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[I3astion]

Crimson Vanguard wrote...

To be honest the problem lies on how the other AR are totally underpowered. The only pewpewpew AR that is good besides the Harrier is the Mattock which is Harrier's younger brother.

Phaeston? Seriously what kind of crap is that no wonder the Turian is losing the war. Because ****** can't kill stuffs
The Striker is tricky to use and was associated with Missile Glitcher.
The Falcon is outshined by Acolyte/Scorpion unless used with certain classes.
GPR is good on Geth Engineer because of Fire Explosion, without that it just a pos.
Saber is a scopless Sniper Rifle.
Valkyrie is crap.
Argus is not any better without certain classes and ammo power.
Vindicator? Mattock says get lost.
Avenger is common, get lost.
Typhoon? Many good things but also too many weakness.
Revenant? I need a smartchoke for this gun, no serious
CAR? Another Phaeston

This is the problem with comparing weapons to other in thier class. You did a good job of comparing the ARs to their equals after the fact though (Like the Falcon and Scorpion competing, the Acolyte is just in a league of it's own. 4500 damage to sheilds/barriers? C'mon..)

But I agree the Harrier's current competition (mid field, versitile) It hilariously underpopulated with real contenders. Of them I would count the Typhoon, Phaestron (still c'mon the Phae was and is a solid workhorse), Revenant, and GPR as actual contenders for the same field of the ARs. (Argus fufills a closer role and others a further one) Of those four only two are really usable without actually taking precautions for the weapon's faults (I'm withyou on the smart choke and the GPR is for a more dedicated marksman than I)

So you have the Typhoon and Phaestron the latter of which is dismissed almost universially and the former took a nerf hit to it's rev up damage (nevermind the MASSIVE capacity 1.5x to protection and 1.5x rev bonus still) So it to is left by the wayside. Leaving the Harrier as the dominant weapon in the role it fills.

Honorable mention to the Mattock but the Harrier is viewed as an 'upgrade' instead of the 'alternate' version that it is. So it too is passed up.

Modifié par I3astion, 27 novembre 2012 - 09:40 .

[Uchimura]

OneTrueShot wrote...

I PREDICT A RIOT.

Chakram Launcher as UR?

[Pavs719]

The day they nerf the harrier is the day I stop playing MP all together, Im sick of all the nerfs, a buff would be nice though.

[Lathlaer]

I am not convinced they will touch StimPacks yet. If they are looking at character usage, this weekend would be a poor indicator since everyone had additional motivation to play turians.

That being said, they could do it. Maybe cut them in half (max boost +2000) and then boost havoc (base shields/passives/passive damage).

[I3astion]

Barge6000 wrote...

Bastion are you advocating taking a phaeston to gold and plat and relying on it? Or are you advocating the division between you know and ULTRA RARE and something readily available in a 20k vet pack?

Let me grab my oven mitts for this one. 

I want people not to fall prey to the 'Ths is the Best X' beast. Every weapon has its place and has been balanced as such. If you need a decent mid-weight AR for gold then yes you could make due with the Phaestron. But currently the Harrier is the statistic superior in that field so more than likely you'll go with the Harrier. And that is fine.

But when every person on your team is also rocking the Harrier because it's the statistic superior to any other ranged weapon you all could be using. Then there's an issue.

[Jay_Hoxtatron]

Those who think the Harrier is OP have no idea how a well played Reegar or a PPR are superior to it. Or they also think the Reegar and the PPR are OP and should be nerfed.

[Crimson Vanguard]

Jay_Hoxtatron wrote...

Those who think the Harrier is OP have no idea how a well played Reegar or a PPR are superior to it. Or they also think the Reegar and the PPR are OP and should be nerfed.

QFT

[Major Durza]

Crimson Vanguard wrote...

I3astion wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

And it's not like the other guns are fesiable.  They make you take longer to kill things, but they aren't by any means bad.  People want to min-max, which I understand, but they can't start complaining when oh look...they can't do it.

That's just it. The other guns *are* fesiable. But when the consensus (Ha.. Legion) is that X gun is the best in the class why does anyone have a reason to look at Y or Z or hell.. Q? Niche guns like the Falcon find thier place sure but take this for example:

Barge6000 wrote...

They cant nerf the harrier, the. We won't have a powerful and versatile fully auto AR, which is essential in a shooter series.

if they nerfed it, it would be an average dmg weapon with a small clip, some recoil, playstlye killing reserve ammo and a high weight.

The Phaestron is a mid damage versitile AR with a decent clip and it's readily avaliable in any Vetran pack for 20k credits. *This* is what I'm advocating. Consider other weapons. Don't just hang them on the wall to break out for a challenge then leave to rot.

To be honest the problem lies on how the other AR are totally underpowered. The only pewpewpew AR that is good besides the Harrier is the Mattock which is Harrier's younger brother.

Phaeston? Seriously what kind of crap is that no wonder the Turian is losing the war. Because ****** can't kill stuffs
The Striker is tricky to use and was associated with Missile Glitcher.
The Falcon is outshined by Acolyte/Scorpion unless used with certain classes.
GPR is good on Geth Engineer because of Fire Explosion, without that it just a pos.
Saber is a scopless Sniper Rifle.
Valkyrie is crap.
Argus is not any better without certain classes and ammo power.
Vindicator? Mattock says get lost.
Avenger is common, get lost.
Typhoon? Many good things but also too many weakness.
Revenant? I need a smartchoke for this gun, no serious
CAR? Another Phaeston

Phaeston handles like an accurate SMG, and is about as powerful.  Useful on Turians, that's about it.
Striker is a weak 'nade launcher.
Falcon, same, slower ROF lighter and more niche than the striker
GPR, what Crimson said.
Saber, seconded.
Valkyrie is trying to compete with the Harrier, same weight range and less effective overall.  It fails, not as hard as BW's other burst weapons though.
Argus, too weak, slow, heavy, and kicks to hard to sounds like a malfunctioning printer.  Weapons platform classes make it decent.
Vindicator, high kick, low accuracy, obnoxious refire time, low ROF.  Seriously, why low ROF "Burst" weapons?  Does BW NOT know how these weapons are supposed to function?  The A2 does not *pew pew pew*
Avenger, common, garbage.  The only AR in this game that even remotely feels like an Assault Rifle, without the power.  Great feel, great concept, common and weak.  I would love to see a gold-quality equivalent in the future, but BW seems dead-set against a good versatile AR.
Revenant, worse spread than half of the shotguns in this game.  Kicks like a mule, inaccurate, heavy, not strong enough to compensate.  Only good enough with classes, attachments, and gear tailored to counter its many, many weaknesses.
CAR?  You mean the Avenger that weighs as much as a Revenant?  Nah, garbage.

[HolyAvenger]

I can't see a Harrier nerf happening. Saber buff incoming so they are looking at ARs, but I think the Harrier is reasonably well balanced right now for a UR.

[Eckswhyzed]

Jay_Hoxtatron wrote...

Those who think the Harrier is OP have no idea how a well played Reegar or a PPR are superior to it. Or they also think the Reegar and the PPR are OP and should be nerfed.

That's the issue - the Harrier is comparatively easy to use.

Not that I support a nerf - I still haven't figured that out yet.

[I3astion]

Jay_Hoxtatron wrote...

Those who think the Harrier is OP have no idea how a well played Reegar or a PPR are superior to it. Or they also think the Reegar and the PPR are OP and should be nerfed.

Good base cover. Leaves little room for discussion without the other party looking like a try hard.

The Reegar does something like ~3500 damage to shields and barriers /sec yes? A quick blast of lightning to strip defenses with barely any need to aim with accuracy enhancers being all but useless due to the stream's set pattern?

A lazy weapon.

[Jarno Mikkola]

Actually, the Demolisher's level 1 Supply Pylon needs a big Cooldown penalty, and to compensate that, it needs a boost on some/all the other things in it... and more cooldown bonuses, so the level 6 one has the cooldown optimized SP has the same use time as the current... but it gets to be more powerful. As the other option is to go full on grenades, passives and heath... making the whole class OP by the by.

The AI needs to actually try to activelly kill the drones/turrets&decoys, so it needs to assign a mook(as in one for each) to do it, after all there's 8 enemies and 4 players who can have well, 8 of them if all the players use the Volus Mercanaries... of course that's not likely, but ... and the non mook units then can go by them all they want, as long as there's no 10 waves lasting Geth turrets after the player exited early on on wave one.

[I3astion]

Crimson Vanguard wrote...

Jay_Hoxtatron wrote...

Those who think the Harrier is OP have no idea how a well played Reegar or a PPR are superior to it. Or they also think the Reegar and the PPR are OP and should be nerfed.

QFT

Aww c'mon.. you and I were having such a good chat. Dont leave me hanging with a quote from someone else 

[Bayonet Hipshot]

jpraelster93 wrote...

Dr. Akairos wrote...

Stimulant pack nerf.

This will hurt the Havoc..it won't happen

The nerf will come like this : Reduction of AR damage from cloak from 20s to 10 or 5...

[Greyfrogx]

On the topic of stimpacks surely if the issue is that it's making the TGI too tough they could deal with that and leave the havoc out of it?

They have the same power across multiple classes with slightly different numbers correct?

So if they felt it necessary they could hit the ghosts stim packs and buff the havocs in the same week?

I refer to the biotic charge buffs a few months ago where all classes had their BC buffed but the kroguard got the largest boost iirc

[Jay_Hoxtatron]

I3astion wrote...

Jay_Hoxtatron wrote...

Those who think the Harrier is OP have no idea how a well played Reegar or a PPR are superior to it. Or they also think the Reegar and the PPR are OP and should be nerfed.

Good base cover. Leaves little room for discussion without the other party looking like a try hard.

The Reegar does something like ~3500 damage to shields and barriers /sec yes? A quick blast of lightning to strip defenses with barely any need to aim with accuracy enhancers being all but useless due to the stream's set pattern?

A lazy weapon.

I know I should have been a lia-.. a politician I mean.

[Uchimura]

@ Bastion: The UR ARs are worth taking. Most of the other ones aren't when you compare them to UR ARs and a whole lot of SGs.

People like ARs. It's why Phaeston and Revenant see a lot of use even though they're not strong options. It's also why you see a lot of people using Harrier. It's hard to resist classic machine gun type weapons. It's also not wrong to expect that they should hit where you're aiming and should be worthwhile to bring along just like many other viable options.

If the AR class was as strong as the SG class you'd probably see a whole lot more people using ARs and I think BW is overcorrecting for that. AR HVB should've been what the SG and SR versions are.

Modifié par Uchimura, 27 novembre 2012 - 10:10 .

[uzivatel]

OneTrueShot wrote...

I PREDICT A RIOT.

GAME OVER, MAN!

[I3astion]

Jay_Hoxtatron wrote...

I know I should have been a lia-.. a politician I mean.

No no you did well.

Really I think I'm starting to sound preachy and overly morale which is just plain silly. (I blame the eggnog) Thinking of calling it here lest I incur the wrath of others and start being kicked from lobbies by people going "It's that I3astion guy.. fk him and his Eagle III on Gold [X] [X] [X]"

[CronisN7]

why is the PPR not included in any of these lists... its easily as good or better then the harrier and also doesnt have you humping amo crates all match long. having said that harrier/ppr/saber should be ballanced for gold+ as they are URs (and i think they are).

As for people who still think the harrier should be nerfed cause its to "easy". well I see it like the TGI, its easy to play but you will hit a plateau where it wont get any better while other classes/weapons continue to improve with practice.

Modifié par CronisN7, 27 novembre 2012 - 10:08 .

[stysiaq]

Idk, I think the team is trying to buff the least used weapons rather than nerf the good ones.
OP is very pesimistic.

[Pottumuusi]

I for one think it's atrocious that an ultra-rare weapon be good.

[HusarX]

@ OP
How to get paid for starting threads on BSN ?

I predict :
Harrier nerf
Acolyte nerf
Claymore nerf
PPR nerf
Turian nerf

Scimitar buff
Incisor buff
Predator buff
Volus buff

[I3astion]

Uchimura wrote...

@ Bastion: The UR ARs are worth taking. Most of the other ones aren't when you compare them to UR ARs and a whole lot of SGs.

People like ARs. It's why Phaeston and Revenant see a lot of use even though they're not strong options. It's also why you see a lot of people using Harrier. It's hard to resist classic machine gun type weapons. It's also not wrong to expect that they should hit where you're aiming and should be worthwhile to bring along just like many other viable options.

If the AR class was as strong as the SG class you'd probably see a whole lot more people using ARs and I think BW is overcorrecting for that.

Really so long as people use what they want to use it's not any business of mine. I'll just keep on keeping on with my Phaestron as Asari Adepts try to keep pace thinking they're Soldiers with their Harriers as they die shouting 'Stasis Bubble Y U no save me?"

sidenote: Not a challenge to Jay. You keep on keeping on ser and I'll stick to my easy-mode silver. Least until I actually learn to aim with a mouse. Moving your whole hand to aim.. awful.