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[Uchimura]

Jiovanie- wrote...

Does it really matter whether or not she has barriers or shields? Is there a difference between the two that makes this important because if not this is just a trivial thing that isn't really a huge problem.

An Asari without Barriers, Hipster Huntress is what I'll call her now.

Doesn't. Just feels like we're getting classes distributed by Waremart.

[Learn To Love Yourself]

Wow, who the hell cares?

Just out of curiosity, do Barriers work the same as shields? Shields are "repulsive mass effect fields projected from tiny emitters" built into the armor. It is understandable, I suppose, why Tac Cloak would prohibit regen. Would the same apply to Barriers?

If Barriers function differently, then there would be threads stating that it makes no sense why TC would prohibit regen of Barriers. No one can ever be happy in the BSN except people who feed off tears.

[xBUMMx]

Maybe it's because of TC? I mean sheilds don't regen during cloak because all the power in your hard suit is going toward the cloak and not sheild regen. If the Huntress used barriers, there would be no excuse for her barriers not to regen because they are powered via her biotics and not her hard suit. Just a maybe kinda thing here.

Edit: DAMMIT JACK!!!!!

Modifié par xBUMMx, 28 novembre 2012 - 12:15 .

[Tyrannus00]

This is wrong.

[Cyonan]

Xaijin wrote...

The assumption that all biotics would be strong enough to also have barriers is exactly that, an assumption.

Which can also be applied to the Asari Huntress, despite being an Asari =P

[Grunt_Platform]

My guess? Skimped on barrier training to focus more on hurting things, and learning whatever trick lets her feed the power from breaking cloak into her amp. After all, spatial distortion effects like Dark Channel and Warp are a different class of biotic training than kinetic barriers (codex!).

See, it works in lore if you don't have a stick lodged firmly up your backside.

She probably can generate a barrier, but hasn't got it down to the casual level most biotics in ME2 and 3 have. Or maybe she's working off ME1 era logic and her shields and barriers aren't kept distinguished, with her armor's kinetic barrier tech supplementing her own fairly weak biotic barriers.

Modifié par EvanKester, 28 novembre 2012 - 12:24 .

[xBUMMx]

EvanKester wrote...

My guess? Skimped on barrier training to focus more on hurting things, and learning whatever trick lets her feed the power from breaking cloak into her amp. After all, spatial distortion effects like Dark Channel and Warp are a different class of biotic training than kinetic barriers (codex!).

See, it works in lore if you don't have a stick lodged firmly up your backside.

I love the codex. It taught me that warp is practically pissing off molecules by shaking the hell out of them until they leave.

[Archie-Scott]

Also, if you go into the character selection bit, and click the '?' on her, it says "Barrier 500/500". And she uses a Biotic dash. She a freak

[twiffer]

are you sure it's not just your tv color on the fritz?

:-)

[Atheosis]

Who cares? Barriers and shields for players are functionally identical.

Modifié par Atheosis, 28 novembre 2012 - 12:33 .

[PureGeth]

She uses Biotics as a Tech/Combat class.

[IoeShepard]

I use Shields - i need to kill faster !

[Shika]

To everyone saying barriers and shields are the same for players: try to stand next to a dying geth prime.

[enigmagtx]

You all have your tv brightness to high change it to black and white and you won't notice a thing.

[mybudgee]

Well....that sucks

Modifié par mybudgee, 28 novembre 2012 - 06:19 .

[Star fury]

So Huntress is asari, biotic and has description - 500 barriers. But people will still defend obvious devs' oversight.

[Cyonan]

Star fury wrote...

So Huntress is asari, biotic and has description - 500 barriers. But people will still defend obvious devs' oversight.

And yet nobody can answer me as to why it was never complained that the Human Sentinel(and a few other Biotics, including Sentinel Commander Shepard) is a biotic who also uses a shield.

Also go read the Vanguard and Adept descriptions. There's a hell of a lot of occurances of the word "shields" in there on characters with barriers =P

[Xaijin]

Makes you wonder how they would say Wasea was supposed to set up then if all asari are only supposed to have barriers.

Modifié par Xaijin, 28 novembre 2012 - 07:03 .

[Star fury]

Cyonan wrote...

Star fury wrote...

So Huntress is asari, biotic and has description - 500 barriers. But people will still defend obvious devs' oversight.

And yet nobody can answer me as to why it was never complained that the Human Sentinel(and a few other Biotics, including Sentinel Commander Shepard) is a biotic who also uses a shield.

Also go read the Vanguard and Adept descriptions. There's a hell of a lot of occurances of the word "shields" in there on characters with barriers =P

Uchimura wrote...

Because her description says Barrier 500/500.

And because sentinels have a mix of biotic AND tech abilities. Their description also writes - 500 SHIELDS, and HS have shields(breaking news!). Biower make such an amauterish mistakes even in simplest things. 

[RGFrog]

Queen Ultima wrote...

RGFrog wrote...

because lore since before you even heard of ME was that asari are ALL biotics to one extent or another.

for an asari to use shields instead means that either the devs yet again tossed lore out the window or the huntress is a lazy asari that never bothered to work on her biotics.

Ok, I'm going to have to stop this straw logic. Right. Here.

"All asari are natural biotics, however some choose not to develop their biotic power. "

Taken directly from the wiki, and I'm pretty sure it's in the Codex too. Like I said, the Huntress seems like an Asari that uses biotics exclusively for offense, and even biotics are not strong like an Adept to be the whole offense so she adds in tech and weapon powers. Adding the strain of a barrier would be too much, or perhaps they're not skilled enough to create a strong barrier so they choose shields that they KNOW will protect them more. It's not being lazy, it's about not being shot in the head cause you chose inferior protection. (giggety)

And can I ask, honestly, if Asari using shields "breaks the lore", how did you cope with the Pre-EC ending?

Same way I coped with the post-EC ending that didn't change a thing... You?

Also, thanks for quoting the second sentence in my post: "...or the huntress is a lazy asari that never bothered to work on her biotics."

I'm fully aware of the lore. Your straw logic claim is invalid. If you're going to take something out of context, then perhaps you shouldn't quote the context you're attempting to debunk.

Cyonan wrote...

RGFrog wrote...

stuff...

Ah yes, the "it doesn't follow lore" argument. The MP board posters seem to love their lore.

How curious then, that nobody complained about how the Human Sentinel, who is obviously a biotic, has shields and the other numerous cases of Sentinels with biotics that don't have barriers.

Sentinel is a mix of tech and biotic... any mix. Without biotics AND tech together, the character is not a Sent. It's either adept or engineer/soldier... Shields are tech. TC is tech. An asari that uses sheilds and TC and biotics, is a Sent. In this case, there's precedence in the SP campaign where Shep and crew meet up with an Asari Inf. that only uses her widow.

Grenades, imo, don't count. So I don't count the vorcha to be a sentinel. Just a vorcha with a buddy that knows how to apply biotics to the vorcha's shiny balls. 

Cyonan wrote...

Or perhaps it's not that people care about the lore as much as they claim, but rather that they just want to QQ about the devs?

Because apparently if you aren't hating on Bioware at every turn, you're an apologetic around here =P

If ALL you do is praise the devs, that's fine. You're a fan. Cool.

If ALL you do is praise the devs, AND vehemently defend the devs then yes you are an apologetic.

I enjoyed StarWars Ep's 1-3 because I enjoy the universe Lucas created. That doesn't mean that I think eps 1-3 were perfect (in fact, they were far from it). IMO, they were pale versions of what they could have been had Lucas not been wearing so many hats and pretty much did what he did for Ep.5.

Like I've already posted, there's SP lore and MP lore does not track anywhere close to 100% where the characters are concerned.

If you're fine with that because you enjoy the direction, then that's great. You're not an apologetic. You're a fan and are enjoying the game.

If you're fine with that and choose to defend the devs because they are somehow iinfallible, or blindly think it works because BW did it and for no other reason, then you're an apologetic.

Which are you? I"m the prior. Some stuff I enjoy, some I don't. But if it's not lore, I'm not going to act like it is and clap my hands and defend them.
Especially when they haven't even bothered to take the time and retcon 

[mackfactor]

Yet another thing that I don't care one iota about.

[Wulfram]

Biotics not using shields is dumb. Why would you waste your energy protecting yourself when you can grab a shield that'll do just as good a job?

[corporal doody]

non-issue