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#101
joker_jack

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Elotana wrote...

What happened to the Collector combo damage fix?


Would be nice to know if there is alot of telemetry to look over still before a fix can happen.

#102
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Omg im so happy asari huntress :D now i have to play untill i unlock her

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GroverA125 wrote...

Honestly, I won't even use the damn Asari. I've got absolutely no incentive to even consider playing before the weekend (and even then, for maybe 45 mins or so).

I swear to god, if one more Asari is added to this game (before EVERY other race gets 5 characters) then I'm done. Give us something other than blue people, because it's sure as hell getting irritating. Over 10 races to choose from, and we have 5 of one with two of another.

Seriously, if ME4 is as bad as this in terms of racial diversity, I'm packing up and finding something else to play. The idea of having so many races is that you don't have to play as a bloody blue person, or a krogan, yet some well-respected races (Drell, Salarian, etc) get nothing for over half a year after release, with no class likely to appear for these before the new year.


You do realize that each kit of a species has a new, (for the most part) completely different set of powers? An asari makes the most sense for a biotic infiltrator. I'm having a hard time believing people are this mad over what free character was released for a video game. Why would you stop playing because some extra, optional feature was added to the game?

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Any word on the numbers for the successful op?

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Asari Goddess

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Fck i just found out shes a clown of my asari adept, vanguard, and sentinel not cool bioware

#106
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wow the smallest balance changes ive seen! look forward to using her thanks bw.
imo no change is better than loads of nerfs, right? *shrugs*

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I'm fairly certain Bioware are just trolling everyone that's asking for the Drell Infiltrator.

I approve.

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Asari Goddess

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Bioware ill give u money so i can buy my asaris some new outfits sense you guys can't offerd them one :D luckely the justicar has a sugar daddy

Modifié par lmysterie, 27 novembre 2012 - 09:52 .


#109
keystpwned

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Thanks Eric, Huntress sounds good, so does OPS +6.

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Lol yet again no Drell. BW clearly listening to the community.

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I hope you guys fix the annoying rubberbanding problem when using the Turian Ghost and Turian Havok's jetpack dodge not so near cover.

(Ie, even when almost 5 meters away from the nearest cover... and using the jetpack dodge forward.. he will somehow get super sucked into any of the nearest covers, similar to the bug of Reaper Banshees getting into their insta kill melee animation from very far far away )

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Stenun wrote...

Oh so much moaning and swearing over being given free things!

How about you all exercise a little patience and appreciate that you don't always get what you want when you want it and stop moaning? You'll get your precious Drell Infiltrator and gun buffs eventually.


Yeah i 2nd that, as the Asari Infiltrator was the one class i wanted fron the start, come on people an Infiltrator with biotic powers and cloak. Thats a HUGE WOW!!! right there lol:)

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cool

#114
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I gave the huntress a whirl on silver. She will be a popular gal, that's for sure. As far as the lack of balancing is concerned, I "blame" Omega, which is available on PC as well... but 1200 bioware points? that's a lot.

BW, have you planned on some sales for the DLC? Because spending 2800 points to get all the solo dlc is a bit steep.

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GroverA125 wrote...

Honestly, I won't even use the damn Asari. I've got absolutely no incentive to even consider playing before the weekend (and even then, for maybe 45 mins or so).

I swear to god, if one more Asari is added to this game (before EVERY other race gets 5 characters) then I'm done. Give us something other than blue people, because it's sure as hell getting irritating. Over 10 races to choose from, and we have 5 of one with two of another.

Seriously, if ME4 is as bad as this in terms of racial diversity, I'm packing up and finding something else to play. The idea of having so many races is that you don't have to play as a bloody blue person, or a krogan, yet some well-respected races (Drell, Salarian, etc) get nothing for over half a year after release, with no class likely to appear for these before the new year.



Go play VIVA Pinata then ya freak =]:D

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wow just wow.

#117
BouncyFrag

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so. many. tears.
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#118
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Asari Huntress YYEEEEESSS!!!

#119
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oh well looks like an evening of tv. Im so disapointed.

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Good grief, the Huntress is MADE OF WIN and is COMPLETELY AWESOME! I love her.  :wub:

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Yay! Free new character!

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Atheosis wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

Eric Fagnan wrote...

Elotana wrote...

What happened to the Collector combo damage fix?


We were planning on releasing that this week but we've run into some technical issues with that change that may delay it for some time :(


Why the Asari Infiltrator?  Seriously - why?  What was this decision based on?


Why not?


We already had 4 Asari, another was not needed.
No new Drell since release, either - there are more Volus than Drell for cripes sake!

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WildHog70 wrote...

GroverA125 wrote...

Honestly, I won't even use the damn Asari. I've got absolutely no incentive to even consider playing before the weekend (and even then, for maybe 45 mins or so).

I swear to god, if one more Asari is added to this game (before EVERY other race gets 5 characters) then I'm done. Give us something other than blue people, because it's sure as hell getting irritating. Over 10 races to choose from, and we have 5 of one with two of another.

Seriously, if ME4 is as bad as this in terms of racial diversity, I'm packing up and finding something else to play. The idea of having so many races is that you don't have to play as a bloody blue person, or a krogan, yet some well-respected races (Drell, Salarian, etc) get nothing for over half a year after release, with no class likely to appear for these before the new year.


You do realize that each kit of a species has a new, (for the most part) completely different set of powers? An asari makes the most sense for a biotic infiltrator. I'm having a hard time believing people are this mad over what free character was released for a video game. Why would you stop playing because some extra, optional feature was added to the game?

Because it makes me realize that the game is as one sided as a see-saw with a dwarf against a behemoth. Anyone who likes the Asari, Drell, (splitting via gender accordingly) Quarian and many other classes are **** outta luck because they'd much rather have 5 different Asari, who act very similar with slight variation between them.

Let's compare the Asari classes to the others. For example, we look at the Drell Infiltrator, he has a set of three powers which have never been seen in such a combination together. It'll be the first time we see the recon mine outside of a volus class, and compared to a biotic drell, he fills a completely different role on the field, utilizing different equipment and different combat styles. A Turian Engineer has use of turrets and other powers that makes him unlike any other Turian we have. You can't use him like you can a Havoc or a Ghost, because he doesn't have the powers for it.

In the end, this allows people to use the same "skin" while performing completely different roles on the field. The Asari and Krogans just don't have this. All krogan kits focus intently on use of melee, all having a DR-giving power to get into CQB and charge everything to death (with one having a power which makes him the best melee character in the game). The Asari all focus primarily on utilizing short cooldowns to set up powers. The Huntress holds some slight variation in that it'll be running cloak, but still focuses on using powers to set up detonations. Not only do they share the same outfit, they all share the same ideals in combat. That's bad class diversity.

The idea of having different classes is that they effectively force you to play a completely different tactic, not between just other variants of the same class, but of the same race too. Sure, there should be some primary underlying factors (a Turian should have some weapon bonuses, as they are the weaponsmasters of the game) but the general feel of the class, as well as what you should be doing with them, is meant to be different. Otherwise, all you've really done is swap one or two abilities for heavily similar ones.

THAT is why the Turian classes being added aren't so bad, they all have completely different ideals, and with them, different tactics for effective use. The Asari and Krogan classes don't have this. Each different race is just a copied skin with one or two different powers, which fundamentally function in a similar fashion.

So, instead of giving us the same classes that we commonly see (blue-skinned casters and dinosaur-looking melee characters), focus should be made on giving us classes that AREN'T used regularly. We shouldn't have seven Asari and only three Vorcha, and even with a balanced number, these classes should work differently to one another. classes are put into place to give us variation between characters, whether the same race or the same major type, and currently a bunch of repeating classes don't have this, it almost feels wrong to call them different classes. The Turian Soldier and the Turian Havoc are the true definition of different classes, both having a seperate set of abilities with a seperate set of good tactics to succeed. The Asari Adept and the Asari Sentinel are a shambolic production, both functioning virtually identical: Hitting one power and then the next in the same fashion. Same result, just different biotic projectile.

Releasing an Asari and a Krogan in the first DLC was fine, but now they've just added more and left the other races no chance at catching up. You would have to have another retaliation-size DLC just to get everyone up to the same level, while probably still missing off a class or two. Everyone has a favourite race, and one they despise, and going race-heavy to one side really puts down the people who aren't on the gift-end of this plan. A person who likes Salarians but hates Asari and Krogans is gonna be pretty annoyed that he's been forgotten, isn't he?

Modifié par GroverA125, 27 novembre 2012 - 10:21 .


#124
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Mookiemook85 wrote...

why are there only two salarians in this game even though they are a council race? 4 volus.......


Preach it! :crying:

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Oh the lovely tears! 10/10 troll post BioWare. Would read again.