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[Cody]

BarrelDrago wrote...

well as we can clearly see in this part http://youtu.be/CNu4fleEfnc?t=12m20s where we see how the civilian are held they could clearly be extract by other mean than cutting power to the field, as aria and Nyreen show there is a lot of way to get arrownd the station. Also you can indeed  blame Aria as she and Nyreen both knew what a mass release of civilian wich they obviusely knew what was about to happen to them. And by the way yes i did play the dlc.

Now you are contradicting yourself, you said earlyer that she had to take them out being one of the few that could do so therefor giving her sacrifice a reason. Now you state the opposite. Either way having 2 specialiste would be alway better then just having 1 again not kowing how many of those thing who were left.

sorry i thought you would have seen the paralelisme in your last statement as follow : "But in the end they chose to fight. Aria did not force them. And killing Aria is foolish since you would lose a Matriarch and her forces. " to "And killing the reaper is foolish since you would lose a army of sentiment machine and Ther forces."  It was indeed subtile but still am surprise you miss it.

The civilian were force to fight i indeed saw the krogan charging blindly at the engenier as they and a batarian civilian backed away in fear of the incoming charge, now let me ask you a question. When a prison break happen what happen to people staying on the side line? Now let look at the usuall Ceberus commander what would be the logical action to do in such situation. This is not a speculation, this is standart military procedure.

One small group is not an example of all the civilians on Omega. And yes they did know what would happen. It was still needed for the Talons and Aria's forces in order for them to lead a successful attack. Again this has been stated multiple times in the game and on here. You continuing on bringing it up will not suddenly make it untrue because it was stated, in game, as a neccessity. Bringing it up again and again just makes it look like you are not reading replies and that you ignore what is stated on the dlc.

No I am not. You are just failing to read properly. I said she took them out in the way she did in order to protect the civilians while making sure no one else gets caught in the radius. While having a barrier around her and the adjudants would increase the effectiveness of the blast due to being in a closed off space via biotic barrier. That is what I said. And she has not fought them that much. Aria has and would know everything Nyreen knows about them and more. Except she does not fear them.

Mainly because you failed to insert it properly. And it was still a ridiculous statement since there is a difference between the fight that would rely on Aria and her forces, and killing the reapers which can be done in 2 different ways or by controlling them. With Aria you need to have since she is already on your side and has an army backing her up while the reapers are your enemy and you can choose to kill them or control them.

No it isn't. It is common sense to attack the ones that are coming after you and not shoot at the ones retreating and hiding. THAT is standard military procedure. If the enemy is in full retreat and is hiding from you/surrenduring then they are not a threat. The ones trying to kill you are.

Modifié par CodyMelch, 30 novembre 2012 - 05:31 .

[BoneCarlos Lee]

If Shepard took Garrus and EDI with him, (for the understanding of Omega and Cerberus) Nyreen could be saved.

Even Aria only wanted "the Best for the ground combat" , Garrus is completely more than qualified.

I don't know, the death of Nyreen was totally unnecessary to me.

[N7puscN7]

I expected her to put up a barrier around her and the civvies, and eventually wait for backup, the Talons, Shep and Aria were like 100metres away from her.

[LilyasAvalon]

I didn't mind so much that she died more than it was never mentioned afterwards. Seriously, Aria was ****ing pissed about it, you'd think it'd been brought up at least once.

[HydroFlame20]

FlyinElk212 wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

It's a biotic power. She couldn't hold it forever.

I think a lot of people misinterpretted that scene. It looks as though she TRAPPED the adjutants in her Biotic Protector bubble, so that only her and the adjutants would be affected by the bombs. She did it to protect the civilians, which ties back to her entire arc in this DLC of "saving innocents".

I dunno, I thought her death was handled alright. Even better to see Aria get reaaallly angry afterward, truly showing affection for someone other than herself for once.

I agree and I also liked how Aria went super nova on everything lol it was great .

[PanzerGr3nadier]

HydroFlame20 wrote...

FlyinElk212 wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

It's a biotic power. She couldn't hold it forever.

I think a lot of people misinterpretted that scene. It looks as though she TRAPPED the adjutants in her Biotic Protector bubble, so that only her and the adjutants would be affected by the bombs. She did it to protect the civilians, which ties back to her entire arc in this DLC of "saving innocents".

I dunno, I thought her death was handled alright. Even better to see Aria get reaaallly angry afterward, truly showing affection for someone other than herself for once.

I agree and I also liked how Aria went super nova on everything lol it was great .

I on the other disagree, Her death was handeled extremely poorly. Given the fact that she was ex-military turian cabal, I find it ridiculous that she throws her life away just like that. One the thing that I don't understand is why her fate was railroaded, there are numerous solutions (other than death) I could think of right now. She could've been wounded or knocked out or something and afterwards stayed in the Omega to lead the Talons. But no, the devs wanted her dead so that we could not ever heard her again.

[PanzerGr3nadier]

This is propably old stuff but here it goes...

I found these;

<id>728810</id>
<data>Shepard and Aria finally emerge at the entrance to Afterlife where a crowd of stunned
civilians recover from the Aftermath of Nyreen's courageous sacrifice for them. The area
where the barrier contained the explosion is charred and smoking with Nyreen's body and the
Adjutant corpses laying within.</data>

At the dlc we got nothing but a little stain in a floor.... No body no death? (Comic book law) Just a guess.

<id>729125</id>
<data>As Shepard and Aria step onto the balcony Nyreen radios in. The talon forces
are becoming overwhelmed and things are looking grim. Shepard can choose to suggest that
Aria warn Nyreen to get out of there, but regardless of the choice an explosion occurs in the
building nearby. Aria (and the music) become silent and after a moment she indicates that
they need to keep moving toward afterlife.</data>

"Choices do matter in Mass Effect games" - Yup.......

<id>731657</id>
<data>- Temp Cine Anim -
As Shepard activates the elevator to the markets outside Afterlife Aria contacts Nyreen to let her know that they are almost there. The camera cuts to
Nyreen who is now outside Afterlife. Nyreen and a small group of her Talons are currently holding off Cerberus forces outside of the main Afterlife entrance and attmepting to cover a crowd of civilians and usher them toward the Talon Blockade where they will be safe.
Nyreen thinks they are winning since the Cerberus forces are retreating into Afterlife when she notices Adjutants advancing on the civilians from the taxi stand area. Thinking of nothing but the safety of the civilians Nyreen fires at the Adjutants drawing their attention. As the Adjutants converge on her she erects a barrier around herself and the Adjutants and prepares a grenade. The camera cuts back to Shepard and Aria who have been listening the entire time as Nyreen says her goodbyes before an explosion rocks the elevator seconds before it opens to the markets.</data>

Dunno if this would have been better than we got....

<id>782866</id>
<position>3491</position>
<data>From: Bray
Subject: Omega
Things are settling down on Omega. Looks like the Talons are the new security force on the station. Their leader said something about honoring Kandros's memory. I'd say they were being cute, except they're not shy about backing up the sentiment with firepower. Be careful out there. Know there's at least one batarian here that doesn't want you dead.
Bray</data>

<id>782864</id>
<data>From: Aria T'Loak
Subject: A memento
Sent you a little souvenir of our adventures on Omega, Shepard. Fittingly enough, the king sustained a crack. Aria</data>

Bioware uses email messages to inform the players that they have compeleted the dlc, How cute....Someone needs to confirm this one since I can't.

+Have some candy people;

<id>769184</id>
<data>It wounds my very soul that you insist upon ignoring such an illustrious figure as Patriarch. Truly, it does.</data>
<id>769188</id>
<data>I find your lack of respect for the exalted Patriarch very disturbing.</data>
<id>769197</id>
<data>So who's this Patriarch person you keep going on about?</data>
<id>769198</id>
<data>What? You've never heard of mighty Patriarch?</data>
<id>769199</id>
<data>The legend of his rule echoes across Citadel space and beyond! How could you possibly not know?</data>
<id>769200</id>
<data>I don't know. Maybe because he's not ruling now?</data>
<id>769201</id>
<data>That is a meaningless detail! Patriarch's story transcends time!</data>

So what do you think about all this?

E: Fixed some quotes

Modifié par PanzerGr3nadier, 11 décembre 2012 - 04:52 .

[PanzerGr3nadier]

[Nope]

Modifié par PanzerGr3nadier, 11 décembre 2012 - 05:01 .

[PanzerGr3nadier]

Arcian wrote...

That it is insulting as hell. But the BioWare Defense Force will naturally deny that and chuck around "10/10" and "Would play again" ad nauseam.

Yup, I stil can't believe that a single plot twist can destroy the whole dlc.

Disappointment after disappointmen... when will this end?

[AlexValle]

Cecilia L wrote...

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

My Nyreen

Such a cool and beautiful character just unavoidably killed off like that. Shame, Bioware, shame!!

I,m desapointed too !!!

[xsdob]

Corprol xsdob of the bioware defense force. I found nyreens death a good one and it made snese to me. I find the patriarch data a bit weird though, dont remember it in my.playthrough.

Ah well, 8/10, could have been better but I enjoyed it immensly none the less.

[ShadyKat]

Just finished Omega, and I loved Nyreen. Thought she was one of the better characters written, in the entire trilogy. Pity she died, but like many have said, you kind of saw it coming. Wish she was a permanent squad mate, because my Shep shares many of her views.

[munnellyladt]

Yes I know,btw since when did gaurdians start having belts of grenades?
Thats like a cannibal using a phaeston.It makes no sense!!!

Modifié par munnellyladt, 11 décembre 2012 - 09:12 .

[PanzerGr3nadier]

munnellyladt wrote...Yes I know,btw since when did gaurdians start having belts of grenades?Thats like a cannibal using a phaeston.It makes no sense!!!

Its funny how the dlc was okay till the very end.... (See what BW did to ME3 ending).

[TK514]

If by 'her fate' you had meant 'being a completely forgettable throwaway character that you spend a cumulative half an hour with (if that) before her inevitable meaningless exit from the game', then yes, I would agree. Unforgivable. She should have been a viable alternative to Aria, in every way, with just as much if not more time for interaction. In fact, once you meet her, I'd suggest the amount of time you spend with her and Aria should have been switched, or at least that option should have been available. It's not like they made a point of telling us that Aria showed her all the secret ins and outs of Omega...oh, wait, they did exactly that. There could have been a split later on that had you choose to follow Aria, or choose to follow Nyreen. Maybe then, they'd have spent enough time developing the character that I actually cared about her by the end of the DLC.

As it is, she's just another failure by BioWare's writers.

[Maniccc]

FlyinElk212 wrote...

I think a lot of people misinterpretted that scene. It looks as though she TRAPPED the adjutants in her Biotic Protector bubble, so that only her and the adjutants would be affected by the bombs. She did it to protect the civilians, which ties back to her entire arc in this DLC of "saving innocents".

I dunno, I thought her death was handled alright. Even better to see Aria get reaaallly angry afterward, truly showing affection for someone other than herself for once.

This man is correct.  It would have been nice for Aria to say something about it at the end...not a lot, but something small. 

But I loved the way Aria snapped and went on a rampage.  PLUS, Aria has some awesome lines and kicks serious ass.  "I'm back, f******!"

[djspectre]

Arcian wrote...

Her blowing herself up was bad enough when there was no indication she needed to. Her unique power MAKES HER IMMUNE TO DAMAGE.

But to add insult to injury... she's not even mentioned in the end. Not even once. It's like Aria forgot she even existed.

Typical goddamn Super MAC writing. My jimmies have never been this rustled.

I would have been fine with her choice to kill herself if your dialogue choices had been the guiding force to that. Or if she intended you to kill Aria and rule Omega in her place. 

For Example:
Paragon choices in arguments (side with Nyreen) should yeild either a romance option or some bonding moment with Nyreen, Nyreen lives, but only based on a Paragon Interrupt that you have to make. Otherwise she dies but not by throwing herself on a grenade.

Mixed Paragon/Renegade choices in arguments causes a 'trust' option, Nyreen kills herself as she did in the DLC and you get the option to kill Aria or not.

Full Renegade choices, Nyreen rebuffs you, refuses to kill herself because she feels she needs to counter Aria's 'influence' and protect innocents, you also get the option to kill Aria. 


This would have made more sense for her if she decided to kill herself and othe rmore logical outcomes. 

[jkflipflopDAO]

I miss the old Bioware D:

[vX-INSANIAC-Xv]

The only female Turian in existence has died, and so shall the rest of the Turian people. To be honest they shouldn't have gone out of the way to make the only female Turian in 3 games if she was going to last all of about an hour or so before being quite pointlessly killed off.

[LinksOcarina]

jkflipflopDAO wrote...

I miss the old Bioware D:

They didn't go anywhere...they just grew up. 

[The Spamming Troll]

id bet nyreens death was the first thing bioware planned with the omega DLC.

they thought:
we need them to feel emotion here. lets kill someone!!!

good thing im smart and i dont buy things that i can only assume are going to be dumb.

[BHRamsay]

Actually I'd have liked an alignment specific interrupt, Paragons can save her Renegade can't makes a kind of reward for those who won't be getting their Aria-kiss

[slimshedim]

Ithurael wrote...

New characters arrive only to die.

I would hate to see how you react to the walking dead. They bring in new people only to kill them off in 10 mins in most episodes.

It depends. If you're referring to The Walking Dead comics, then the writing is extremely good. The video game from Telltale however is quite a good example for lazy writing and excessive railroading. Not as bad as in Mass Effect 3, where the story gets downright idiotic, but quite close in terms of lameness. One thing I truly hate is the fact that some people's deaths feel so "forced" and "cheap". You don't get that feeling in the comics.

But hey, The Walking Dead has a plausible ending at least. No plotholes, no arsepulls, no BS.