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[Solas]

Thought it was too expensive, yeah.

[TweedleDee66]

Ninja Stan wrote...

Game product pricing is not based on playtime or game length, just as the admission price for movies is not variable based on how long the movie is or what kind of budget it had. Not to mention that expecting product pricing to be based on how much time you played it is a little ridiculous. There is no way for a publisher to know how long it will take you, specifically, to finish a game product, let alone set their prices accordingly.

DLC pricing is also not based on its size compared to the size of the main game, nor on how long it takes a player to finish is compared to how long it took that same player to finish the main game. Keep in mind that the number of players who purchase DLC remains but a small fraction of the number who purchase the main game.

DLC is, of course, completely optional and is not required to enjoy and complete the main game.

I see a lot of what its not based on but nothing about what it is based on.

[Andromidius]

TweedleDee66 wrote...
I see a lot of what its not based on but nothing about what it is based on.

I think its a test to see how much people are willing to pay.  Nothing more.

And if the feedback I've seen is anything to go by, then the next DLC better be cheaper because people aren't going to be happy paying for the same level of content at that price again.

[p.W]

TweedleDee66 wrote...

Ninja Stan wrote...

Game product pricing is not based on playtime or game length, just as the admission price for movies is not variable based on how long the movie is or what kind of budget it had. Not to mention that expecting product pricing to be based on how much time you played it is a little ridiculous. There is no way for a publisher to know how long it will take you, specifically, to finish a game product, let alone set their prices accordingly.

DLC pricing is also not based on its size compared to the size of the main game, nor on how long it takes a player to finish is compared to how long it took that same player to finish the main game. Keep in mind that the number of players who purchase DLC remains but a small fraction of the number who purchase the main game.

DLC is, of course, completely optional and is not required to enjoy and complete the main game.

I see a lot of what its not based on but nothing about what it is based on.

The market. That simple. No other explanations required. When was the last time you went out of your way to **** out a gas station for raising the price on fuel? AFAIK fuel hasn't really gotten better over the years, but the price keeps going up. Should we boycott?

Producing games isn't getting cheaper, it's getting more expensive. Voice actors get paid more now than they used to. And bringing a voice actor back for DLC is inefficient, because they're unlikely to have enough lines to maximize full working days.

A ticket to a movie that lasts anywhere between eighty minutes and two and a half hours in Vancouver costs $12. I can't rewatch the movie. A minimum of three hours of entertainment that can be endlessly replayed being priced at $15 is competitive, and it is reasonable. It's not ideal, but it is close enough.

And for the guy who said that he doesn't buy popcorn at movies on principle... I laugh. Honestly. I have nothing against your distaste for the workings of Capitalism, but your naivete at attempting to change the system from the bottom up by "sticking it to the man" would be endearing if it wasn't adding fuel to this tediously "controversial" fire. Western Capitalism is much more screwed than DLCs being overpriced by a couple of dollars, and if you're genuinely concerned, I suggest political activism.

[Bourne Endeavor]

I have said it before, and shall once more. The price increase is to make up for the Extended Cut being free. Remember, BioWare never intended to make that DLC. I doubt they enjoyed paying for it.

[RiouHotaru]

13Dannyboy13 wrote...

It's the nature of the industry these days sadly, it's all about the money now, the prices will keep rising as long as people will rush to buy the dlc as soon as it comes out. I do agree with the OP that most dlc is lacking the necessary quality to justify the prices we see, but as long as people will keep buying on day one, the companies will keep raising the prices.

I like this idea that somehow it's obviously a ploy to see how much people will pay and they'll just keep charging more and more.

This is like arguments about DLC that result in a slippery slope wherein plot-vital elements to a game become DLC.

[Fawx9]

RiouHotaru wrote...

13Dannyboy13 wrote...

It's the nature of the industry these days sadly, it's all about the money now, the prices will keep rising as long as people will rush to buy the dlc as soon as it comes out. I do agree with the OP that most dlc is lacking the necessary quality to justify the prices we see, but as long as people will keep buying on day one, the companies will keep raising the prices.

I like this idea that somehow it's obviously a ploy to see how much people will pay and they'll just keep charging more and more.

This is like arguments about DLC that result in a slippery slope wherein plot-vital elements to a game become DLC.

And to the right I present you Capcom...

It's hard to be exagerating when its happening.

[dewayne31]

i thought it was worth it. It was priced to Carrie Ann Moss the heck yea it was worth it.

[timj2011]

Eh, 30% more than it shoulda been. Whatev. They got Carrie Ann Moss for the whole thing, that must have cost a bit.

Remember all of the free MP dlc...if this was activision or micro$oft each would have been 15 bucks

[Mendelevosa]

Zuzu Mumu wrote...

will you stop complaining and enjoy? if you complain so much will you ever have time to actually enjoy this wonderful world? i say explore more , and bish about it less

I do not see the OP nagging in any way. He is simply giving his constructive feedback on the Omega DLC's quality compared to its price tag. 

Besides, feedback is how companies learn what and what not to do. Saying that people should cease criticizing is similar to saying that people should make sure all companies fail and go bankrupt.

[RainbowDazed]

True, the prize of this DLC was a bit high, but I still paid it gladly. Haven't played the DLC yet but I have enjoyed every single DLC so far. It's not the lenght that matters, it's the content.

[known_hero]

Ninja Stan wrote...

Game product pricing is not based on playtime or game length, just as the admission price for movies is not variable based on how long the movie is or what kind of budget it had. Not to mention that expecting product pricing to be based on how much time you played it is a little ridiculous. There is no way for a publisher to know how long it will take you, specifically, to finish a game product, let alone set their prices accordingly.

DLC pricing is also not based on its size compared to the size of the main game, nor on how long it takes a player to finish is compared to how long it took that same player to finish the main game. Keep in mind that the number of players who purchase DLC remains but a small fraction of the number who purchase the main game.

DLC is, of course, completely optional and is not required to enjoy and complete the main game.

So, what IS it based on? What exactly makes this DLC $15?

[Ninja Stan]

known_hero wrote...

So, what IS it based on? What exactly makes this DLC $15?

Probably the same as any other product: some kind of profit projection based on production + marketing costs, estimated number of sales, and assumptions of audience buy-in based on previous purchasing behaviour, modified by historical data of similar products, similar release date, and/or similar product type.

It's not a terrible thing to kinda know how economics works. Basic economics concepts was high school social studies for me. The rest was not assuming the worst or buying into knee-jerk internet hyperbole, and having worked in both retail and game development for the last 15 years.

People who think that a company is "just in it for the money now" is both absolutely right and completely wrong. They are wrong because they see the pursuit of profit as a bad thing. Or, at the very least, that pursuit of profit over some nebulous idea of "artistic integrity" (the actual use of the term, not the more recent ME3 meme) is somehow bad or a betrayal of consumer confidence or fandom. They are right because profit is the only pursuit of a company. That's why they're companies in the first place rather than artistic collectives, and even a collective has to pay their rent somehow. You've paid for tons of products from thousands of companies, yet no one ever accuses Colgate of "milking their customers" or Frito-Lay of "just being in it for the money." It's only the creative industries, as if creators can pay their rent with fan adoration and buy food with respect.

Note that I am speaking only to the idea of "DLC price tag ridiculousness and basic math." Consumers are, as always, free to buy or not buy any product they wish for whatever reason they wish. 

[TweedleDee66]

p.W wrote...

TweedleDee66 wrote...

Ninja Stan wrote...

Game product pricing is not based on playtime or game length, just as the admission price for movies is not variable based on how long the movie is or what kind of budget it had. Not to mention that expecting product pricing to be based on how much time you played it is a little ridiculous. There is no way for a publisher to know how long it will take you, specifically, to finish a game product, let alone set their prices accordingly.

DLC pricing is also not based on its size compared to the size of the main game, nor on how long it takes a player to finish is compared to how long it took that same player to finish the main game. Keep in mind that the number of players who purchase DLC remains but a small fraction of the number who purchase the main game.

DLC is, of course, completely optional and is not required to enjoy and complete the main game.

I see a lot of what its not based on but nothing about what it is based on.

The market. That simple. No other explanations required. When was the last time you went out of your way to **** out a gas station for raising the price on fuel? AFAIK fuel hasn't really gotten better over the years, but the price keeps going up. Should we boycott?

Producing games isn't getting cheaper, it's getting more expensive. Voice actors get paid more now than they used to. And bringing a voice actor back for DLC is inefficient, because they're unlikely to have enough lines to maximize full working days.

A ticket to a movie that lasts anywhere between eighty minutes and two and a half hours in Vancouver costs $12. I can't rewatch the movie. A minimum of three hours of entertainment that can be endlessly replayed being priced at $15 is competitive, and it is reasonable. It's not ideal, but it is close enough.

And for the guy who said that he doesn't buy popcorn at movies on principle... I laugh. Honestly. I have nothing against your distaste for the workings of Capitalism, but your naivete at attempting to change the system from the bottom up by "sticking it to the man" would be endearing if it wasn't adding fuel to this tediously "controversial" fire. Western Capitalism is much more screwed than DLCs being overpriced by a couple of dollars, and if you're genuinely concerned, I suggest political activism.

Got to love people like you and your comparing downloads to video games with non related things. Great logic system.

-If a gas station has higher priced gas, I don’t need to complain to them about it, I go to their competition with the lower price and buy the gas there. You cant buy downloads for a game from someone besides the people who make the game. So there is no shopping around for the better price, big difference here.

-If you enjoy the movie then buy the DVD and then you can re-watch the film as often as you want or just skip to your favorite parts. After a while you can get them cheaper than this download. Personally I go to the early shows where the movie is cheaper and the theater is a lot less crowded. Again, movies are not game downloads, not even remotely close. Downloads for a game are only replayable IF they actually have replay value. By that I don’t mean replayng the same mission with another Shepard and doing the same thing each time. It has options to affect the course of the mission like kill or save this person, or the seemingly forgotten Paragon/Renegade choices and interrupt system. $15 for this download for what sounds like an average of a little over 3 hours of gameplay and very few extras IS NOT worth the price of admission.

Yea, it must have been that naiveté that got all of the pissed off ME3 gamers to get the Extended Cut ending content made right?

[Midz]

Basic Math is it cost the same as a take out Pizza here.

You have a choice dont buy it I did and was better value than a pizza so happy.

Simply whatever Bioware do or EA a vociferous group will claim the sky is falling unfairness evil intent etc etc ad nauseum.

The DLC was good you dont like the price fine dont buy it or wait till on sale .

But all you are doing is whining like a petulant child.

[Liamv2]

Don't like it don't buy it thats why i don't play battlefield any more

[FlamingBoy]

Midz wrote...

Basic Math is it cost the same as a take out Pizza here.

You have a choice dont buy it I did and was better value than a pizza so happy.

Simply whatever Bioware do or EA a vociferous group will claim the sky is falling unfairness evil intent etc etc ad nauseum.

The DLC was good you dont like the price fine dont buy it or wait till on sale .

But all you are doing is whining like a petulant child.

No i could buy pizza at the nearest competitor for a cheaper price, in the case of mass effect I have to buy it from bioware (aka EA) they hold the keys to this fort and quite frankly its quite disgraceful

goading me in then charging more in unknown, unpredictable costs

[tangalin]

jsamlaw wrote...

How is this issue not disposed of by simply saying if you don't like the price don't buy it?

You're not *entitled* to play the DLC, nor are you *required* to spend money.  Life is simply one choice after another.

Correct, however we ARE required to not recieve a refund after we spent money on something due to fraudulent marketing.

[Midz]

FlamingBoy wrote...

Midz wrote...

Basic Math is it cost the same as a take out Pizza here.

You have a choice dont buy it I did and was better value than a pizza so happy.

Simply whatever Bioware do or EA a vociferous group will claim the sky is falling unfairness evil intent etc etc ad nauseum.

The DLC was good you dont like the price fine dont buy it or wait till on sale .

But all you are doing is whining like a petulant child.

No i could buy pizza at the nearest competitor for a cheaper price, in the case of mass effect I have to buy it from bioware (aka EA) they hold the keys to this fort and quite frankly its quite disgraceful

goading me in then charging more in unknown, unpredictable costs

 No is the same  you can buy a different Pizza  not that Brands Pizza .You cant  buy that brand pizza from a competitor.

 You can buy a different game  not the EA brand one .

Or  if prefer where I live was the same a 3 Starbuck expressos ....yes  can buy coffee from a competitor ..but not the same coffee.

Bioware make the product they can set the price  .You can accept it or reject it  buy a different game.

But the price is  not overpriced disgracefull evil or anything  its  just a price .

We are just consumers there are many things from games  to cars that many think are too expensive  and probably are .But it is  not disgracefull  , and without knowing  the production costs  sales and  profit  per unit imposible to even  claim  greedy .

All you can say is  I dont like the price   that is a valid opinion  but to  claim evil bad intent  has no logic and borders on puerile.



 

[hawat333]

For ten dollars, you can the The Walking Dead (Telltale Games) Season Pass in action on Steam now. High replayability, interesting characters, choices and decisions that really shape the story.
For fifteen bucks, you can get Omega.

Do the math. Do the wise thing.

[tangalin]

Midz wrote...

FlamingBoy wrote...

Midz wrote...

Basic Math is it cost the same as a take out Pizza here.

You have a choice dont buy it I did and was better value than a pizza so happy.

Simply whatever Bioware do or EA a vociferous group will claim the sky is falling unfairness evil intent etc etc ad nauseum.

The DLC was good you dont like the price fine dont buy it or wait till on sale .

But all you are doing is whining like a petulant child.

No i could buy pizza at the nearest competitor for a cheaper price, in the case of mass effect I have to buy it from bioware (aka EA) they hold the keys to this fort and quite frankly its quite disgraceful

goading me in then charging more in unknown, unpredictable costs

 No is the same  you can buy a different Pizza  not that Brands Pizza .You cant  buy that brand pizza from a competitor.

 You can buy a different game  not the EA brand one .

Or  if prefer where I live was the same a 3 Starbuck expressos ....yes  can buy coffee from a competitor ..but not the same coffee.

Bioware make the product they can set the price  .You can accept it or reject it  buy a different game.

But the price is  not overpriced disgracefull evil or anything  its  just a price .

We are just consumers there are many things from games  to cars that many think are too expensive  and probably are .But it is  not disgracefull  , and without knowing  the production costs  sales and  profit  per unit imposible to even  claim  greedy .

All you can say is  I dont like the price   that is a valid opinion  but to  claim evil bad intent  has no logic and borders on puerile.



 

I guess that really depends on whether you regard the pursuit of profit at the expense of all else to be evil or not.

[FlamingBoy]

Midz wrote...

FlamingBoy wrote...

Midz wrote...

Basic Math is it cost the same as a take out Pizza here.

You have a choice dont buy it I did and was better value than a pizza so happy.

Simply whatever Bioware do or EA a vociferous group will claim the sky is falling unfairness evil intent etc etc ad nauseum.

The DLC was good you dont like the price fine dont buy it or wait till on sale .

But all you are doing is whining like a petulant child.

No i could buy pizza at the nearest competitor for a cheaper price, in the case of mass effect I have to buy it from bioware (aka EA) they hold the keys to this fort and quite frankly its quite disgraceful

goading me in then charging more in unknown, unpredictable costs

 No is the same  you can buy a different Pizza  not that Brands Pizza .You cant  buy that brand pizza from a competitor.

 You can buy a different game  not the EA brand one .

Or  if prefer where I live was the same a 3 Starbuck expressos ....yes  can buy coffee from a competitor ..but not the same coffee.

Bioware make the product they can set the price  .You can accept it or reject it  buy a different game.

But the price is  not overpriced disgracefull evil or anything  its  just a price .

We are just consumers there are many things from games  to cars that many think are too expensive  and probably are .But it is  not disgracefull  , and without knowing  the production costs  sales and  profit  per unit imposible to even  claim  greedy .

All you can say is  I dont like the price   that is a valid opinion  but to  claim evil bad intent  has no logic and borders on puerile.



 

not the same, its extrodinary that you think that a "brand" is the same as buying a product I want
I mean comparing starbucks to "other coffee maker" (both make coffee) and bioware to bethesda (both make video games) is a valid comparison

Comparing mass effect to pizza business has no validation because when I want pizza I can buy pizza (from other compeitors), but when i want mass effect i have to buy another video game is not mass effect.

Can you see why its not the same


Edit: also it would be nice if you used an example or a company that has a similiar reputation of "overpriced" as bioware, starbucks is not known for it

Modifié par FlamingBoy, 28 novembre 2012 - 10:18 .

[FlamingBoy]

tangalin wrote...


I guess that really depends on whether you regard the pursuit of profit at the expense of all else to be evil or not.

You have no idea how long it took to find this quote, but its a good one


There
is one rule for the industrialist and that is: Make the best quality of
goods possible at the lowest cost possible, paying the highest wages
possible.  
Henry Ford

Modifié par FlamingBoy, 28 novembre 2012 - 10:25 .

[Rosstoration]

Ninja Stan wrote...

yet no one ever accuses Colgate of "milking their customers" or Frito-Lay of "just being in it for the money." It's only the creative industries, as if creators can pay their rent with fan adoration and buy food with respect.

How can you compare paying  for toothpaste, essential to human health (fighting oral cancer, gum disease-related death) to paying for what is essentially a leisure pursuit. That's asking why you would give a kidney to your mother, but not the deranged, alcoholic drunk who sleeps on the park bench.

FlamingBoy wrote...

There
is one rule for the industrialist and that is: Make the best quality of
goods possible at the lowest cost possible, paying the highest wages 
possible.   
Henry Ford

Go watch Modern Times (1936) for the horrific utopia of Fordism.

Modifié par Rosstoration, 28 novembre 2012 - 10:42 .