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[Parmida]

Apostitutes? yup,do want.

[Iosev]

I'm personally not a fan of the magi isolating themselves from the rest of Thedas. In my opinion, keeping the magi and the rest of Thedas separated merely widens the gap between them, resulting in neither group understanding the other. I'm afraid that all the isolation will do is breed more resentment, and inevitably lead to marches/wars with each other.

I think the best hope for Thedas is for the mages to be integrated into society. In all honesty, I think that it is the Chantry and nobility that fears mages the most; the commoner doesn't seem to be as fearful of them (e.g., many non-mage people actually try to protect Anders because he is providing healing for the low-class citizens).

Obviously integration will be difficult, but I think that it is the best approach in the long run.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

arcelonious wrote...

I'm personally not a fan of the magi isolating themselves from the rest of Thedas. In my opinion, keeping the magi and the rest of Thedas separated merely widens the gap between them, resulting in neither group understanding the other. I'm afraid that all the isolation will do is breed more resentment, and inevitably lead to marches/wars with each other.

I think the best hope for Thedas is for the mages to be integrated into society. In all honesty, I think that it is the Chantry and nobility that fears mages the most; the commoner doesn't seem to be as fearful of them (e.g., many non-mage people actually try to protect Anders because he is providing healing for the low-class citizens).

Obviously integration will be difficult, but I think that it is the best approach in the long run.

This is a very good point...The common people don't really give a damn about mages..

[mousestalker]

A Free Mage State would rapidly also produce a Mage Free State. Then acronyms would follow. So no.

[Rpgfantasyplayer]

I am in support of this, just so long as they don't all go crazy and everyone turns into an abomination as they were shown to do in DA2. I think that there are mages who can be strong and not resort to using a demon to get what they want. Show that mages can be good in bad situations and not all power hungry crazy people. Imo I had trouble with that in DA2. I could not really support either cause because they were so extreme.

[KingRoxas]

Happily? No.

Modifié par Kingroxas, 27 novembre 2012 - 08:02 .

[EmperorSahlertz]

No.

[Milan92]

 VIVA LA RE...ehm I mean ofcourse, I don't know, sounds like it would turn into a disaster 

[The Teyrn of Whatever]

thats1evildude wrote...

If you want a vision of the future, imagine a templar boot stamping on a mage's face — forever.

GTFO.

[lil yonce]

The Teryn of Whatever wrote...

thats1evildude wrote...

If you want a vision of the future, imagine a templar boot stamping on a mage's face — forever.

GTFO.

I like the 1984 reference, but the message is rather extreme.

Modifié par Youth4Ever, 27 novembre 2012 - 08:01 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

thats1evildude wrote...

If you want a vision of the future, imagine a templar boot stamping on a mage's face — forever.

Someone need to make a looping gif of that... now!

[harmoniousk]

I would get behind freeing mages from oppression but I don't think separation would be a path I'd want to go down. I think mages and non-mages need one another. I don't see how you can build a society when the only real skill you have is magic - you need carpenters, stone masons, farmers, etc, to name a few. And as mentioned before, the general populace, for the most part, accept mages. If a separate nation needs to grow - away from the yolk of the Chantry - then so be it - but it should be an inclusive society.

[3043907]

I would support it but I would want them watched or checked on every now and then maybe not with Templars searching every door but at least some inqustitors moving in and just watching not doing anything but just moneriting the situation if it is a success then let it be if its a new imperium then I say we burn it to the ground and plant everyone who lived there on a spike as an example

[CuriousArtemis]

Strange question, since my characters are separate from me and I don't generally get involved in pretend-world politics, but okay...

I would say "no" because think all people, whether dwarven, elven, human, or qunair, magic or non-magic, should be treated equally and should live together, not separately.

[Drakar123]

 The Chantry would absolutely never permit such a thing.The reason mages are locked up in circle towers isn't beause they are a threat to the common people (the chantry doesn't care about them at all and the nobles even less) but because if they were free they would take over whatever country they were in and turn it into a mageocracy.

If the imperium wasn't fighting the qunari then they could take over thedas practically unchallenged.A singe skilled blood mage could completely destroy a country like Orlais by mind controlling the nobles and starting a civil war.A nation of them could take over all of thedas without ever having to fight anyone.They would simply mind control the leaders into fighting each other until that nation's army was completely depleted.That is why they are in circles.Neither the chantry nor the nobles have any means of fighting against blood magic.That is why if it weren't for the first blight the tevinter imperium would still rule all of thedas today and if the magisters weren't fighting each other right now they would have beaten both the qunari and all other nations on thedas

Blood Magic is really powerful and only tevinter can defend against it since it is rulled by blood mages who have means to stop others from mind controling them.

All of this of course doesn't mean that a country rulled by mages would be a bad one.In fact It would be better then every other country on thedas because all the leaders would have to be competent to advance in a mageocracy(so no Cailan's or any other idiot leaders who would hand their country over to an evil empire because of their stupidity.Tevinter has never had an Archon who was a bad leader for instance) and both technology and magic would advance far faster then in any other country (chantry ruled countries have not made any technological or magical advancements for over 1000 years...).Magic would be far more common and could help the common people in their daily lives a great deal.It would be a far better country to live in then countries with noblity so I fully support the idea but the mages have to win the mage-templar war first.

[MissOuJ]

arcelonious wrote...

I'm personally not a fan of the magi isolating themselves from the rest of Thedas. In my opinion, keeping the magi and the rest of Thedas separated merely widens the gap between them, resulting in neither group understanding the other. I'm afraid that all the isolation will do is breed more resentment, and inevitably lead to marches/wars with each other.

I think the best hope for Thedas is for the mages to be integrated into society. In all honesty, I think that it is the Chantry and nobility that fears mages the most; the commoner doesn't seem to be as fearful of them (e.g., many non-mage people actually try to protect Anders because he is providing healing for the low-class citizens).

Obviously integration will be difficult, but I think that it is the best approach in the long run.

You know what? I came to this thead to say pretty much "H*ll to the yeah for a free mage state" but your point is much better and way more awesome.

My only objection is that some of the commoners do actually fear mages (there's some talk from NPC's in the Docks at least, if I remember correctly...?) - but that is mostly due to the influence of the Chantry and the nobility who like nothing better than to smear all mages with the "likely future possession victim until proven Tranquil" brush.

So, all in all, agreed. Very much!

Modifié par MissOuJ, 27 novembre 2012 - 09:35 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

MissOuJ wrote...

My only objection is that some of the commoners do actually fear mages (there's some talk from NPC's in the Docks at least, if I remember correctly...?) - but that is mostly due to the influence of the Chantry and the nobility who like nothing better than to smear all mages with the "likely future possession victim until proven Tranquil" brush.

Commoners fear mages because it makes sense to fear mages.
They are to be feared. It's not Chantry propaganda - it's basic survival instinct and common sense.
If anything, mages are feared less then before BECAUSE of the Circles. With the Circles, there are far less blood mages and abominations running around for commoners to fear. The reason abominations are rare ARE the Circles.

As for a mages integrated in society.... HAH!
Even if you could by some miracle integrate them, it would last untill the first major abomination incident happens. Then there would be a lot of gnaishing of teeth, people will want blood (take a look at 9/11), tensions would flare up, blows would be traded and you would see Circles back or all mages dead.

[Heimdall]

harmoniousk wrote...

I would get behind freeing mages from oppression but I don't think separation would be a path I'd want to go down. I think mages and non-mages need one another. I don't see how you can build a society when the only real skill you have is magic - you need carpenters, stone masons, farmers, etc, to name a few. And as mentioned before, the general populace, for the most part, accept mages. If a separate nation needs to grow - away from the yolk of the Chantry - then so be it - but it should be an inclusive society.

I'm not sure where people get the idea that the common people are so accepting.  People accept Anders because he readily heals them, I doubt that was an overnight occurrance.  When Wynn's foster parent found out about her power they locked her in a barn.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Lord Aesir wrote...
I'm not sure where people get the idea that the common people are so accepting.  People accept Anders because he readily heals them, I doubt that was an overnight occurrance.  When Wynn's foster parent found out about her power they locked her in a barn.

To be entirely fair, Kirkwall's citizens help escaping apostates as per Cullen's codex entry.  But he also points out that in most other places in Thedas, citizens fear apostates and help the templars rather than the mages.

[The Elder King]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...
I'm not sure where people get the idea that the common people are so accepting.  People accept Anders because he readily heals them, I doubt that was an overnight occurrance.  When Wynn's foster parent found out about her power they locked her in a barn.

To be entirely fair, Kirkwall's citizens help escaping apostates as per Cullen's codex entry.  But he also points out that in most other places in Thedas, citizens fear apostates and help the templars rather than the mages.

It probably based on how the mages are treated. The news about the Gallows are know by all the people in Kirkwall. And the treatment in Kirkwall, even before the arrival of Hawke, is harsher than other Circles.

[SeptimusMagistos]

Drakar123 wrote...

 The Chantry would absolutely never permit such a thing.

Them and what army? Because the one they had isn't taking their calls.

[xen0saur]

Foolsfolly wrote...

-snip-
Even if it just leads to the gallows.

I'd support it! Yo ho, yo ho, a pirates life for me! 

[frankf43]

ImperatorMortis wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

I'd only support if if they recognized the necessity of Circles and magical policing -- the former in the sense of magical education. Otherwise... no.

Why would they need a circle if everyone there were mages? And of course they would educate each other on magic. All mages do that, even apostates. 

CrystaJ wrote...

Demon says "hi".

Tevinter wasn't always a blood mage pissing contest.

And I don't think Spirit Healer uses demons, 

They use Spirits. 

http://dragonage.wik...i/Spirit_healer

I assumed thats what you meant since you used them in the same breath as Demons. 

CrystaJ wrote...
while magic itself is a cosmic force, so I don't know how that relates to this.

Then why would you say only Blood Magic involves "Cosmic Forces"? 

To lock the Templars in:)

[frankf43]

For me they should go to war and smash the evil that is the Chantry and the Templars that support it.