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[ImperatorMortis]

Why should a Blood Mage get a torture chamber? Blood Mage =/= Torturer.

Modifié par ImperatorMortis, 27 novembre 2012 - 01:01 .

[Doctoglethorpe]

Considering jedi get taun tauns I'm not sure how serious I'm supposed to take this post.

[Auintus]

I don't think a torture chamber would suit every blood mage. My blood mages were perfectly friendly and reasonable people.

[Conduit0]

Although the idea is interesting, I think I can honestly say I'd rather them focus efforts on adding more content, than wasting time on Pimp my Keep.

[3043907]

i dont know it depends on my mood i might torture someone but on the other hand i may just instead make them my slave or even better use them for experiments like averunus did in DA-O Soliders Peak or i might just go for a trophy room with all the heads of the templars who came after me

also would a templar have a shrine to the maker a lyrium fountain or a room filled with mages waiting in cages to be moved to a circle tower or even about to made tranquil

torture face
slave face
 experiment face
hope the prisoners have as much fun as me

Modifié par 3043907, 27 novembre 2012 - 02:49 .

[Doctoglethorpe]

blood mages being evil is such a stereotype. gosh!

how would you like it if somebody said elves can't jump or dwarves as bad horse riders.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Auintus wrote...

I don't think a torture chamber would suit every blood mage. My blood mages were perfectly friendly and reasonable people.

I had two blood mages, and they both would have wanted a torture chamber.

The difference is, my second one was a friendlier type who would have wanted it to stay safe, sane, and consensual. :innocent:

Meanwhile, my Berserker-Reaver was just a relatively nice, mostly Lawful-Good guy who just happened to have successfully manipulated everyone in the Landsmeet Chamber except Alistair. And two out of three of my Rangers probably have no idea how to survive in the wilderness.

See, this is why I don't want my castle, if Bioware gives us one, to be determined by class or spec. I want to be able to make a castle that suits my character, and not all of my characters think or act the way their class and spec would seem to dictate.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

shlenderman wrote...
maybe your bloodmages are pvssies. but normally a person who takes his own blood for magic would be a bit more about torture.

It's perfectly reasonable for a non-evil mage to turn to blood magic when faced with a Godzilla Threshold level threat. Wynne did it during Asunder, if my second-hand knowledge of it is correct, and my impression of her as a character is that she's somewhat unrealistically strongly good.

[Auintus]

shlenderman wrote...

Auintus wrote...

I don't think a torture chamber would suit every blood mage. My blood mages were perfectly friendly and reasonable people.

i wun say it
i wun say it
i wun say it

okay. this is rly ridiculous.

you post a topic which has a good theme. you put a little humor into it.

but hey?

always on bsn. nobody takes real notice and just took an answer from somebody above.

maybe your bloodmages are pvssies. but normally a person who takes his own blood for magic would be a bit more about torture.

You can't judge an entire individual based on the spec they take. My blood mages were in it for the power boost and only ever used their own blood. No torture, just pragmatism.

It isn't even just that. Your idea takes a completely one-dimensional analysis of a character's preferences. The keep should be decorated to one's personality, not one's class. If my blood mage wants wall-to-wall balloons just for the laughs, I don't think a torture room is quite what he's looking for.
It would be cool if your keep automatically reflected your choices, but you can't just assume a person's choice of decor based on their spec.

Modifié par Auintus, 27 novembre 2012 - 03:25 .

[Auintus]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...
See, this is why I don't want my castle, if Bioware gives us one, to be determined by class or spec. I want to be able to make a castle that suits my character, and not all of my characters think or act the way their class and spec would seem to dictate.

Y'see. This guy here, he gets it. He's got it figured out the same way I do.

[ImperatorMortis]

shlenderman wrote...

Auintus wrote...



You can't judge an entire individual based on the spec they take. My blood mages were in it for the power boost and only ever used their own blood. No torture, just pragmatism.

geeze guy you take this way too srsly.

It would be cool if your keep automatically reflected your choices, but you can't just assume a person's choice of decor based on their spec.

well actually i roleplay a char.
would be rly boring if i only rp me.

some chars look like me. that's all.

one dimensional.
clearly.

whole forums where full of this peops who took bloodmage for glass canon, or arcane warrior for melee pwnage, but 'roleplayed', they were treehuggin, teadrinkin, halftime bloodmages.

meh.

But where does it say that Blood Mages have to be "bad" though? Nothing wrong with using your own blood to fuel your spells. 

Edit: Nvm this is stupid.

Modifié par ImperatorMortis, 27 novembre 2012 - 04:14 .

[Wolfspawn]

shlenderman wrote...

well actually i roleplay a char.
would be rly boring if i only rp me.

some chars look like me. that's all.

one dimensional.
clearly.

whole forums where full of this peops who took bloodmage for glass canon, or arcane warrior for melee pwnage, but 'roleplayed', they were treehuggin, teadrinkin, halftime bloodmages.

meh.

My canon DA:O character, Jarimaniha Surana, was, in fact, a blood mage. But only because he wanted UNLIMITED POWEEER!!! I would never be a blood mage in real life. He was one because I roleplayed him as someone kind of ignorant. He figured that demons would NEVER possess him, right!? He has too much will for that, right!? He was also not exactly a hero, more like an anti-hero, if you get that. He felt blood magic was something to take advantage of. You could roleplay a blood mage as an "evil" character if you want. But you could also do it similarly to how I did it. Just my two bits.

[berelinde]

I can picture the scene. Your mage has had possession of the keep for some time when his lover decides to go poking around in the basement because he can't remember where he parked the wine cellar. He opens a hitherto-unnoticed door and discovers a grisly laboratory/torture chamber.

LI: "Hmm, looks like Gus took that bloodmage specialization, after all."

Point being, characters gain specializations as they go. Pimping out their flats based on character build might turn out to be more work than it's worth. There's nothing to say the player can't ad lib.

Gus: "Welcome to my dungeon."
LI: "It looks like a storage room."
Gus: "It's a torture chamber. Don't you see the rack?"
LI: "It's full of umbrellas."
Gus: "Have you ever tried to get one back in the sleeve it came in?"
LI: "How diabolical!"

[Kileyan]

The place for a class specific keep was DA2. So much could have been done with it in a decade spanning game. The rogues could have been a guild of spies and thieves, controlling the happenings of Kirkwall via blackmail and treachery.

The mages could have been more involved in making the mages more legitimate, and making Kirkwall a place of power for mages, important in the coming conflict.

Warriors? I have no real answer, because not every warrior would be a Templar in specialization or beliefs.

Anyway, the city adventure of DA2 was the perfect time to really do specific class adventures and their unique ways of rising to power. The whole single city thing and 10 years thing set it up. Instead we got a single ending no matter what you did.

The opportunity was squandered already, I figure out new keep will be similar to NWN 2, spend some gold to buff up the walls, get some merchants.

Mostly just mad Bioware wasted the whole idea of a great city adventure.

[Auintus]

shlenderman wrote...

Auintus wrote...



You can't judge an entire individual based on the spec they take. My blood mages were in it for the power boost and only ever used their own blood. No torture, just pragmatism.

geeze guy you take this way too srsly.

*shrugs* I just like arguing. It entertains me. Sorry if it sounds serious, it's really not.

It would be cool if your keep automatically reflected your choices, but you can't just assume a person's choice of decor based on their spec.

well actually i roleplay a char.
would be rly boring if i only rp me.

some chars look like me. that's all.

one dimensional.
clearly.

whole forums where full of this peops who took bloodmage for glass canon, or arcane warrior for melee pwnage, but 'roleplayed', they were treehuggin, teadrinkin, halftime bloodmages.

meh.

You're a boring person?  I kid, I kid. Try acting as you would in a situation. It teaches you a bit about yourself.
I have a mage file that roleplays me. The other two are for particular character types, but they are unique, fluid characters with multidimensional motivations. My reaver Hawke was a colossal a**, but really cared about his sister and LI. Besides, the keep is for your off-hours. Who wants all blood, all the time?
But yes, my blood mage Hawke had a sarcastic personality.

[esper]

Kileyan wrote...

The place for a class specific keep was DA2. So much could have been done with it in a decade spanning game. The rogues could have been a guild of spies and thieves, controlling the happenings of Kirkwall via blackmail and treachery.

The mages could have been more involved in making the mages more legitimate, and making Kirkwall a place of power for mages, important in the coming conflict.

Warriors? I have no real answer, because not every warrior would be a Templar in specialization or beliefs.

Anyway, the city adventure of DA2 was the perfect time to really do specific class adventures and their unique ways of rising to power. The whole single city thing and 10 years thing set it up. Instead we got a single ending no matter what you did.

The opportunity was squandered already, I figure out new keep will be similar to NWN 2, spend some gold to buff up the walls, get some merchants.

Mostly just mad Bioware wasted the whole idea of a great city adventure.

Rogues are NOT thieves. Can you see the Arishok participating in pickpocketing? Rouges in da2 is warriors using dextery and cunning instead of raw strenght.

[esper]

shlenderman wrote...

Auintus wrote...



You can't judge an entire individual based on the spec they take. My blood mages were in it for the power boost and only ever used their own blood. No torture, just pragmatism.

geeze guy you take this way too srsly.

It would be cool if your keep automatically reflected your choices, but you can't just assume a person's choice of decor based on their spec.

well actually i roleplay a char.
would be rly boring if i only rp me.

some chars look like me. that's all.

one dimensional.
clearly.

whole forums where full of this peops who took bloodmage for glass canon, or arcane warrior for melee pwnage, but 'roleplayed', they were treehuggin, teadrinkin, halftime bloodmages.

meh.

My Hawke took the blood mage class because she didn't wanted to drink lyrium since that would mean either depending on the chantry or lyrium smugglers for the stuff, neither being a thing she was willing to do. She had a very Merill'sque view on blood magic, that basically boiled down to. It is nobody but my problem what I choose to do with my blood. She never used the sacrifice spell in her whole life ever, and was filling out a support role on the team, not a glass canon, because that role fitted her personality.

The fact is that it is not a fact that all blodmages are evil. If you gave my Hawke a torture chamber she would stare at it blankly not knowing what she was supposed to do with it.

She had her faults and was definitly a not a treehuggin, teadrinking, but mustang twirwling evil was not one of them.

If we get to decorate our castle I wants its interior to reflect the personality of my character, not a stereo type view of the class.

Modifié par esper, 27 novembre 2012 - 04:25 .

[Helena Tylena]

esper wrote...

Kileyan wrote...

The place for a class specific keep was DA2. So much could have been done with it in a decade spanning game. The rogues could have been a guild of spies and thieves, controlling the happenings of Kirkwall via blackmail and treachery.

The mages could have been more involved in making the mages more legitimate, and making Kirkwall a place of power for mages, important in the coming conflict.

Warriors? I have no real answer, because not every warrior would be a Templar in specialization or beliefs.

Anyway, the city adventure of DA2 was the perfect time to really do specific class adventures and their unique ways of rising to power. The whole single city thing and 10 years thing set it up. Instead we got a single ending no matter what you did.

The opportunity was squandered already, I figure out new keep will be similar to NWN 2, spend some gold to buff up the walls, get some merchants.

Mostly just mad Bioware wasted the whole idea of a great city adventure.

Rogues are NOT thieves. Can you see the Arishok participating in pickpocketing? Rouges in da2 is warriors using dextery and cunning instead of raw strenght.

Same is true for DA:O, really. Rogues, to me, felt more like light fighters than thieves and criminals.
Of course, some of them were criminals, but so were some warriors or mages.