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[Archonsg]

The more I read about Omega, the more I see that it is at the very least true to ME3's theme. *Don't play as a Paragon, you'd just be disappointed *

Seriously, Vanilla ME3, with Leviathan, with Omega, it's just doesn't reward the player for trying to Role play as a paragon.

Since I heard of Omega and first saw Aria at the Citadel, I imagined how you could;

True Paragon solution : reform Aria, save Omega's populace

Paragade Solution : Replace Aria, save Omega's populace

Neutral solution : Aria unchanged, Omega populace reduced due to collateral damage

Renegon solution : Aria unchanged, Omega populace almost wiped out from "friendly fire"

Renegade Solution : Kill / Betray Aria, take over as new Ruler, King/Queen, CEO of Omega. Anyone not falling in line takes a long walk out of an airlock.

And / or shades of in-betweens depending on Omega's story and choices offered.

Lastly, Nyreen's death this time from accounts and description (haven't seen the youtube posts, at least not all yet) is indeed a sacrifice.
Just no more different, nor any less contrived as Shepard's end game choices.

Death is not as effective as an emotional driver when the whole game you see friends and people dying.
In ME3, it is overused and just make things depressing.

Guess, sticking to *not* buying DLCs, till finding out more is the right thing to do afterall.

Modifié par Archonsg, 28 novembre 2012 - 10:48 .

[Zan51]

I actually believe Aria's softening, especially at the end, and vowing to secure Omega and the people was due to Nyreen's influence and death, not totally due to Shep's influence.

[majormajormmajor]

Zan51 wrote...

I actually believe Aria's softening, especially at the end, and vowing to secure Omega and the people was due to Nyreen's influence and death, not totally due to Shep's influence.

And that we will never know, since there's fark-all acknowledgement of said death at the end.

[Vlk3]

So now, maybe more people will understand that Thane's death was completely wrong. No acknowledgement of character's death + unavoidable death = bad writing. Again...

[Raen86]

I agree with blaming the bad writing.
I mean, Aria saying at the end that everyone (including her implicitely) will have to take time to mourne the lost was a sort of aknowledgement of Nyreen's death. In the end, coming from Aria, something like that is equal to a love declaration. Still that doesn't change the fact that, again, they've been terribly sloppy with the ending of the DLC as with the ending of the main game. Is it so hard to understand that not giving a worth closure ruins the whole journey in a story? I mean, it's the basic of writing for Goddess sake!
Also, Nyreen's death in itself was totally unnecessary, at least for how it happened. She sacrifying herself for the civilian is totally in character, but blowing herself in a bubble was utterly random. She could have blown everything up in thousands of other ways, overall considering she was a smart turian. Not to mention that such an extreme gesture was exagerated for the current situation.
Nah, didn't like it at all. (Still, mad Aria was awesome)

[Alxea_Eve]

What I think is after seeing nothing left of her after the explosion. The thought of her faking her death for some reason came to mind.

[Raen86]

Alxea_Eve wrote...

What I think is after seeing nothing left of her after the explosion. The thought of her faking her death for some reason came to mind.

I admit I was kinda hoping for that. And a Disney-like ending with Aria and Nyreem holding hands and jumping happily ever after through the streets of Omega. Bioware failed me once more ç__ç

[aurlena]

I can understand why they did it, and why she sacrificed herself for it..but still deosn't make it fun to play when you introduce a new character/squad mate only to have her die in the end. It makes it utterly pointless to play. you literally get nothing out of this DLC, no weapons, armors or squad mates...don't forget this didn't feel it was needed with the all out war int he background

[Dilandau3000]

majormajormmajor wrote...

Zan51 wrote...

I actually believe Aria's softening, especially at the end, and vowing to secure Omega and the people was due to Nyreen's influence and death, not totally due to Shep's influence.

And that we will never know, since there's fark-all acknowledgement of said death at the end.

When Aria is choking Petrovsky in the paragon ending, she says "I'm letting you live--for my partner and for the war against your master. You'd better cooperate."

Now, Aria does refer to Shepard as her "partner" in the venture to retake Omega several times, but I interpreted that line as having a double meaning: she's letting him live to honour the memory of Nyreen, who was clearly her partner (lover) some time in the past. She's letting him live because it's the right thing to do, what Nyreen would've done.

What irks me about her death is how unnecessary it was. She rushes in and fires at the Adjutants to lure them away from the civilians, fine (there ARE civilians left, you can see them running along the bottom of the screen just after the explosion). But why the sacrifice, especially since she knew Shepard and Aria were coming? All she needed to do was stall for two seconds. The main problem is that the Adjutants were a joke. For all the hype about how terrible they were, they were pathetically easy to defeat in combat (I played hardcore difficulty). They didn't justify that kind of sacrifice. Now if she was facing down six Gold difficulty possessed Scions, then there's be a reason why blowing them up in the bubble is the only way to save the civilians.

Bottom line, the sacrifice was for too small a reason. If you want to have an unavoidable sacrifice, at least make it feel she saved all of Omega from becoming overrun with Adjutants or something, rather than just save a handful of civilians who happened to be there, who probably would've been saved anyway if she'd waited for Shepard.

[Lucky Thirteen]

I was actually happy for once to see a death. Not because I hated her character, I loved her character. I loved the fact this character isn't centered on romance or family, her focus is saving people she doesn't know and a romantic relationship is in the past, it's over with. Though I wish the romantic history was completely non-existent and it's inclusion is what lead me to be pretty certain she was going to die.

Essentially the same thing goes for Aria as a strong, female character that is busy with things other than romance and family, but to an extent that it falls apart in the end. I love Nyreen for being a paragon contrast to Aria.

I was happy that Nyreen didn't have a cheap death that was due to Shepard failing somewhere, like so many of the female characters in the game. Many of the female characters of ME3 need a hero to save and protect them, Nyreen does not. She could take care of herself and did not rely on Shepard for everything. Nyreen did something heroic and she protected people.

My only beef is that it seems that her death was the only reason she was introduced and created. Her death scene had the classic shock value Bioware likes to have. I find it forgivable in comparison to Leviathan which was just a huge series of over dramatic, shock value situations. The overall story though feels like it's missing something and Nyreen becomes an unfortunate plot tool to have drama and see Aria get really angry and stupid to fall for such an obvious trap that Shepard has to rescue her from.

*sigh*

[pseudonymic]

considering how 90% of the banter between nyreen and aria was about how "once upon a time they had something", aria's little anger fit didn't do it justice. an avenging statement would've made sense there.

[M920CAIN]

Arcian wrote...

Her blowing herself up was bad enough when there was no indication she needed to. Her unique power MAKES HER IMMUNE TO DAMAGE.

But to add insult to injury... she's not even mentioned in the end. Not even once. It's like Aria forgot she even existed.

Typical goddamn Super MAC writing. My jimmies have never been this rustled.

How about all the other "people" that died on Omega, civilians, mercs, cerberus, who's going to mourn them?

But yeah, it was a bit bland.

[Karrie788]

Lucky Thirteen wrote...

I was actually happy for once to see a death. Not because I hated her character, I loved her character. I loved the fact this character isn't centered on romance or family, her focus is saving people she doesn't know and a romantic relationship is in the past, it's over with. Though I wish the romantic history was completely non-existent and it's inclusion is what lead me to be pretty certain she was going to die.

Essentially the same thing goes for Aria as a strong, female character that is busy with things other than romance and family, but to an extent that it falls apart in the end. I love Nyreen for being a paragon contrast to Aria.

I was happy that Nyreen didn't have a cheap death that was due to Shepard failing somewhere, like so many of the female characters in the game. Many of the female characters of ME3 need a hero to save and protect them, Nyreen does not. She could take care of herself and did not rely on Shepard for everything. Nyreen did something heroic and she protected people.

My only beef is that it seems that her death was the only reason she was introduced and created. Her death scene had the classic shock value Bioware likes to have. I find it forgivable in comparison to Leviathan which was just a huge series of over dramatic, shock value situations. The overall story though feels like it's missing something and Nyreen becomes an unfortunate plot tool to have drama and see Aria get really angry and stupid to fall for such an obvious trap that Shepard has to rescue her from.

*sigh*

I agree. I would have wished though to have either her or Aria die at the end, depending on your actions during the DLC.

That, or at least a little more aknowledgement of her death.

Modifié par Karrie788, 28 novembre 2012 - 03:20 .

[Legbiter]

Vlk3 wrote...

So now, maybe more people will understand that Thane's death was completely wrong. No acknowledgement of character's death + unavoidable death = bad writing. Again...

No, not really.  Still dead on the inside.

Maybe Aria can scrape together enough chunks of flesh from Nyreen's corpse to make a new upholstery for her couch.

[What a Succulent Ass]

...Every now and again I visit this fandom to see if people are still being rustled.

BSN is still BSN, I see.

[Brovikk Rasputin]

The sad thing about war is that people die. If you can't handle that, you should probably consider playing a different game.

[Noxis6]

Pesonally I was suprised at first that Nyreen got thrown under the bus,but I wasnt terribly upset about it though,I mean lets be honest if she had lived,she would have vanished into a black hole anyway pretty much almost everything else from this dlc

[Raikas]

Chi_Mangetsu wrote...

The way I see it, her death was inevitable. For one, well, it was pretty much telegraphed with the discussion in the elevator with Aria. 

^ This.  It was pretty clear that that's where they were going with her.  

That said, I think the death could have worked better (as in, been more moving to the player or had more effect on Aria other than her just being a little more angry and able to be captured) if we'd had a little extra dialogue with Nyreen earlier (or if she'd been a squadmate for a little longer) and/or if Aria had mentioned her again at the end.   As it was it felt a little out of place and unnecessary where it could have been a much more powerful moment.

[IVicViperI]

Well, we dunno !

Perhaps she used a teleporter device before the grenades explode ! After all, we don't see any of her remains.

That's right ! By the power of Space Magic, she survived ! BUT, in order to see her one more time, you'll have to pay the following DLC !

...

Goddamn you BioWare. I don't even know if such things like a teleporter device do exist in Mass Effect. Probably not.

Modifié par Garry8624, 28 novembre 2012 - 03:47 .

[The Night Mammoth]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

The sad thing about war is that people die. If you can't handle that, you should probably consider playing a different game.

The comparison here between conflict in a video game, and actual war, is so off, I have no words. 

[Morty Smith]

I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of possible shippers suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced. But I fear no one gave a fhug.

[Fedi.St]

If you are gonna kill a character do it . But for good reason. not for the sake of it.

[Klijpope]

FlyinElk212 wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

It's a biotic power. She couldn't hold it forever.

I think a lot of people misinterpretted that scene. It looks as though she TRAPPED the adjutants in her Biotic Protector bubble, so that only her and the adjutants would be affected by the bombs. She did it to protect the civilians, which ties back to her entire arc in this DLC of "saving innocents".

I dunno, I thought her death was handled alright. Even better to see Aria get reaaallly angry afterward, truly showing affection for someone other than herself for once.

This one, because zey pay attention....

[spirosz]

Let em' burn.

[KyreneZA]

So after Omega, there's again no female Turians...