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[Redbelle]

magnetite wrote...

What mistakes? If by mistakes you mean, not giving the fans everything they asked for? Well that would compromise the story they are trying to tell. It's their story, the fans are just the audience.

Not like they hold any say or ownership in the company or anything.

ME3 feel's like it was ghost written by someone with a vague understanding of what it is about. But lacks the understanding to write about it in a way that fan's, won't notice.

[Suspire]

Redbelle wrote...

Suspire wrote...

What mistakes? They're perfect, don't you get it. They're just too deep for you.

You mean like, drowned?

That and possibly deep with their heads in the ground
but still 2deep4U

[clarkusdarkus]

And yet a single player game somewhere out there called skyrim still sold more copies than ME3 and they didnt need to add MP either......

[Fireblader70]

ioannisdenton wrote...

NOTE noone mentions:
ME team is different than DA team.
ME team does not seem to learn whereas DA team gave wonderfull DLC for DA2 whihc adressed lots of it's shortcomings...

That's true, actually. I personally wouldn't call them 'wonderful', but they were definitely marked improvements over the actual game.

[brummyuk19]

magnetite wrote...

What mistakes? If by mistakes you mean, not giving the fans everything they asked for? Well that would compromise the story they are trying to tell. It's their story, the fans are just the audience.

Not like the fans hold any say or ownership in the company or anything.

In a perfect world you would get everything you want, but this isn't a utopia. You need to start living in the real world.

Yeah but the thing is, we're the ones who pay for their content. If we do not like it, we have a right to complain. If they keep making the same rubbish content, we have a right not to pay.

If a company wants to do well, they need to appeal to their fanbase. If they don't, in the long run their profits will decline.

[ioannisdenton]

Fireblader70 wrote...

ioannisdenton wrote...

NOTE noone mentions:
ME team is different than DA team.
ME team does not seem to learn whereas DA team gave wonderfull DLC for DA2 whihc adressed lots of it's shortcomings...

That's true, actually. I personally wouldn't call them 'wonderful', but they were definitely marked improvements over the actual game.

MotA is the best Bw dlc for me. Funny , Cameos from DAO characters, orlesian cheeses, GREAT BOSS BATTLE for God's sake whereas Me3 Sucks donkeyballs

Modifié par ioannisdenton, 27 novembre 2012 - 10:55 .

[Rip504]

Steelcan wrote...

I don't know which is worse, that BioWare knows they are upsetting their fanbase but keep doing what they are doing regardless, or they genuinely think that it is quality work.

:lol:

clarkusdarkus wrote...

And yet a single player game somewhere out there called skyrim still sold more copies than ME3 and they didnt need to add MP either......

Dec.4th.

Modifié par Rip504, 27 novembre 2012 - 11:04 .

[AlexandraK]

Of course they don't.

[Fireblader70]

ioannisdenton wrote...

MotA is the best Bw dlc for me. Funny , Cameos from DAO characters, orlesian cheeses, GREAT BOSS BATTLE for God's sake whereas Me3 Sucks donkeyballs

I did actually have a lot of fun playing MotA

But hey, you know what's crazy? Even Dragon Age 2 does RPG better than Mass Effect 3.

[devSin]

Redbelle wrote...

ME3 feel's like it was ghost written by someone with a vague understanding of what it is about. But lacks the understanding to write about it in a way that fan's, won't notice.

This is an insanely cogent observation.

Nicely put.

ioannisdenton wrote...

MotA is the best Bw dlc for me. Funny , Cameos from DAO characters, orlesian cheeses, GREAT BOSS BATTLE for God's sake whereas Me3 Sucks donkeyballs

IIRC, it was written by David and Mary, and they always have fun.

DA2 DLC was pretty great. Curse you, Mark, Destroyer of Expansions and Good Story Opportunities!

Modifié par devSin, 27 novembre 2012 - 11:27 .

[archangel1996]

Of course they did people, look at at.........come on, look at........there is surely something you can look at.......

[ioannisdenton]

Fireblader70 wrote...

ioannisdenton wrote...

MotA is the best Bw dlc for me. Funny , Cameos from DAO characters, orlesian cheeses, GREAT BOSS BATTLE for God's sake whereas Me3 Sucks donkeyballs

I did actually have a lot of fun playing MotA

But hey, you know what's crazy? Even Dragon Age 2 does RPG better than Mass Effect 3.

Beats me. i love DA2. it has more meaningful dialogue than ME3 and better dilleimmas.
I am sure that DA3 will be good unlike Me3

[Kel Riever]

Dude, they are just misunderstood. Like my cat. I mean, sometimes I think he wants chicken, and what he really wants is tuna. He doesn't learn from his mistakes either.

Stupid cat. He should learn to talk! 

Modifié par Kel Riever, 28 novembre 2012 - 12:39 .

[Aaleel]

Bioware doesn't think they did anything wrong. In fact it's the plan. Bioware has a new business model to streamline their games to appeal to more demographics among gamers.

It's been going this way long before ME3 and this DLC came out.

[Velocithon]

They're not learning at all. In fact, they just continue to make the same mistakes while also making brand new ones.

"Biggest DLC yet". Chalk that up as yet another lie told by Bioware.

[Suspire]

They're geniuses. One day you will understand. You will be on your death bed and as your life flashes before your eyes, you will whisper.... "I get it, finally... Eaware was right.. it was all art...glorious delicious art" and then die in a fart. Soon after you will be synthesized and hugging a robot with a ****** in space, but whatever you try to say will be autodialogue. A lone tear will roll down your green face.

[Kel Riever]

Suspire wrote...

They're geniuses. One day you will understand. You will be on your death bed and as your life flashes before your eyes, you will whisper.... "I get it, finally... Eaware was right.. it was all art...glorious delicious art" and then die in a fart. Soon after you will be synthesized and hugging a robot with a ****** in space, but whatever you try to say will be autodialogue. A lone tear will roll down your green face.

:lol:

This here gets an award.  Of the highest order.

You crushed me with, 'green tear.' I'm crying some right now....

[Binary_Helix 1]

magnetite wrote...

What mistakes? If by mistakes you mean, not giving the fans everything they asked for? Well that would compromise the story they are trying to tell. It's their story, the fans are just the audience.

Not like the fans hold any say or ownership in the company or anything.

In a perfect world you would get everything you want, but this isn't a utopia. You need to start living in the real world.

You're not living in the real world. Lots of great games and movies flop. It's fans who make a company successful.

Bioware has deviated a lot from their past style and when you take risks there is an upside and a downside. Deal with it.

Modifié par Binary_Helix 1, 28 novembre 2012 - 12:48 .

[Suspire]

Aaleel wrote...

Bioware doesn't think they did anything wrong. In fact it's the plan. Bioware has a new business model to streamline their games to appeal to more demographics among gamers.

It's been going this way long before ME3 and this DLC came out.

QFT

[Binary_Helix 1]

Redbelle wrote...

magnetite wrote...

What mistakes? If by mistakes you mean, not giving the fans everything they asked for? Well that would compromise the story they are trying to tell. It's their story, the fans are just the audience.

Not like they hold any say or ownership in the company or anything.

ME3 feel's like it was ghost written by someone with a vague understanding of what it is about. But lacks the understanding to write about it in a way that fan's, won't notice.

I have a theory on that. As gaming has gotten lucrative and mainstream the nerdy white guy culture that made it successful is being replaced by hotshot Hollywood writers, corporate executives, and failed artists who couldn't land any better gigs.

Modifié par Binary_Helix 1, 28 novembre 2012 - 12:58 .

[CptBomBom00]

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

Redbelle wrote...

magnetite wrote...

What mistakes? If by mistakes you mean, not giving the fans everything they asked for? Well that would compromise the story they are trying to tell. It's their story, the fans are just the audience.

Not like they hold any say or ownership in the company or anything.

ME3 feel's like it was ghost written by someone with a vague understanding of what it is about. But lacks the understanding to write about it in a way that fan's, won't notice.

I have a theory on that. As gaming has gotten lucrative and mainstream the nerdy white guy culture that made it successful is being replaced by hotshot Hollywood writers, corporate executives, and failed artists who couldn't land any better gigs.

Bascially gaming is going downhill.

[Rip504]

magnetite wrote...

brummyuk19 wrote...
Yeah but the thing is, we're the ones who pay for their content. If we do not like it, we have a right to complain. If they keep making the same rubbish content, we have a right not to pay.

You certainly do have a right to complain, but you don't have the right to ask them to change or bend the story to your wishes.

If a company wants to do well, they need to appeal to their fanbase. If they don't, in the long run their profits will decline.

Which fanbase? The loud vocal minority? Or the ones who were completely satisfied and didn't go on about the game's flaws for months?

They might lose your money, but it's pretty clear that the people here make up a small portion of the fanbase. This game sold 4 million copies and based on what I've gathered, the vocal minority makes up around 2-3 percent of the whole.

It's been like this for other games I've played too. The people on the forums made up only around 1 pecent of the total amount of people who bought the game.

At the end of the day, they are a company which needs to make a profit. Catering to a minority won't make them anything. If you base your products on what a vocal minority wants, you'd go bankrupt pretty quick, because they won't make enough money to make more products. 

Your assumptions are based on what exactly?

Prove the Vocal Minority is 2-3% percent. As many agree the Vocal Minority are responsible for the "free" EC. That would be BW "catering" to the "2-3%" of vocal minority that would cause them to go bankrupt. A simple contradiction to your statement. Prove BW did not "cater" the EC to the vocal minortiy. This "2-3%" of people helped BW claim the most discussed ending in gaming history. It is very obvious by BW previous actions that the Vocal group are making enough noise to "cater" a response. I also would say it is safe to assume that the vocal group indeed buy DLCs,and now they may not be. Profits are starting to be lost.

Do you think ME4 will sell as good as ME3 when losing the "loud minority"? How many people are telling multiple others that ME3 is a bad game and BW has lost it's way? Hence they have lost money. FACT. Today I did not buy a 15$ DLC I had planned on buying. They lost that 15$ and potentially any further money I may have spent. As my close friends also feel the same. So today I can claim that BW has indeed started to lose profits they once had a hold upon.
 
Is ME3 potentially the highest grossing game for BW? Maybe. Does that translate to ME4 and further BW titles following the same path? It does not. A lot of fans bought ME3 on the basis of what ME1 and ME2 were. A former knowledge of BW and their games. Now we add BW new strategy and our displeasure with ME3 DA2 and multiple DLCs. I do not see how BW "covers" profits lost. They are simply lost,if not they would have gained even more profit. Hence no covering up lost profit. Did they and will they potentially reached their desired profit margin? Perhaps,although that is still not "covering' lost profits as those profits are indeed lost.

Will the negative feedback from ME3 end BW? Obviously not. Could the potential failure of DA3 and ME4 end BW. Potentially. "Future" was the keyword used by the other poster.

Would I like to see BW fail? NO. I hope they continue to make great games all can enjoy. I just haven't seen a good/great BW game in years. Years in which they have been trying to deliver.

Modifié par Rip504, 28 novembre 2012 - 01:17 .

[StayFrosty05]

Aaleel wrote...

Bioware doesn't think they did anything wrong. In fact it's the plan. Bioware has a new business model to streamline their games to appeal to more demographics among gamers.

It's been going this way long before ME3 and this DLC came out.

....And that's where BW lost me....

Well, there is mod friendly Bethesda....

Modifié par StayFrosty05, 28 novembre 2012 - 01:26 .

[Jere85]

Bioware after taking our money and watching these forums.