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Isichar wrote...

I agree the RPG AAA market has had many miss-steps lately mostly in terms of not understanding what lies at the core of a great RPG and in the case of graphics I only ask that it is aesthetically pleasing. In that same sense a 10 year old game can be considered aesthetically superior to some of the modern day powerhouses. But I would prefer dated graphics over a RPG that tried to rely on the graphics too much. I can remember nearly every fight in BG, but I remember it my head the way I imagined the fight would actually look like, and I cant help but think giving me the tools to do that is in some ways superior to superior visuals anyways, though it may be cliche its true that the brain is the most powerful videocard there is.

The core of RPG's comes down to the gameplay and the story, the nostalgic factor is just an added bonus to me. Give me interesting characters, a fleshed out setting and an epic well written story and you got my ideal RPG. DA:O and the Witcher 2 are really the only RPG's that have hit that sweet spot for me in quite a long time.

The only advice I can give you in terms of waiting the week is try not to think about it, it will only make the passage of time feel slower and more of a grind. If you dont spend the whole time agonizing over how badly you want to play it then a week will fly by like nothing, and you have been waiting this long already so whats an exta week? :whistle:


Heh, well, BGEE wasn't available then as it will be this extra week. The thought of re-facing Sarevok, holy crap, the idea gives me chills. That is no joke. It's going to be a **** of a week. I still remember finding out who he was, the intensity it gave the game, and the battle? Oh man! Yeah, loooonnnng week. The newly added content looks very well done, too.

You make a good point with the less is more thing, leaving it up to the player's imagination. Very good point.

I think a lot of BG 2 still holds up well graphically after more than a decade so I would be hesitant to call it dated. That was a beautifully done game, IMO, especially for the time in which it came out. That said, give me BG even unenhanced over the likes of  . . . ahem . . . certain recent releases or those that are upcoming (Witcher series being the exception).

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I just hope I can make a Kensai/mage dual class that is as ridiculously overpowered as it was in BG2...

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Looking forward to trying the BGEE, but $20 is too expensive IMO. I'll probably pick it up when it goes on sale next year.


I don't think it's all that much. Besides, I want to support the effort to get BG2:EE done as well.

Isichar wrote...

I just hope I can make a Kensai/mage dual class that is as ridiculously overpowered as it was in BG2...


I've always thought dual classing was overpowered in the BGs. Due to the XP cap, you can basically get extra abilities "for free". It's a bit ridiculous.

I'm guessing kensai/mage is still going to be good.

Some of the others won't quite be as overpowered in BG1 because the level cap is lower. I'm guessing any pure fighter or fighter kit is going to be great, with mages lagging behind until late game.

Modifié par termokanden, 27 novembre 2012 - 09:45 .


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Isichar wrote...

I just hope I can make a Kensai/mage dual class that is as ridiculously overpowered as it was in BG2...


We can do it but i dont think it will overpowered like in BG2 due to low level cap and not so many magical stuff.

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I still think that combination will be. Seems better than a pure figher or mage to me.

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Isichar wrote...


naughty99 wrote...

Looking forward to trying the BGEE, but $20 is too expensive IMO. I'll probably pick it up when it goes on sale next year.


20$ too much for one of the most replayable games ever made? I refuse to listen to such blasphemy...

termokanden wrote...

I don't think it's all that much. Besides, I want to support the effort to get BG2:EE done as well.



I just bought 1 & 2 from GOG right before Beamdog made the announcment that they will produce an Enhanced Edition. Already been waiting a long time to try this game, I can wait another year or two.

Modifié par naughty99, 27 novembre 2012 - 09:49 .


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Not really fair to compare the enhanced edition to the old ones like that. It should definitely cost more.

It remains to be seen HOW enhanced it is, but it seems like it's worth the money to me.

Your choice though.

Modifié par termokanden, 27 novembre 2012 - 09:51 .


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Heh, well, BGEE wasn't available then as it will be this extra week. The thought of re-facing Sarevok, holy crap, the idea gives me chills. That is no joke. It's going to be a **** of a week. I still remember finding out who he was, the intensity it gave the game, and the battle? Oh man! Yeah, loooonnnng week. The newly added content looks very well done, too.

You make a good point with the less is more thing, leaving it up to the player's imagination. Very good point.

I think a lot of BG 2 still holds up well graphically after more than a decade so I would be hesitant to call it dated. That was a beautifully done game, IMO, especially for the time in which it came out. That said, give me BG even unenhanced over the likes of  . . . ahem . . . certain recent releases or those that are upcoming (Witcher series being the exception).


I know a lot of people that would disagree but I got no issues with dated graphics if the game is solid. BG graphics are decent overall and I find only difficult to deal with if I play outside window mode and try to stretch everything :pinched: Baldurs Gate 2 I would actually consider to have pretty good graphics all things considering. Some of the ingame character models are a bit weak but the portraits, environment visuals and attention to detail are all pretty impressive. You can pretty much always tell what you are looking at.

Sarevok was extremely badass, and I still remember the conversation with Koveras and the NPC to this day. Somehow they managed to make a villian that was equally badass in BG:SoA.

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Cyberarmy wrote...

Isichar wrote...

I just hope I can make a Kensai/mage dual class that is as ridiculously overpowered as it was in BG2...


We can do it but i dont think it will overpowered like in BG2 due to low level cap and not so many magical stuff.


True, it requires some longterm patience, but the result is you cutting through fire giants, drow and dragon armys like they were butter.

Modifié par Isichar, 27 novembre 2012 - 09:56 .


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termokanden wrote...

Not really fair to compare the enhanced edition to the old ones like that. It should definitely cost more.

It remains to be seen HOW enhanced it is, but it seems like it's worth the money to me.

Your choice though.


I don't have a problem with it costing more, my only problem is I just bought the GOG version, so I don't feel comfortable spending more than another $10 on the same game.

I imagine it would be different if I had played Baldur's Gate back when it was first released and was a huge fan of the series. However, I've never played this game before and it's hard to justify buying the same game twice in the same year.

At any rate, isn't the iOS version selling for $9.99? I'm sure the PC version will drop down to that price eventually.

Modifié par naughty99, 27 novembre 2012 - 09:56 .


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Oh I get that. I haven't had a proper playthrough in 10 years so for me it's almost new again.

I still don't know which class to make. I'm thinking of something wisdom based for once. Pure cleric maybe? Perhaps that's a bad choice.

Modifié par termokanden, 27 novembre 2012 - 10:02 .


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Oh I get that. I haven't had a proper playthrough in 10 years so for me it's almost new again.

I still don't know which class to make. I'm thinking of something wisdom based for once. Pure cleric maybe? Perhaps that's a bad choice.


Try a paladin imo. Solid tank and can be an ok healer.

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I might do that. Never did play one of those mostly because I hated missing out on the extra attacks from grand mastery.

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paladin was the first class I beat the series with. Plus if you are having doubts remember BGII will probably be redone and that means... Carsomyr! :o

Modifié par Isichar, 27 novembre 2012 - 10:14 .


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Carsomyr! Loved it :)

I do have fond paladin memories from BG1, but they revolve around Ajantis constantly telling me that everything has a sense of... evil about it.

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 I'll take Celestial Fury. That was one bad Katana. Whew! Bodhi without any paladins, that was a challenge. I did so love her as a villain; she almost and possibly trumped Irenicus. When they enhance BG 2, they'll hopefully give her more of a role and possibly (please, please) expand upon the Valen mod that Weimer did. Loved her as a NPC.

As for BGEE, I look most forward to reconvening with Minsc..

Modifié par google_calasade, 27 novembre 2012 - 10:21 .


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Flail of ages was always my weapon of choice, not even bosses are immune to the slow and it could actually damage just about everything in the game no matter what immunity's it had.

Too bad all these weapons dont come until BGII QQ.

Modifié par Isichar, 27 novembre 2012 - 10:21 .


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Flail of Ages was great. I got a thing for Katanas, probably cause I've trained with them.

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Bodhi was a great character.

I also loved Kangaxx. I *think* he was the one just spamming Imprisonment. Now that's scary.

Unfortunately Irenicus wasn't much of a challenge for me the first time around because I had the cloak of spell reflection. He killed himself. The second half of the fight was a bit trickier of course until I realized I could box in my squishies in one corner.

Oh, and I also need to do my first evil playthrough. I never did one!

Modifié par termokanden, 27 novembre 2012 - 10:24 .


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google_calasade wrote...

Flail of Ages was great. I got a thing for Katanas, probably cause I've trained with them.


Well they are described ingame as been rare and exotic, who doesnt love that? Katanas are the sexiest and more stylish weapons imo.

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Kangaxx lol, that fight is either impossible or easy mode depending on whether you know what your doing.

Oh and BG is one of the best games to be an evil douchebag, although I typically play an overall good guy the initial playthrough.

Modifié par Isichar, 27 novembre 2012 - 10:27 .


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Oh, Kangaxx! Yep, he spammed Imprisonment. Totally hard to defeat.

As for NPCs, who can forget Korgan? That guy cracked me right the hell up.

I never used the cloak of reflection, probably should have, because I had a heck of a time defeating Irenicus. It's gotten easier with subsequent play-throughs.

It will be cool, too, if they include the Darkest Day in BG2EE.

There is no way in hell I'm making it a week to get back into BG. Right now I'm running through my head everything about BG 1, the places, the quests, the characters. I'm fricking done for. I won't be sleeping much in lieu of finishing editing considering I know, I just KNOW I'm going to end up playing BGEE.

Modifié par google_calasade, 27 novembre 2012 - 10:28 .


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Im going to make an assassin this time, it seems they havent changed the poison blade skill which screams im OP!

Or Totemic druid. transform to blade spider (i hate them in BG1...) at lower levels? Yes pls!


BTW all demi-lich have "Imprisonment at will" skill. Korgan ates them for breakfast with proper axes or Crom Fayer!

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Isichar wrote...

Kangaxx lol, that fight is either impossible or easy mode depending on whether you know what your doing.

Oh and BG is one of the best games to be an evil douchebag, although I typically play an overall good guy the initial playthrough.


Ah, yeah, especially if you have Edwin in your party. Viconia . . . mmm, I wonder whether she will look like the BG 2 version or keep the same crazy look from BG 1.

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I really like Imoen, although due to the nature of how her character was added to the game last minute she definitely could have been handled better in BG1, but in BG2 I think she played a great role and would have liked to see it expanded more.

And then theres Minsk... BUTTKICKING FOR GOODNESS. What more is there to say?

Darkest day would be great if only just for the extra characters and gameplay, although I am sure the games will be moddable to some extent so maybe we may even see other additional fan mods, BG2 actually had a lot of good mods.

And I wouldnt blame you google_calasade if you broke down and played it before your weekend, I probably would too...