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[Herr Uhl]

esper wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

The game comes with 4 disc.

Ohh... that sounds good.
Too bad it is a male protagonist only as I remember it.

Imagine how many floppies that would be. Clearly that would make it a superior game.

[Conduit0]

Herr Uhl wrote...

esper wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

The game comes with 4 disc.

Ohh... that sounds good.
Too bad it is a male protagonist only as I remember it.

Imagine how many floppies that would be. Clearly that would make it a superior game.

At 1.44 megabytes per floppy, it would take 5,689 3.5" floppies just to cover a single 8 gigabyte DVD.

Which by the way the package containing those floppies would have to be 18.8 meters(61.7 feet) long to fit all of them in.

Modifié par Conduit0, 27 novembre 2012 - 10:51 .

[Ninja Stan]

garrusfan1 wrote...

 I don't think anyone would have a problem with two disks instead of one if it is needed. So feel free to make DA3 2 disks if needed if it means more game content. Most people agree right

Yes, some people would agree. Others, such as those who complained about having to switch discs during Mass Effect 3, would disagree. Regardless of the amount of content, having to switch discs means your game experience is interrupted and the player forced to manually swap discs. Some see this as an unnecessary imposition on their game experience. Others, however, see it as a necessary part of playing a large game.

Most older gamers, who became accustomed to disc swapping in the floppy disc and early CD-ROM era, grew up having to swap discs many times during large-scale games.

[deuce985]

Maybe it's not the fact they're worried about the consumer using two discs but royalties they have to pay companies like M$ to produce two discs on their console.

[deuce985]

Ninja Stan wrote...

garrusfan1 wrote...

 I don't think anyone would have a problem with two disks instead of one if it is needed. So feel free to make DA3 2 disks if needed if it means more game content. Most people agree right

Yes, some people would agree. Others, such as those who complained about having to switch discs during Mass Effect 3, would disagree. Regardless of the amount of content, having to switch discs means your game experience is interrupted and the player forced to manually swap discs. Some see this as an unnecessary imposition on their game experience. Others, however, see it as a necessary part of playing a large game.

Most older gamers, who became accustomed to disc swapping in the floppy disc and early CD-ROM era, grew up having to swap discs many times during large-scale games.

If it's built where the person only has to change the disc once the entire time they play, then it shouldn't be a problem. If it's built to be intrusive on the gameplay, then it becomes a problem. Star Ocean 4 on 360 is an example. Each time you backtracked to an old world, you had to switch to the proper disc. That was over 4 discs. That's intrusive to the gameplay.

A one-time disc switch and I don't see what people have to complain about. Is it really that bad to get up and change the disc once? That almost seems like too much laziness to me. I could understand an argument like SO4 though.

[chuckles471]

Get off your lazy arse, put your food down and change the disc. Or if that is too much of a strain, get a console with a decent hard drive.

[Fortlowe]

Completely behind multiple discs in DA3:I. Hell, three discs if need be.

[ImperatorMortis]

I've always liked Multiple Disks. They remind me of my Playstation RPG days.

Modifié par ImperatorMortis, 28 novembre 2012 - 04:38 .

[thenemesis1]

ImperatorMortis wrote...

I've always liked Multiple Disks. They remind me of my Playstation RPG days.

This right here, I love my collection of PS rpgs and the art work on the disc. I would love that for Dragon age. instant buy for me.:happy:

[Orian Tabris]

Be afraid, BioWare! Be very afraid!

I assume the concept of having two disks, is for Xbox (and possibly PS). Focus on the PC DA players, BioWare! It's not worth obsessing over how DA should look/be on a console, because PC will be forever better for this series!

[Massakkolia]

Maria Caliban wrote...

I remember when I first got my DVD PC drive. I thought '8 GB of space? I'll never see a two disk game again.'

What a difference five years makes.

Yeah, one should never say never. Games have become gigantic. But, I'm still going to jump the gun and claim this really is the last generation we'll have any games requiring multiple discs. Even now it's only Xbox that sometimes needs multiple discs, right? Playstation has plenty of space with Blu-ray discs.

While I think DA3 will be for the current generation, it is possible that it will be released for new consoles. If that happens, the game will most likely fit to one disc no matter the format. (Assuming the next generation even uses discs. It's probable, but it will undoubtedly be the last generation to do so. We'll have better compressed games that are distributed only digitally.)

As a PC (and PS3) gamer I'm admittedly a bit annoyed that game design has been slightly crippled due Xbox's space issues.

Modifié par Ria, 28 novembre 2012 - 05:34 .

[esper]

deuce985 wrote...

Ninja Stan wrote...

garrusfan1 wrote...

 I don't think anyone would have a problem with two disks instead of one if it is needed. So feel free to make DA3 2 disks if needed if it means more game content. Most people agree right

Yes, some people would agree. Others, such as those who complained about having to switch discs during Mass Effect 3, would disagree. Regardless of the amount of content, having to switch discs means your game experience is interrupted and the player forced to manually swap discs. Some see this as an unnecessary imposition on their game experience. Others, however, see it as a necessary part of playing a large game.

Most older gamers, who became accustomed to disc swapping in the floppy disc and early CD-ROM era, grew up having to swap discs many times during large-scale games.

If it's built where the person only has to change the disc once the entire time they play, then it shouldn't be a problem. If it's built to be intrusive on the gameplay, then it becomes a problem. Star Ocean 4 on 360 is an example. Each time you backtracked to an old world, you had to switch to the proper disc. That was over 4 discs. That's intrusive to the gameplay.

A one-time disc switch and I don't see what people have to complain about. Is it really that bad to get up and change the disc once? That almost seems like too much laziness to me. I could understand an argument like SO4 though.

Mass Effect 2 is sadly also an example. I had to switch disks 10 times doing one playthrough which is not allright. I want more than one disk, but they really have to think about which quests goes where so that when you switch you switch.

[esper]

Ria wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

I remember when I first got my DVD PC drive. I thought '8 GB of space? I'll never see a two disk game again.'

What a difference five years makes.

Yeah, one should never say never. Games have become gigantic. But, I'm still going to jump the gun and claim this really is the last generation we'll have any games requiring multiple discs. Even now it's only Xbox that sometimes needs multiple discs, right? Playstation has plenty of space with Blu-ray discs.

While I think DA3 will be for the current generation, it is possible that it will be released for new consoles. If that happens, the game will most likely fit to one disc no matter the format. (Assuming the next generation even uses discs. It's probable, but it will undoubtedly be the last generation to do so. We'll have better compressed games that are distributed only digitally.)

As a PC (and PS3) gamer I'm admittedly a bit annoyed that game design has been slightly crippled due Xbox's space issues.

I hope they won't be distrubted digitally ever. PSN and X'box live are not good enough or stable enough for that, no matter how good the consoles becomes.

[Chiramu]

Final Fantasy 13 is the latest game I got that was on multiple DVDs and that was because of the cinematics probably. Since Dragon Age has no video cinematics they've probably saved a lot of space.

[Bfler]

Ninja Stan wrote...


Most older gamers, who became accustomed to disc swapping in the floppy disc and early CD-ROM era, grew up having to swap discs many times during large-scale games.

During which game you had to swap floppy discs? I don't know one game where you had to do it. 

Modifié par Bfler, 28 novembre 2012 - 09:32 .

[Kidd]

ME2 has a very non-intrusive disc swap, though ME3 does not. I'd prefer ME3 style swapping if it was inevitable over having the content cut, however.

I'd love for BioWare to look into whatever voodoo Konami cooked up for Castlevania Lords of Shadow though. That game is on two discs for the 360, but if you've installed the second disc on your harddrive then you never need to swap discs again.

People sharing discs isn't really a problem since only the first disc can authorise the content on both discs; the second disc can never under any circumstance allow play for content on the first. So it would not impact sales, it'd just make the consumer experience all the better.

This entire topic is of course moot if DA3 comes out for Xbox720 and PS4 and the xbox has picked up bluray or some other high storage media.

esper wrote...

Mass Effect 2 is sadly also an example. I had to switch disks 10 times doing one playthrough which is not allright. I want more than one disk, but they really have to think about which quests goes where so that when you switch you switch.

2? You only switch twice. Once after finishing all the available main plot quests available in the first hub, then you don't swap back until you start the final mission and go beyond the point of no return.

Bfler wrote...

During which game you had to swap floppy discs? I don't know one game where you had to do it. 

Moonstone for instance. An amazing action RPG (with an incredibly fun optional multiplayer experience!) spanning three (or was it four?) floppies.

Modifié par KiddDaBeauty, 28 novembre 2012 - 09:54 .

[Bfler]

KiddDaBeauty wrote...

Bfler wrote...

During which game you had to swap floppy discs? I don't know one game where you had to do it. 

Moonstone for instance. An amazing action RPG (with an incredibly fun optional multiplayer experience!) spanning three (or was it four?) floppies.

Never heard of this game, it looks a bit like Golden Axe.

[iOnlySignIn]

What is this "Disk" thing you talk about?

[Puzzlewell]

Bfler wrote...

Ninja Stan wrote...


Most older gamers, who became accustomed to disc swapping in the floppy disc and early CD-ROM era, grew up having to swap discs many times during large-scale games.

During which game you had to swap floppy discs? I don't know one game where you had to do it. 

As far as floppies are concerned, a lot o the time it was disk swapping during installation. CD swapping though, plenty of adventure games of the 90s required you to swap up to 7 cds throughout a single playthrough (Sierra games especially)  

[Bfler]

CalamityRanger wrote...

Bfler wrote...

Ninja Stan wrote...


Most older gamers, who became accustomed to disc swapping in the floppy disc and early CD-ROM era, grew up having to swap discs many times during large-scale games.

During which game you had to swap floppy discs? I don't know one game where you had to do it. 

As far as floppies are concerned, a lot o the time it was disk swapping during installation. CD swapping though, plenty of adventure games of the 90s required you to swap up to 7 cds throughout a single playthrough (Sierra games especially)  

Yes, I know about floppy disc swapping during installation , but I have never played a game, where you had to swap the floppy discs while you were playing it.

[xkg]

Bfler wrote...

CalamityRanger wrote...

Bfler wrote...

Ninja Stan wrote...


Most older gamers, who became accustomed to disc swapping in the floppy disc and early CD-ROM era, grew up having to swap discs many times during large-scale games.

During which game you had to swap floppy discs? I don't know one game where you had to do it. 

As far as floppies are concerned, a lot o the time it was disk swapping during installation. CD swapping though, plenty of adventure games of the 90s required you to swap up to 7 cds throughout a single playthrough (Sierra games especially)  

Yes, I know about floppy disc swapping during installation , but I have never played a game, where you had to swap the floppy discs while you were playing it.

Ever heard about Amiga ? Disk swapping was very common in those old days. There were a quite few games like that for an early PCs (without HDD) too.

For example "Legend Of Kyrandia" - 9 floppies, "Willie Beamish" - 12 floppies.
Playing those was real PITA, you had to switch the disks every few minutes.

Willy Beamish 12 floppies set for Amiga 500:

[Mike_Neel]

PS3 user here. Seeing how bluray is 25gig i don't think this will be a problem for me. Even if they do two xbox discs that's still only 12 gigs of content which is still under half of a blu rays storage capability.

[BubbleDncr]

having it on 2 disks would only limit the player's in game freedom, I think. Cos it would either limit where you can go/what order you can do your quests, or make the player switch disk a bunch.

For instance, DA:O could only have a disk switch right before the final battle, if you didn't want the player to have multiple disk swaps throughout the game.

DA2 could have had a disk swap every time skip, but re-using environments made that not necessary. So I guess if DA3 has a time skip, or a point in it where you can' go back and do any side quests you had earlier in the game (which tends to annoy me), then they can put it on multiple disks. But I'd prefer one disk.

[Rawgrim]

I feel fairly certain that the game will be on at least 2 disks. the new game engine is more graphics heavy, isn`t it?

[PsychoBlonde]

JWvonGoethe wrote...

Someone better contact the devs to tell them to put it on multiple discs now that we've sorted that out.

They could just release the game uncompressed. :happy: