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[Callie K]

There are almost no mothers in Fereldan.

Dwarf noble?  No mom.
Elven alienage?  Dead mom.
Dalish elf?  Dead mom.  (Dad too.)
Dwarven castless? ...haven't played it, let me know.
Mage?  Not sure.  I believe I remember being asked about my relationship with my dad, but not my mom.
Human noble?  Mom, check!  (Although, then she dies.  Dad, too.)

Anora's got no mom, either.  Alistair's got a dead mom.  (But dad, too.)  Flemeth isn't Morrigan's real mom...Is Leliana an orphan?

Seems like a mother shortage going around here. 

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Dwarven casteless has a mom. She's a drunk.



But no mother shortage. You have reverend mothers, demon mothers (Flemeth)..and BROODMOTHERS.



Plenty of mothers abound.

[Isaantia]

Callie K wrote...

There are almost no mothers in Fereldan.

Dwarf noble?  No mom.
Elven alienage?  Dead mom.
Dalish elf?  Dead mom.  (Dad too.)
Dwarven castless? ...haven't played it, let me know.
Mage?  Not sure.  I believe I remember being asked about my relationship with my dad, but not my mom.
Human noble?  Mom, check!  (Although, then she dies.  Dad, too.)

Anora's got no mom, either.  Alistair's got a dead mom.  (But dad, too.)  Flemeth isn't Morrigan's real mom...Is Leliana an orphan?

Seems like a mother shortage going around here. 

Don't forget that Cailan's mom is dead too! Leiliana's mom is also dead. Zev's mom died in childbirth. Casteless have a mom but she's a drunk and doesn't really count. As a mage, you lose ties to your family so you are motherless.

This is one thing that bugs me about the lore of Thedas. All the super strong women get killed off in droves.

Andraste - burned at the stake:o
Rowan - dies of mysterious illness in an epilogue<_<
Queen Moira - betrayed and murdered

Ironically, Alistair's real mom may not actually be dead. But for all intents and purposes, he grows up motherless.

It is almost like Ferelden is a study in the psychology of motherlessness and the video game is just a secondary result. heh.

[pitlord_special]

Maybe you have a selective memory because I remember a few mothers in the game.



Isolde (Eamon's wife)

Alistair's half-sister

the disowned dwarf daughter in dust town

The dwarf who asks for you to look for her son in the Deep roads

The high dragon of Haven

[Sialater]

Morrigan, in some cases....

[ReubenLiew]

Well there was an entire session with singing, so that counts I guess.

Where is my upbeat magical talking animals/inanimate objects however? Although I guess Dog kind of qualifies.

[Herr Uhl]

ReubenLiew wrote...
Where is my upbeat magical talking animals/inanimate objects however? Although I guess Dog kind of qualifies.

We have a poet-tree.

[ReubenLiew]

That IS true!

It IS a Disney wonderland!

So where's my Disney-death?

[Truncated Flea]

ReubenLiew wrote...

Well there was an entire session with singing, so that counts I guess.
Where is my upbeat magical talking animals/inanimate objects however? Although I guess Dog kind of qualifies.

Kitty?

[ReubenLiew]

Aha! Good catch.

[Tibbi_Sunshine]

Being an orphan or bereft of some parent is often a trait of heroes in a typical hero's journey. Luke Skywalker and Dorothy Gale for example. It's often used to give a reason for the hero's impetus to leave their known world and venture out into the larger world (because they have no familial ties), it serves to increase their empathy or desire to save others from their lonely existence, and it serves to make them more "worldly" or set them apart from conventional society.



DA:O includes a number of elements Hero's Journey, really.



Call to Adventure/Refusal of the Call: Meeting/Being Conscripted by Duncan

Supernatural Aid and Belly of the Whale would both be the Joining

Crossing the First Threshold is your arrival at Ostagar

The Road of Trials would be getting your allies together, maybe.



I could go on, but you get the idea.

[Herr Uhl]

ReubenLiew wrote...
So where's my Disney-death?

Riordan you fool!

[ReubenLiew]

Perhaps Duncan in the new DLC?

I demand a musical number when he does, though.

[ReubenLiew]

Herr Uhl wrote...

ReubenLiew wrote...
So where's my Disney-death?

Riordan you fool!

Riordan died for real, silly!

[Herr Uhl]

ReubenLiew wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

ReubenLiew wrote...
So where's my Disney-death?

Riordan you fool!

Riordan died for real, silly!

Ah, I thought about the falling death. You come back from certain oblivion though.

Edit: I blame Disney for my fear of heights.

Modifié par Herr Uhl, 04 janvier 2010 - 09:48 .

[stormrain]

ReubenLiew wrote...

So where's my Disney-death?

If you agreed to Morrigan's bed trick, the Warden has sort of Disney-death.

[ReubenLiew]

Hmmm... that is quite true I guess. Well that settles it, the Dragon Age movie needs to be produced by Disney next.

[Truncated Flea]

Would Wynne count as a Disney death?

[ReubenLiew]

Hmm... well you didn't actually witness her die, so not really I guess.

A good disney death needs to make the audience believe that said character might be dead, and little kids need to actually SEE to body to understand what that means.

[Herr Uhl]

ReubenLiew wrote...
A good disney death needs to make the audience believe that said character might be dead, and little kids need to actually SEE to body to understand what that means.

She does die in that certain random encounter though.

[ReubenLiew]

No she doesn't, she faints!

[Herr Uhl]

ReubenLiew wrote...

No she doesn't, she faints!

She said she was dead, and looked dead.

She had me all worried .

[ReubenLiew]

She did?

I remember her just fainting, not dieing...

[Herr Uhl]

She did tell you that she is technically dead after that.



And it was fainting in a cutscene, that usually means death. Remember the pocketknife of doom and arrows of inexplicable doom.

[ReubenLiew]

Hmm... well I guess we can count that after all!

But it's not quite as powerful as your character after doing the deed with Morrigan, since it's done at the climax of the story which is where all (most) good disney deaths occur!