list things like 'Linear Regression' and 'Optimization Modelling' as part of my skillset. That I learned them from someone else doesn't mean that they aren't skills.

I mean, it isn't hard, really, but it still requires a set of skills. The other challenges, by and large, just require patience.

I would say it's more a function of knowledge of game mechanics rather than skill. I see skill as ability to quickscope for example. Whereas knowledge of game mechanics is more along the lines of "Nuke Spawns" "Kite Enemies" etc

 

Both of the things you listed require skill.............................

I'll give you the kiting enemies part but nuking spawns is not really a skill in itself.

[Podboq]

so how long until this thread is locked?

[HeroicMass]

Jay_Hoxtatron wrote...

heroicmass wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

I read all your posts in Garrus' voice.

As you should.  

I think it would be a good policy for most posts on BSN.  People would take things a bit less serious than they do currently.  

Be prepared for my Moon's Eye plan.

I can't wait.

[Stinja]

Cyonan wrote...

Though I've never thought of the banners as a way of trying to display my skill, since they don't do that(not even Best of the Best does that)

Dosent Best of the Best mean (by default) you've completed Lone Wolf?

But I agree with the sentiments, Lone Wolf is the only banner you can't sink time/get carried to obtain (assuming no glitching).  But it's laughable, as ME3 in general requires far less skill than just about all other online shooters:  Cod, Battlefield, Team Fortress etc

Theres definitely a difference between unskilled players and skilled, but I've yet to see any banner (or N7, or CPs) confirm 100% that "this is a reliable teammate".

[Clearly Balkan]

Considering 98% of community can't get a full extraction on bronze ( a.k.a. kiddo ) difficulty, I would say YES, to play this game successfully you need certain skills; N7 & Challenge points although may not be an indication of skill, they definitely represent experience.

Everybody has freedom to play PUG Platinum with N7-200.
I just can't put myself trough that kind of mental torture.
I WON'T.

[Xaijin]

RedJohn wrote...

Not all Lone Wolves have done in this way or Krogan Vanguard

[CitizenThom]

I had to learn how to outcheat the Geth (they turn you just enough to the side that you can't targetvthem until you break stagger, so that they have a split second to re-stagger you if you aren't mindful of it)...but otherwise it was just a matter of the right build, rank 4 equipments and knowing when to run away and regroup.

Modifié par CitizenThom, 27 novembre 2012 - 09:07 .

[ZiRK]

Go and play a game with real, thinking human opponents, and then come back and tell me this game requires skill outside of knowing how to use a mouse and basic game mechanics.

[ISHYGDDT]

Mr SeVerS wrote...

Go and play a game with real, thinking human opponents, and then come back and tell me this game requires skill outside of knowing how to use a mouse and basic game mechanics.

Have you solo'd gold or platinum?  Just wondering.

Modifié par ISHYGDDT, 27 novembre 2012 - 08:53 .

[CitizenThom]

edit..not quote button...

Modifié par CitizenThom, 27 novembre 2012 - 09:06 .

[Mzzl]

To summarize: "If I am able to do something, it must be real easy and not worth doing"

[FasterThanFTL]

Gold Solo is no joke whether it is done really cheaply with certain strategies it still takes a certain amount of skill to pull it off. Platinum Solo is no joke on PC, maybe on console it is slightly easy but not on PC.

[Alxea_Eve]

Where may I find this Caneighis' solo Platinum guide?

[HolyAvenger]

I haven't done it yet, so it requires skill.

If I get around to it successfully, it will require no skill.

[ISHYGDDT]

HolyAvenger wrote...

I haven't done it yet, so it requires skill.

If I get around to it successfully, it will require no skill.

That seems to be the gist of this thread.  

Have you ever soloed gold with an Asari Justicar?  Because I can confirm that it requires 'no skill'.

Modifié par ISHYGDDT, 27 novembre 2012 - 09:33 .

[Tortugueta]

I don't know if soloing requires skill or not, but I know it does require being impervious to boredom. Hats off to all soloers out there.