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[KwangtungTiger]

Also the word "entitled" the way its used on bsn is more of a derogatory word against people who may not have liked any particular aspect of the game. Just like how people on here complain about those who love the game and talk about how low their IQ is or must love playing crappy games. It's not right either way but it is what it is it seems.

Modifié par KwangtungTiger, 27 novembre 2012 - 03:41 .

[chemiclord]

davidshooter wrote...

Nope, don't agree.

It's the best example of wasted resources in the game.

The problem I have with this argument is that it is based on an assumption that has no founding in evidence.  There's absolutely NO reason to believe that if Allers is not in the game that Bioware says, "Okay... let's put that into rendering Tali's face."

It's one thing to hate Allers (I personally am not fond of the character at all).  It's another to make a huge leap in logic in order to justify that dislike.

[Kileyan]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

magnetite wrote...

George Lucas did something similar with Star Wars. Due to the fan outrage regarding his films, and they way that they treated him, he basically said "no more Star Wars".

I wouldn't want Mass Effect to share the same fate. Some people really need to get over this. I mean, they need a big reality check. They're getting upset over a video game.

Could also have something to do with entitlement or the fact that they are "owed" certain things from the developers. These guys don't owe anyone anything. If this is the way they wanted to end the trilogy, so be it. Deal with it. There are more important things in life to worry about than how your favorite video game series ended.

Best. post. ever. Someone finally gets it.

but...........imho the prequel films were not very good at all. We should just swallow a bunch of crap, and praise George, because we are scared to make him mad? We should tell them we loved evrything they did, just to suck up and hope they will make more stuff we have to lie about liking, to play to their ego?  I'm sorry putting out bad stuff, then holding the fans hostage and saying you won't make more is childish in any profession, whether a game or a blockbuster generations spanning movie series.

BTW, it was recently announced that more Star Wars films might be in the works and George will not be involved. There was much rejoicing among Star Wars fans. Funny how that works.

Don't read things into my words. I didn't like the ending of ME3 at all, but it was no where on the level of the Star Wars prequels bad. I hope there are more ME games, but I won't pretend to like ME3, just to play to egos and encourage more games I won't like.

Deserves got nothing to do with it..........Bioware will make games because people will buy them, they won't withold new games to stick it to disgruntled fans that you have a beef with.

[davidshooter]

chemiclord wrote...

davidshooter wrote...

Nope, don't agree.

It's the best example of wasted resources in the game.

The problem I have with this argument is that it is based on an assumption that has no founding in evidence.  There's absolutely NO reason to believe that if Allers is not in the game that Bioware says, "Okay... let's put that into rendering Tali's face."

It's one thing to hate Allers (I personally am not fond of the character at all).  It's another to make a huge leap in logic in order to justify that dislike.

Everything that costs money in development comes from something else that could have been done instead.  This isn't hard to understand.  Whether BioWare ever actually thought to themselves "should we do Chobot's face or a full Tali reveal?" doesn't change the fact that they could have thought that, and given Tali's popularity with long time fans (and I should point out while I don't dislike Tali I'm not really a big fan myself) the choice was obvious.

Honestly, of all ME3's crazy dev decisons, fully rendering a review site's reporter into the game while photoshoping Tali was the dumbest. Seeing that image when it was found by fans actually remains, for me, the moment when Bioware officially jumped the shark forever.

[o Ventus]

OP sounds mad. Are you mad, OP? I can help you if you are mad. Please don't be mad.

[ImperatorMortis]

o Ventus wrote...

OP sounds mad. Are you mad, OP? I can help you if you are mad. Please don't be mad.

Man this "u mad" thing is getting old. Its like you don't even have to be clever to be insulting anymore. Its becoming the equivalent of "I know you are, but what am I."

And yes, before anyone says it.  "I mad." 

Modifié par ImperatorMortis, 27 novembre 2012 - 04:01 .

[o Ventus]

ImperatorMortis wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

OP sounds mad. Are you mad, OP? I can help you if you are mad. Please don't be mad.

Man this "u mad" thing is getting old. Its like you don't even have to be clever to be insulting anymore. Its becoming the equivalent of "I know you are, but what am I."

And yes, before anyone says it.  "I mad." 

Responses like mine tend to happen when the first post is a raging series of insults. Your fault for not finding it "clever" (despite the total non attempt at being "clever").

[ImperatorMortis]

o Ventus wrote...


Responses like mine tend to happen when the first post is a raging series of insults. Your fault for not finding it "clever" (despite the total non attempt at being "clever").

Nah. It was nothing against you personally.  I was just venting, because I'm kind of sick of seeing it all all the time. 

[Kileyan]

davidshooter wrote...

chemiclord wrote...

davidshooter wrote...

Nope, don't agree.

It's the best example of wasted resources in the game.

The problem I have with this argument is that it is based on an assumption that has no founding in evidence.  There's absolutely NO reason to believe that if Allers is not in the game that Bioware says, "Okay... let's put that into rendering Tali's face."

It's one thing to hate Allers (I personally am not fond of the character at all).  It's another to make a huge leap in logic in order to justify that dislike.

Everything that costs money in development comes from something else that could have been done instead.  This isn't hard to understand.  Whether BioWare ever actually thought to themselves "should we do Chobot's face or a full Tali reveal?" doesn't change the fact that they could have thought that, and given Tali's popularity with long time fans (and I should point out while I don't dislike Tali I'm not really a big fan myself) the choice was obvious.

Honestly, of all ME3's crazy dev decisons, fully rendering a review site's reporter into the game while photoshoping Tali was the dumbest. Seeing that image when it was found by fans actually remains, for me, the moment when Bioware officially jumped the shark forever.

Well said.


In what world does a game dev think to himself, I'm going to full model and voice this chick from IGN, who is not even a squad member and has never existed in this game universe before. But.....for Tali I am going to google a free stock photo. Not a world where they are grounded in what people want in the game, hence the endings.

Modifié par Kileyan, 27 novembre 2012 - 04:17 .

[Necrotron]

Wow, another 'Shepard deserves better fans' thread. These really need to stop.

[Kileyan]

Calinstel wrote...

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Subjective. I saw nothing wrong with Jessica Chobot's voice. As a reporter, she's paid to talk. And in the game she plays a character with the same career as her.

Also if you guys knew anything about graphics editing(I do,) you'd know that it takes longer than five minutes otherwise there would be a lot of noticable mistakes in the editing. Tali's picture edit was seamless.

Was staying out of this until the bold above.
Seamless?
In the sense the hackjob fit the frame mayhap but tell me O enlightened one.  How does seamless fit with the bastardized hand in the photo?  Or, a simpler question, how did Tali remove her suit and find a shawl to wrap herself in for the picture?

Sorry for the quote quote quote:)

Just responding to Grey saying he saw nothing wrong the Jessica's voice. How is that possible? I've listened to her on IGN for years, I have no problem with her voice. In ME3 is sounds exactly like she is reading something off of a teleprompter than she cannot see well. In a slow, stunted, emotionless cadence, like she is squinting to barely read and spit out the lines.

It isn't her fault, it is as if the director at Bioware voice HQ handed her a peice of paper, told her to read it out loud for the first time, then sent her home directly after. It was bad, and the fault of the voice guys, I'm sure she'd have did better, I know she can do better, doesn't cover up the fact it was horrible voice work for a game or even an IGN video.

My gosh those scenes were so painful to listen to, many ME3 players just ignored the character because it was annoying, not even knowing she was an interent mini celebrity to cloud their reasoning.

Modifié par Kileyan, 27 novembre 2012 - 05:19 .

[Kileyan]

grr mis edit

Modifié par Kileyan, 27 novembre 2012 - 05:17 .

[Bob Garbage]

You know the BSN isn't the entire ME fanbase. We don't all collectively read your threads, just a few of the unlucky ones like myself.

[Elorin Silverblade]

Yeah, lets punish the entire ME fanbase because discontent on the bsn, that's a great plan

Modifié par Elorin Silverblade, 27 novembre 2012 - 05:29 .

[Bill Casey]

magnetite wrote...

George Lucas did something similar with Star Wars. Due to the fan outrage regarding his films, and they way that they treated him, he basically said "no more Star Wars".

I was so relieved when I heard that...
Thank God...

[Lyrandori]

In my opinion they should not.

They should, indeed, leave the franchise behind and move to something else, perhaps try creating a completely new IP. But... EA's pockets demand otherwise, money speaks and the ME franchise still makes them money enough to justify "another ME game", whichever title it ends up with, and whatever new lore it includes.

In the end, it's about money, not because "they really want to continue the franchise". Actually, they don't care about the franchise itself, they care about the money that the franchise will bring to them. If you showed them proof right now that the franchise does not generate enough revenue anymore they would probably just cancel whatever is being done with ME4 right now and would announce its cancellation soon after.

[Femlob]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Cause frankly, all the abuse they've suffered the past year has proven now much you guys don't deserve another Mass Effect.

You'd just whine and complain like rotten spoiled babies about every little thing you don't like. Everything you don't understand, everything you don't think is "true to ME's style." and probably the fact that a different team is doing it(Bioware Montreal.)

Ever since Dragon Age II came out, you guys have been systematically attacking everything Bioware has done, exploiting even the smallest of holes like it's some big fat catasrophe.  Mass Effect Decption, Mass Effect 3, From Ashes, Leviathan, Extended Cut, Star Wars The Old Republic, Jennifer Hepler, Retaliation Pack, Paragon Lost. Everything you don't like, you come down on like a freaking army.

Yet for some reason you stay, you keep playing, you keep spending money, and just look like a pack of big fat hypocrites.

Maybe it's time to just grow up. Get over it, move on, do something besides act like a bunch of children who didn't get the right present on Christmas morning(if I were Santa, I'd give you all a lump of coal.)

So yeah, making Mass Effect 4 would be a mistake because it would be unappreciated, like everything else Bioware does is.

Worthless Peon uses Song of the Suck-Up!

It's not very effective...

5/5 and lol'd, would read again

[xeNNN]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Dot.Shadow wrote...

Last I checked Bioware claimed to want feedback from their customers.

There's critique and there's abuse. I've yet to see any critique.

dont go down this road, really. 

its angers me so much when people just make these stupid threads and JUDGE every single person here based on a few bad apples. really, its not our fault they post on every single thread lol. we do deserve a ME4. 

but right now i dont think you do !

btw when you talk about hypocrisy dont whine about whiners for whining........... i mean come on, how stupid are you? lol

Modifié par xeNNN, 27 novembre 2012 - 05:40 .

[Tishiro88]

 And here I thought I would see someone crying about bioware making me4 cause we did not get the ending we wanted thread. But it is just someone trolling the other winners( while I don't approve of whining I do approve of trolling whiners) so have at people.



P.s they can just make just make 1 copy of me4 and send it to me for free. 

Modifié par Tishiro88, 27 novembre 2012 - 05:59 .

[ZeCollectorDestroya]

I think you forgot something;

THIS IS BUSINESS. We can complain and buy all we want, because we give $$$. Who do you think is suffering more? The consumer who shelled out $100 dollars or the developer who got a nicer car and some pissed off hatemail? The former did.

And calling us all hypocrites for whining makes you an even bigger hypocrite for whining at us who are whining at Bioware. Because complaining about complaining is unproductive. And now I'm complaining about you complaining about us complaining at Bioware.

[daecath]

Maybe they shouldn't? Gee, ya think? That's a bit like saying "Maybe I shouldn't hit my head with this sledgehammer."

They have admitted they don't have a single clue what ME4 will be about. None. They don't even know if it's going to be a sequel or prequel. Which means they aren't making the game because they feel they have a good story to tell. But, if it's not about telling a good story, then what possible motivation could they have for making it?

Oh, that's right. $.

The exact same motivation that caused them to release ME3 before it was done. The same motivation that caused them to remove all the side quests, all the dialog options, all the conversation branches, all the RP elements, and any semblance of a coherent ending in order to shove in a multiplayer element no one wanted and release it in the same amount of time as ME2, but with twice the work that ME2 had.

As for why we're still here, well, personally I'm trying to get John Riccitiello and the rest of his cronies at EA fired and replaced with someone who actually knows something about making games, instead of making snacks and soda pop (which is what his work history is), and who actually cares about making good games instead of just making money.

[dorktainian]

wow