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[Feneckus]

WoWwacker wrote...

you can definitely tell whos the good players are, they are the ones that are either at the objective or clearing to it at most if not all times. Sure you can rack up points by standing on the other side of the map while the team is doing the objective but is it because you are focused on the points or helping the team...

I agree.

Being on the other side of the map killing things is both selfish and stupid. It's selfish because you're not helping the team and it's stupid because enemies can respawn right next to the objective. 

If I'm carrying the pizza and I have a clear route to the LZ, I don't need you to kill/nuke stuff at the other end of the map so they can respawn between me and the LZ.

[Zjarcal]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

I disagree.

When I used to PUG, I would run into the occasional group who were very decent, but I would still score 200k+. Why? Because while they weren't bad players, I would simply find and kill the spawns before they could. In PUG's, the ability to not die is underrated IMO. I'll only say someone is a bad player if they constantly go down AND don't contribute much on the scoreboard.

Couldn't agree more with this.

Reminds me of one pug I did a looooong time ago, this guy scored last but was the only one beside me who wasn't dying constantly or getting sync killed. For about three waves it was just the two of us almost from the start since the other two kept getting sync killed, and not once did I have to worry about him. He may not have been able to kill stuff fast, but he was more than capable of staying alive even when overwhelmed and was very helpful during objective waves.

As I said, on that game he was last on the scoreboard (though he still scored decently), but he was by far the one that made the best impression on me.

These days I'll add anyone from a pug I play to my friend list if they were good enough to make the match go smoothly, regardless of score, because seriously, for the past two weeks pugs have been giving me nightmares. So many players that are completely underequipped (unmodded avenger 3 without equipment on gold ftw) or who just leech.

RedJohn wrote...

As I said, Feneckus is a great player, one of the best, but also, the team was really bad. 

Again, the team was bad, if you think the team was good then you should start changing your mind about what is a good or a bad team:wizard:

Nice attitude there...

Completely disagree on your definition of "good" and "bad" players.

Modifié par Zjarcal, 27 novembre 2012 - 07:32 .

[BridgeBurner]

Jack Crapper wrote...

I heard Jay once got the 20 headshot medal by the end of wave 1... with a Falcon... post nerf... with Explosive Rounds

[Miaoven Winter]

sy7ar wrote...

 Nice try, feneckus 2nd account 

[WoWwacker]

Feneckus wrote...

I agree.

Being on the other side of the map killing things is both selfish and stupid. It's selfish because you're not helping the team and it's stupid because enemies can respawn right next to the objective. 

If I'm carrying the pizza and I have a clear route to the LZ, I don't need you to kill/nuke stuff at the other end of the map so they can respawn between me and the LZ.

i will admit thats definitely the one thing that is lost on me.  Why people think killing is so important for objective waves.  I have watched people run by objectives to kill stuff just so that guy doing the objective gets shot in the back.  I will admit i wish they would make the first round an objective round because it would save me alot of headaches to know that a group is more concerned about killing and less about getting objective done.  

[Feneckus]

It's definitely possible to score 200k on a good team. It just depends on your definition of good.

If I don't have to solo a wave and the game was pretty fast, then it was a good team. I don't really care about how many points they scored or how many things they killed. They stayed alive and played well on objective waves, that's all you can ask for. And unfortunately, it doesn't happen that often.

Being good doesn't necessarily mean getting the 20 headshot medal in wave 3 or scoring a ton of points.

[BridgeBurner]

Feneckus wrote...

Being good doesn't necessarily mean getting the 20 headshot medal in wave 3 or scoring a ton of points.

Exactly.

I once got the 25 melee kills medal as a volus adept on collectors platinum. So I can safely say that I am the best.

[Kenadian]

aimimia wrote...

Kenadian wrote...

Well....so long as we're posting score screenshots.

fake! Jay needs 

Suck it Jay.

If Jay doesn't have 20 headshots by wave 3, it's photoshopped

It's from a Flamer/melee only run. I think it was Jay's idea in the first place, he also uploaded that picture. He photoshopped it himself.

[Stardusk]

Let's be honest. Everyone says don't care about score and yet most of us do. I have found ways of mitigating caring too much but no one wants to perform poorly. That is just a fact. So does score matter? Not really BUT almost everyone cares about it, so yes it does. That said, I don't even bother much when I play with Jay, I just look at it as easy credits.

[Learn To Love Yourself]

Stardusk wrote...

Let's be honest. Everyone says don't care about score and yet most of us do. I have found ways of mitigating caring too much but no one wants to perform poorly. That is just a fact. So does score matter? Not really BUT almost everyone cares about it, so yes it does. That said, I don't even bother much when I play with Jay, I just look at it as easy credits.

I can honestly say I do bypass the score screen at the end of a game quite often.  However, I do usually play with friends, so score matters even less.  You can tell ingame not only how much you are contributing, but also how much everyone else is, often just by feel.

I'll admit that I do sometimes check to see how much I am contributing in terms of damage when trying out different builds, but other times, I could care less.

Not everyone cares about score, even deep down inside.

[WoWwacker]

Stardusk wrote...

Let's be honest. Everyone says don't care about score and yet most of us do. I have found ways of mitigating caring too much but no one wants to perform poorly. That is just a fact. So does score matter? Not really BUT almost everyone cares about it, so yes it does. That said, I don't even bother much when I play with Jay, I just look at it as easy credits.

i think anyone of us saying score doesnt matter is kidding themselves.  Score is what drives most of the good players to be good.  But the point is that the better of the score doesnt mean the better of the player.  

I know that when I play I play to be first and that drives me to play the best game I can but I also choose to play within my definition of a good player.  IE i dont run off and rambo mobs while the group is on the other side of the map (unless they are running around irradically and I cant keep up), I play the objectives and kill only when needed on waves 3,6,10.  I use consumables as needed (I will admit I dont medigel if i know there are only a few mobs left and the other 3 area live).  If someone should outscore me and they do those things I commend them, if they do it and they are selfish then I label them as a bad player and I move on.  

[Zero132132]

Jack Crapper wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

Let's be honest. Everyone says don't care about score and yet most of us do. I have found ways of mitigating caring too much but no one wants to perform poorly. That is just a fact. So does score matter? Not really BUT almost everyone cares about it, so yes it does. That said, I don't even bother much when I play with Jay, I just look at it as easy credits.

I can honestly say I do bypass the score screen at the end of a game quite often.  However, I do usually play with friends, so score matters even less.  You can tell ingame not only how much you are contributing, but also how much everyone else is, often just by feel.

I'll admit that I do sometimes check to see how much I am contributing in terms of damage when trying out different builds, but other times, I could care less.

Not everyone cares about score, even deep down inside.

Wait, you don't look at the screen after the games? So I could start making outlandish claims about your score and you'd never know?

...I will hold on to this information.

Yeah, truthfully, I care about score. Not to the exclusion of other stuff, and I don't really care if others score low, just if I score low. I don't like feeling like I dragged down a match.

[Zjarcal]

Stardusk wrote...

Let's be honest. Everyone says don't care about score and yet most of us do. I have found ways of mitigating caring too much but no one wants to perform poorly. That is just a fact. So does score matter? Not really BUT almost everyone cares about it, so yes it does. That said, I don't even bother much when I play with Jay, I just look at it as easy credits.

That's the real important part and you don't have to top the board or even be very close to the top person to avoid performing poorly.

[Stardusk]

Zjarcal wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

Let's be honest. Everyone says don't care about score and yet most of us do. I have found ways of mitigating caring too much but no one wants to perform poorly. That is just a fact. So does score matter? Not really BUT almost everyone cares about it, so yes it does. That said, I don't even bother much when I play with Jay, I just look at it as easy credits.

That's the real important part and you don't have to top the board or even be very close to the top person to avoid performing poorly.

The compromise I make with myself is medals. So if I am using a weapon like a SMG or SR then I want at the very least 20 headshots by the end of the match and 50 kills medals. 75 kills are even better and the earlier the better. I don't get any of those I know I performed either poorly or I played with Jay or both.

[Crimson Vanguard]

I would never forget Feneckus's glorious wave 1 triple killstreaks

[greghorvath]

Dilandau3000 wrote...
How anyone can get this good at a game is beyond me.

the method to getting good at anything is fairly obvious. Its just that different people aim to get better at different things.

[Learn To Love Yourself]

Zero132132 wrote...

Wait, you don't look at the screen after the games? So I could start making outlandish claims about your score and you'd never know?

...I will hold on to this information.

Yeah, truthfully, I care about score. Not to the exclusion of other stuff, and I don't really care if others score low, just if I score low. I don't like feeling like I dragged down a match.

You can claim whatever you like
There are times, I do check the scoreboard, but I guess you'd be surprised how often I don't.  I usually move on to decide what character I feel like playing next.  You guys have mentioned things in the past about score (whether bad or good), and I have mentioned that I didn't check.

It's a toss up between you, Rev and myself who will be top score (since it's usually us 3), I suppose.  In any case, everyone can hold their own, and we have fun doing it.  Score can be inflated by a number of factors, so it can be misleading anyway. 

One thing I do sometimes keep track of are medals, which pop up ingame.  No need to check the scoreboard then (since I mostly want to track what medals I personally am getting).

[Stardusk]

greghorvath wrote...

Dilandau3000 wrote...
How anyone can get this good at a game is beyond me.

the method to getting good at anything is fairly obvious. Its just that different people aim to get better at different things.

Getting good at this game requires practice obviously, like anything else.

Other factors include age and genetic limitations, applicable to most activities as well.

[Bhatair]

Diablerist666 wrote...

We are the Spectres after all

There needs to be a cheesetastic 80s Saturday morning cartoon theme for you guys that plays whenever you enter a lobby. Like the Awesomenauts theme.

[TheThirdSpectre]

Dilandau3000 wrote...

I played with Feneckus today, first time I recall seeing a BSNer in a game (though I only realized where I knew the name from just now). He scored about 250,000 points in a gold pug.

TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTY THOUSAND POINTS! How is that even possible? If I end up in a particularly horrible pug and have to carry them, I might end up with 150,000, tops. And this wasn't a horrible pug. All of us were doing fine, albeit with slightly lower than usual scores because Feneckus apparently had a point magnet stored somewhere on his person.

It's only recently that I've become good at playing gold. I can now take almost any character to gold and make extraction, and not feel like a dead weight, even with non-favoured kits. With my favoured kits I can easily carry a bad pug. But today, I felt as useless as the day I first tried gold.

I quit the lobby after the game, because playing with someone who might as well be playing solo for all the difference you're making isn't fun. Sure, it's easy credits, but also boring.

How anyone can get this good at a game is beyond me.

You haven't played with I JuMpiN I, he scored over 350,000 points in a single Gold game.

[HolyAvenger]

Chevyboy88 wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

Chevyboy88 wrote...

This thread has delivered ^_^However there is a rather large gap between "good" players and truly elite players. I haven't seen him around pugs in awhile but I did a handful of games with Link a month ago or so, the two of us made "good" players look just brutal in the same manner that Jay seems to make other elites look like noobs

I agree with this. I'm happy to be a 100k behind Link with my Javelin GI on Goddess Plat. He was a level 5 Shadow.

I really need to put one of those games on youtube, so elite players can see what it's like to play with them from the other side

Ya Link is pretty crazy. I remember the one game we were both Vorcha, running around the map flaming all the things. It was awhile ago (I think I actually beat him that one by a thousand points or so ) but if I recall we finished the game in just over 16 minutes and the two other players with us struggled to score 40k points and they were by no means bad.

Link is the best player I've played with for sure, although I should say I've never played with Jay so who knows.

Easily...if you outscored Link, respect. 

BioWare, nerf Link plz



I was happy in the next game to be ONLY 60k points behind:lol:

[Dark Tlaloc]

greghorvath wrote...

Dilandau3000 wrote...
How anyone can get this good at a game is beyond me.

the method to getting good at anything is fairly obvious. Its just that different people aim to get better at different things.

I think it also has to do with how you approach the game.
For example, certain people will never think to use reload cancel, or use
invincibility frames to their advantage. Knowledge of the minutia of the game,
plus practice, will give some people an edge that others will never have.

[Blarg]

Try playing with Ashen. Or better yet, Uh Cold, only1biggs, and Clearly Balkan all at the same time.

Every time, I feel like such a noob. As in, more of a noob than when I first started in the demo. And I'm a gold player that regularly tops scoreboards...

...It's embarrassing.

[GallowsPole]

Going to need a big ass shovel to get through this thread.