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[Chashan]

Ex-Cerberus Agent wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

I don't really understand why because it was so abrupt, but I'm that bothered because she was a pretty bland and underdeveloped character anyway.

Not to mention extremely annoying. 

Thirded.

And, as was mentioned, she did rescue those poor sods who would otherwise have been between a rock and a hard place in more than one sense. Alas, the poor two Brotarians, could have been a good place to show a hyooman and one of them shooting side by side instead, at least...

[Hudathan]

LilLino wrote...

From the cutscene it's hard to figure out which way they are actually running, it seems more like they run towards afterlife than away from it. Especially that two people @ afterlife actually died.

Also, even if you are right.. Nyreen already got Adjudants full attention as they are intelligent enough to figure out she's more important a target that a bunch of guys hiding in a corner. Nyreen also knew that Shepard&Aria were close.

Honestly, it just seems like she threw her life away.....imagine if Shepard died this way...  sucide killing 6 guys s/he could easily kill in a straight-up fight.

No, they are clearly running away from scene itself after the explosion clears. Nyreen died to save the civilians being attacked, that's not up for debate. Also, nothing in the cutscene suggested that Nyreen knew when and if Shepard & Aria would arrive. They were clearly running because they were trying to catch up to her. She had a split-second decision to make and she chose to follow the theme of her character which is to take responsibility for her people.

Nyreen isn't the first character in ME3 to make the ultimate sacrifice in battle to save others, what makes her any different? Because she has a unique design and people wanted her to have main character powers?

You're also assuming that Nyreen could defeat that many Adjutants by herself, an enemy that she is clearly terrified of because of how they remind her of people she used to know.

[iOnlySignIn]

You can save her by not buying this DLC.

[Kathleen321]

I also thought it was just plain stupid. There was absolutely no reason for Nyreen to kill herself for a handful of people. She was compassionate yes, but not suicidal. I found it completely out of character for her to be like YOLO I'M DEAD LOLZ!

[Chashan]

Kathleen321 wrote...

I also thought it was just plain stupid. There was absolutely no reason for Nyreen to kill herself for a handful of people. She was compassionate yes, but not suicidal. I found it completely out of character for her to be like YOLO I'M DEAD LOLZ!

Hardly, it is established the very first time one of those Kerberos sponsored husk-constructs appears that the things freak her out in more ways than one.

Not wishing to witness some of the populace that is so dear to her fall prey to these things right in front of her is quite understandable from that vantage.

[Baanrit]

Shame - she was an awesome character. I would have liked to have had the option to take her back to the ship. Hey Garrus, I'd like you to meet someone!

[Kaelef]

BarrelDrago wrote...

f1r3storm wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

Nyreen's death felt really forced and unecessary to me.

No. She did what she always did, what was important to her and what was mentioned several times throughout the DLC: She saved civilians.

She was surrounded by many enemies and for her it was the only choice in that moment to save the civilians around her.

Just saying, unable to picture a survivalist who at the meer sight of people in distresse she suiccide herself. Kinda go agaisnt the all out war with civilian running ammok and getting shot at right and left that she help putting into place.

My thoughts exactly.  If Nyreen were so quick to kill herself to save others, she would've never made it as long as she did.

I was 90% certain she was going to get killed, but it still felt very forced when it happened.

She died for the same reason you couldn't take any of your standard companions from the rest of the game with you on the DLC: it'd require a lot more work to fit everything together.  If they left her alive, we'd want to have more interactions with her, or see her somehow involved in the game's ending, and all that would've required more effort.

[Kaelef]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

You can save her by not buying this DLC.

[LanceSolous13]

RiouHotaru wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

^ maybe because they liked the character and wanted to save her

Oh well?  If Bioware wanted to kill her, it's their right to kill her.  It's like you guys think player agency trumps the developer's story desires.

Mass Effect 3 is an RPG.

Bioware may pen the story but WE control it.

If we do not have control, It isn't a proper RPG.

[Stakrin]

But we control Commander Shepard, Nyreen felt she had to do this regardless. Somebody on gamefaqs said dataminers said there was a way, but nobody said how.

[matouya]

I get the storyline the developers put it. I am curious as to if there is a way, like a critical choice that might do it?

[Kabooooom]

Her suicide was in-character. That's really not even debatable. My only concern was how ABRUPT it was. The first time I saw it happen, I wasn't even sure what actually happened, it was so quick. I knew she blew herself up, but I wasn't sure if she evaded it or not. And I didn't notice that she enclosed the Adjutants in a biotic field with herself, I first thought she used the field to protect herself from the explosion while it took out the Adjutants outside - which was confusing.

On my second playthrough I paid more attention and it became obvious. But still, it was a good idea that was handled poorly.

[TrveOmegaSlayer]

I'm scared of pigeons, butr won't tell anyone the reason, so one day I'll be brave and blow my butt off with thousands of them
*feels totally idiot*

[Mcfly616]

Xellith wrote...

From what people have said, the DLC plays out the same regardless of what choices you pick.

well, that's simply false. (You can't save Nyreen....but depending on your choices throughout the DLC, determines how it ends )

[Baka-no-Neko]

Just finished it and...meh. Nyreen was alright, Aria was badass...but it just felt...flat.I wasn't surprised by Nyreen's death, disappointed by not unexpected. Guess that's what to expect from ME3 DLC now =(

[Omega2079]

Kaelef wrote...

BarrelDrago wrote...

f1r3storm wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

Nyreen's death felt really forced and unecessary to me.

No. She did what she always did, what was important to her and what was mentioned several times throughout the DLC: She saved civilians.

She was surrounded by many enemies and for her it was the only choice in that moment to save the civilians around her.

Just saying, unable to picture a survivalist who at the meer sight of people in distresse she suiccide herself. Kinda go agaisnt the all out war with civilian running ammok and getting shot at right and left that she help putting into place.

My thoughts exactly.  If Nyreen were so quick to kill herself to save others, she would've never made it as long as she did.

I was 90% certain she was going to get killed, but it still felt very forced when it happened.

She died for the same reason you couldn't take any of your standard companions from the rest of the game with you on the DLC: it'd require a lot more work to fit everything together.  If they left her alive, we'd want to have more interactions with her, or see her somehow involved in the game's ending, and all that would've required more effort.

That's how I see it too. That scene turned it into a real downer of a dlc.

[CptBomBom00]

I wonder who came up with the idea of killing her.

[Bill Casey]

I am perfectly fine with Nyreen's fate...
One allied character in a prominent DLC dies doing something noble...

Aria reacts the way you would expect her to...
With unbridled fury followed by bottled up butthurt...

Some reflective mourning for the character would have been nice...
Perhaps from the Talons...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 04 décembre 2012 - 03:53 .

[WhiteKnyght]

ForTuchanka wrote...

I didn't get an interupt to save her and I was wondering if there is any way to let her survive the assault.  The way she went out like a chump is second only to the Darth Maul's death in the pantheon of cool characters that died way too quickly.  I overrided the shield generators power source and wounded her in the process; does not doing that and sacrificing the civilians change the fatal outcome during the final assault on Afterlife?

Darth Maul's only cool trait was his dual sided lightsaber.

Plus he got revived in the Clone Wars 3d series.

[AnOniMouse]

Hudathan wrote...

LilLino wrote...

From the cutscene it's hard to figure out which way they are actually running, it seems more like they run towards afterlife than away from it. Especially that two people @ afterlife actually died.

Also, even if you are right.. Nyreen already got Adjudants full attention as they are intelligent enough to figure out she's more important a target that a bunch of guys hiding in a corner. Nyreen also knew that Shepard&Aria were close.

Honestly, it just seems like she threw her life away.....imagine if Shepard died this way...  sucide killing 6 guys s/he could easily kill in a straight-up fight.

No, they are clearly running away from scene itself after the explosion clears. Nyreen died to save the civilians being attacked, that's not up for debate. Also, nothing in the cutscene suggested that Nyreen knew when and if Shepard & Aria would arrive. They were clearly running because they were trying to catch up to her. She had a split-second decision to make and she chose to follow the theme of her character which is to take responsibility for her people.

Nyreen isn't the first character in ME3 to make the ultimate sacrifice in battle to save others, what makes her any different? Because she has a unique design and people wanted her to have main character powers?

You're also assuming that Nyreen could defeat that many Adjutants by herself, an enemy that she is clearly terrified of because of how they remind her of people she used to know.

They jump their barricade after Cerbs retreat and lock Afterlife, and make a last stand against it's door. 2+ get mauled by Adjustants.

I do concede her death, and it does seem in character. She is terrified of them, but Aria's 'tough love' convinces her to drag up the courage to get there attention and draw them as near to her as possible, instead of fleeing/retreating/scrabling away.
Yeah, there is no way she could have taken all 6 or 7 alone conventionally, I agree.

[aprilia1k]

I know this is old ... but I just played Omega for the first time (and I thought it was really good, personally... I'll save that for the blog). If _every_ single right-or-left turn (choice) resulted in different outcome, the resulting tree of possible circumstances would be so massive there wouldn't be room on your hard disk (and it wouldn't come out for another 10 years). There ARE limits to the degree of variance.. not saying it's perfect, far from it. I think they could've easily provided more "small talk" without that much extra labor -- it became annoying when the requisite "Commander.", or "Shepard." or "Thanks for stopping by" responses showed up so quickly (IMHO).. referring to, e.g., going to talk with Ash, Garrus, Liara between missions and the conversations were exhausted almost immediately - then defaulted to the above generic responses. OR worse,  after a harrowing or brutal mission, your L.I. (say Liara..) says "Perhaps we can talk later?" -- only to find her chatting up Garrus in the Lounge moments later.. wtf?   :-)    Just saying that it wouldn't have been that difficult to dream up "round-robin" scripts of small-talk (the way that Liara and her Father end up looping after several iterations... which was hilarious btw... ;-) instead of the non-response "Commander" or cold-shoulder... hell - Shepard's got feelings too! ;-) heh.   

Modifié par aprilia1k, 25 août 2013 - 08:02 .

[christrek1982]

Bierwichtel wrote...

would have liked to see Nyreen and Aria reunited as Queen and, well Queen of Omega... but then again, I'm a romantic at heart...

yep this but I'm fine with her death it did fit and it made sense unlike another forced death that we won't talk about.

[mupp3tz]

@aprilia1k, I think it has more to do with not having the VAs around to record additional dialogue, which they worked around by having Aria request that Shepard come alone. Though it is a bit jarring going on missions and coming back with no one any wiser of anything that happened.

[aprilia1k]

actually - that makes a lot of sense.  Yeah - esp. the top tier VAs, aren't just available at the drop of an N7 helmet... ;-)
No doubt they had to get "creative" when the ideal would have been another round of dialog recording.. but just not practical or in budget, etc..

As far as returning to the Normandy - that is too true.. ;-)   
I thought, "I've just been through a small war, with intense peril and etc..... " - did anyone notice I was gone? hah...

Modifié par aprilia1k, 27 août 2013 - 04:13 .

[PalatineOne]

It does seem that (and clearly looks that way) we do lose Nyreen here on Omega but, let us remember some of the first dialog exchanges and one of the fights Nyreen was involved in. Nyreen had stated she hid from Aria (even though she cared for her) because of Moral and Ethical/Philosophical differences. We also have Aria commenting on how Nyreens' Biotic powers have improved after Aria, Commander Sheppard and Nyreen finish a fight.

With this said; we could suppose there is a possibility, Nyreen is not ready for a reality on Omega where Aria is aware she is present (as because of the differences above, Nyreen hid herself from Aria on Omega before).

Nyreen could have staged this (in theory for the moment) to put Aria off and because Nyreen knew Aria so well that Nyreen knew that if Aria was mad she would be virtually unstoppable. In addition, Maybe Nyreen has another Biotic power up her sleeve that cloaked and protected her in that confined space. Hmmm, as did, Katsumi after the explosion in the Volus Diplomatic Office:). Yes the explosions were different in size but, we could be a bit more creative as I have been above on this outcome. It would seem to me she would be a valuable character in the next Mass effect 4. Her strategic planning capabilities and her Paragon beliefs are needed on Omega; let us hope the writers have presented us an illusion here and she will appear once more to save Aria, her people and fight the next battle.

Also, Have you noticed that "Nyreen Kandros" is not on the Memorial board out side the elevator? Could this be a sign for somthing in the future?

Modifié par PalatineOne, 15 octobre 2013 - 02:05 .