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[DJEyeBee]

So I guess the Turians are a doomed race now, seeing as how Bioware killed off the only female in the entire galaxy...

Modifié par DJEyeBee, 29 novembre 2012 - 02:35 .

[PrimeOfValor]

Nyreen does die in a hero's death, but it does seem a tad mean spirited to kill the only female turian out of the whole trilogy.

[Cody]

She was not the only one shown. There was a female soldier shown in the ME comics and Garrus talked about having a fling with another.

[DJEyeBee]

She was the only one shown in the game. And I'm well aware of everything Garrus says.

My statement was sarcasm, I'm not so sure the one following it was.

[LilLino]

B.Shep wrote...

Master Shiori wrote...

Civilians weren't all dead. There's a bunch of them standing to Shep's right after Aria charges into Afterlife. You can even go and listen to them talk about Nyreen's sacrifice.

Hell, you can even see them running past Shepard and Aria in the cinematic once they're near the spot where Nyreen detonated those bombs.

Pretty much this. Its amazing how some people love to complain so much they even "forget" these details.<_<

Nyreen dead was sad but fitting with everything she believed.

Oh come on, these Adjudant didn't even give a damn about the civillians anymore, with Shepard&Aria around the corner she could have easily get their attention and together we'd blast them. You know, kinda smart way, less suicidal?
 
If they killed off a squadmate by making him suicide kill 6 guys I could handle in span of 30 seconds I'd never forgive. Since Nyreen is relatively new character it's not THAT bad, but still kind of sad.

It's silly that in cutscenes characters in the game suddenly lose abilties, skills, powers, or any intelligence for that matter. I thought they'd learn that after Kai Leng complaints.

[Femlob]

LilLino wrote...

I thought they'd learn that after Kai Leng complaints.

This assuming they're even capable of learning, for which I have yet to see the first shred of proof.

[LilLino]

Femlob wrote...

LilLino wrote...

I thought they'd learn that after Kai Leng complaints.

This assuming they're even capable of learning, for which I have yet to see the first shred of proof.

Shred of proof? 
1st. Petrovsky isn't cliche
2nd. Instead of male in a bukka we get a fully new model for female turian.
3rd. Paragon/Renegade doesn't feel like good/evil anymore, but idealistic/ruthelss as it should
4th. There's a class interrupt in the DLC.

They are capable of learning, but they still have to stop these overdramatized stupid cutscene deaths. I'd even prefer if Nyreen died in the generator(reactor?) scene if you wanted to distribute power to free civillians over this.

Modifié par LilLino, 29 novembre 2012 - 05:17 .

[Bayonet Hipshot]

This confirms my suspicion

Bioware has a death fetish... Or at least the Mass Effect team does...

[Deadpool9]

LilLino wrote...

Shred of proof? 
1st. Petrovsky isn't cliche

A Russian named "Oleg" who possesses superior intelligence and plays chess and reads War and Peace isn't cliche since when?  The only thing missing is the thick Russian accent.

Modifié par Deadpool9, 29 novembre 2012 - 05:34 .

[Jononarf]

My first reaction was cool, a female turian...then I stopped caring. I was more there for Aira, ie Carrie-Ann Moss dialogue.

[SomeKindaEnigma]

LilLino wrote...

Femlob wrote...

LilLino wrote...

I thought they'd learn that after Kai Leng complaints.

This assuming they're even capable of learning, for which I have yet to see the first shred of proof.

Shred of proof? 
1st. Petrovsky isn't cliche
2nd. Instead of male in a bukka we get a fully new model for female turian.
3rd. Paragon/Renegade doesn't feel like good/evil anymore, but idealistic/ruthelss as it should
4th. There's a class interrupt in the DLC.

They are capable of learning, but they still have to stop these overdramatized stupid cutscene deaths. I'd even prefer if Nyreen died in the generator(reactor?) scene if you wanted to distribute power to free civillians over this.

class interrupt?

[TNT1991]

My thoughts on Nyreen's death:



Here's hoping she's not the last female Turian in the future... 

[LilLino]

SomeKindaEnigma wrote...

class interrupt?

Yes,  there was whole thread dedicated to that. Apparently if you are engineer you get paragon interrupt during the reactor scene. You can relocate power fast withouth sacrificing civilians.

Deadpool9 wrote...

A Russian named "Oleg" who possesses superior intelligence and plays chess and reads War and Peace isn't cliche since when?  The only thing missing is the thick Russian accent.

Cliche may be wrong word, but honestly, compare him to all the other antagonists we get. They are all crazys & indoctrinated. Petrovsky breaks that annoying trend.  That's a good change, makes universe more realistic, less cliche. (enemy = evil&crazy)
Also, as you pointed out, no russian accent, for which I was glad too.

[Cadence of the Planes]

 Nyreen was a cool character. I got over her death pretty quickly though (unlike some people here.. >.<). It didn't impact me nearly as much as Ashley/Kaiden's death in ME1 or Mordin's death in ME3. 

I thought the circumstances involving her death mostly made sense.

Modifié par Cadence of the Planes, 29 novembre 2012 - 12:49 .

[Anksara]

I was hoping she'd stick around to nag Aria when she stepped out of line. Or better yet, make her a potential choice to take over Omega lol. But yea, I agree that her death felt a little pointless. Especially since she helped Shepard and Aria annihilate a bunch of those things in the mines... just run towards Shepard... don't blow yourself up...

[privytoecho]

DJEyeBee wrote...

So I guess the Turians are a doomed race now, seeing as how Bioware killed off the only female in the entire galaxy...

That was exactly what I thought the second she died.

[Yalision]

Ithurael wrote...

New characters arrive only to die.

I would hate to see how you react to the walking dead. They bring in new people only to kill them off in 10 mins in most episodes.

The problem wasn't that she died, but that it made no sense.

[count_4]

Arcian wrote...
Her blowing herself up was bad enough when there was no indication she needed to. Her unique power MAKES HER IMMUNE TO DAMAGE.

But to add insult to injury... she's not even mentioned in the end. Not even once. It's like Aria forgot she even existed.

@First part: Not the fault of the writer if you fail to see what is happening on the screen. She used her power to shield those around her instead of saving herself. 

@Second part: She doesn't mention Nyreen specifically but she does say that she will honor the fallen (iirc). Which means Nyreen. Also, you don't always need characters to spell out their feelings to let the player know what they feel. It was nice to see the writers not catering to the stupid for once. You could clearly tell what Aria felt if you paid any attention.

So while Walters is still a terrible writer, you better unrustle them jimmies. 

Modifié par count_4, 29 novembre 2012 - 11:20 .

[LilLino]

Cadence of the Planes wrote...

 Nyreen was a cool character. I got over her death pretty quickly though (unlike some people here.. >.<). It didn't impact me nearly as much as Ashley/Kaiden's death in ME1 or Mordin's death in ME3. 

I thought the circumstances involving her death made mostly made sense.

Get over it? well it's been a day since I completed DLC...and it's the only thing that truly bugs me, that's all.

Don't get me wrong, I was impacted by Mordin's death too, but it was just done right. It was obvious he had to sacrifice himself as there's no way he'd get Genophage cure running and have time to take elevator down.

Also, Mordin was an old dying man seeking redemption, but nevertheless under some circumstances you could save him.

Here it's not a case, instead of throwing a bunch of grenades @ the Adjudants Nyreen sets all of them at once and stays there to die with them. The worst thing is, Adjudants are pretty slow....
It's a silly death that just screams "WTF?" same about Thessia defeat for instance.

[Cody]

DJEyeBee wrote...

She was the only one shown in the game. And I'm well aware of everything Garrus says.

My statement was sarcasm, I'm not so sure the one following it was.

I know yours was. I was replying to the post after yours, otherwise I would have quoted you.

[Cody]

LilLino wrote...

Cadence of the Planes wrote...

 Nyreen was a cool character. I got over her death pretty quickly though (unlike some people here.. >.<). It didn't impact me nearly as much as Ashley/Kaiden's death in ME1 or Mordin's death in ME3. 

I thought the circumstances involving her death made mostly made sense.

Get over it? well it's been a day since I completed DLC...and it's the only thing that truly bugs me, that's all.

Don't get me wrong, I was impacted by Mordin's death too, but it was just done right. It was obvious he had to sacrifice himself as there's no way he'd get Genophage cure running and have time to take elevator down.

Also, Mordin was an old dying man seeking redemption, but nevertheless under some circumstances you could save him.

Here it's not a case, instead of throwing a bunch of grenades @ the Adjudants Nyreen sets all of them at once and stays there to die with them. The worst thing is, Adjudants are pretty slow....
It's a silly death that just screams "WTF?" same about Thessia defeat for instance.

Read up mate. She did this so that the civilians would not be caught in the blast of the grenades and that no civies were caught in a crossfire of a firefight if she did move out of the way. She summoned a barrier around herself and the Adj's. So that the explosion would cause more damage via being done in a closed in space. And with the shield around them no civilians would be caught in the blast.

Also she did not know Shep and Aria was there till after she had the barrier up and the nades were set to go. Even then I'd reckon she would do it due to Civilians being in the area and she would not want them to be caught in the blast or in the crossfire of a fight between Them and the Adjudants.

Quite understandable really. Not like the Kai leng vs Sick Thane fight where Shep and co just stand there after Kai gets sent flying by Thanes biotic b!tch slap.


And before it gets said. No, normally just throwing grenades at the adjudants would not work. They are tough sob's as shon more clearly in the comics. They needed to be near quite a bit and the blast would need to be increased. Which it was when she summoned up the barrier due to explosions being far deadlier in a closed in area. This way there would be little to no chance of civvies getting caught in a crossfire or indangered by surviving adjudants.

Modifié par CodyMelch, 29 novembre 2012 - 01:00 .

[Chi_Mangetsu]

Great post CodyMelch.

And moreover, really not sure why people are so upset that Aria barely said anything about it. It's Aria. Sparing Oleg in the paragon version is a pretty huge milestone for her. More than likely she'll deal with her emotions by herself, perhaps in tears or perhaps finding any Cerberus stragglers and flaying them alive with her mind. People all deal with loss in different ways. Sometimes not everything is spoon-fed to you.

[Discouraged_one]

Biotic writing. Obviously the outdated implants

[Someone With Mass]

I just watched it and...wow, that was pointless beyond the obvious "she believed in sacrificing herself for other people" since BioWare can't do subtlety.

Hey, here's a nice thought: Why didn't she grab the grenades, threw them at the Adjutants and then ran to the people she tried to save and used her biotic bubble there to protect them that way and then shoot the surviving Adjutants?

Or even better: Run away completely with the other people.

Because that scene really reminded me of this more than anything.

The Adjutants were so slow that I think Nyreen could have done that move twice.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 29 novembre 2012 - 01:38 .

[ChrisLupton]

Lance Gardner wrote...

Chi_Mangetsu wrote...

The way I see it, her death was inevitable. For one, well, it was pretty much telegraphed with the discussion in the elevator with Aria. For two, what would happen should she survive and Aria was restored to power?

You could have had the choice to put Aria or Nyreen as leader of Omega.

There was a point while playing the DLC where I began to hope that I'd be able to chose who ruled Omega - Nyreen or Aria. It seemed like a decent Paragon/Renegade choice. I did think it was unlikely to happen, but I did hope it would.

I wonder if the absence of this choice implies that ME4 will be a sequel, not a prequel? There'd be no harm in making the fate of Omega a variable if there were no plans to use the post-ME3 universe again.