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[MetalDeggial]

Something tells me this isn't gonna get fixed. But why wouldn't they give her weapon damage bonuses? Just to make a point with the biotic powers they gave her?

I honestly do not like shooting DC and then sitting in cover while it slowly does damage. DC as a whole is a terrible power. Sure, that garbage "might" be good for a gold/platinum solo, but it's useless for team play. NO ONE waits for it to do full damage. Chances are, your opponent will be dead 1 second after you apply DC.

I was only looking forward to this character if only to see how ridiculous the Warp-Incendiary bug was on her, and then forget her in favor of the Valkyrie and Fury. Bummer.

[CmnDwnWrkn]

MetalDeggial wrote...

Something tells me this isn't gonna get fixed. But why wouldn't they give her weapon damage bonuses? Just to make a point with the biotic powers they gave her?

I honestly do not like shooting DC and then sitting in cover while it slowly does damage. DC as a whole is a terrible power. Sure, that garbage "might" be good for a gold/platinum solo, but it's useless for team play. NO ONE waits for it to do full damage. Chances are, your opponent will be dead 1 second after you apply DC.

I was only looking forward to this character if only to see how ridiculous the Warp-Incendiary bug was on her, and then forget her in favor of the Valkyrie and Fury. Bummer.

You're wrong about DC being a terrible power.  The way you used it might have been terrible, but that doesn't make the power itself bad.

[UKStory135]

Feneckus wrote...

JSLfromBx wrote...

Good job proving you're a clueless noob and a incompetent player.

As for the Phantom, oh boy, now that one is priceless, any shadow can kill a phantom by pushing 2 button and she dies instantly, not 20 sec later after she's done evicerating your teammate.

A Shadow has to take special precautions before shadow striking a phantom. She has to be out of sight otherwise the phantom will melee her before the SS even hits. Not to mention lots of BS that can happen during the animation, like an Atlas Rocket doing a 360 and hitting you mid animation.

A Huntress can just cloak -> Dark Channel and seek another target.

UKStory135 wrote...

She'd also have a third power that did something.

Being invisible, boosting power damage by 105% and ignoring cooldown penalties isn't enough ? Damn.

Even by BSN standards this is retarded.

The 105% damage boosts amounts to only about 150 DPS on DC, which is not much at all.  One of the bugs that is being reported is that TC's cooldown doesn't cancel when left early and since TC has a higher cooldown than warp, it actually hinders your cooldown.

If BW made a separate power that did the damage that TC's boost actually did, people would be up in arms about how terrible it is.

BTW, the R-word is offensive. 

[JSLfromBx]

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

The point is - you can cast DC and it deals damage over time that doesn't require your active participation.  This allows you to then deal damage simultanously in a different way.  For example, cast DC to deal with that group of Cannibals over there, and then focus on taking down the Brute with Warp and weapon fire.  

The point is that it takes 10 seconds for your TCDC to kill one single cannibal!!!!

10 bloody seconds when that cannibal is still shooting
10 bloody seconds when than cannibal is still throwing grenades
10 bloody seconds when that cannibal is still executing team mates.

You are NOT dealing with them
You are NOT doing your freacking job, as an infiltrator you have one single duty: Kill the bastard ASAP
Nobody gives a rat's ass that you can kill a group of cannibal in 30 sec, either you kill them right now, or you're a piece of trash and somebody else on the team will have to waste precious seconds of their time to your job for you.

If you can't get that into your head you have no buisness talking about the class balance of a game you understand nothing about, go back to your bronze loby and stop wasting our time with your pathetic "stategy".

[unclemonster]

JSLfromBx wrote...

Feneckus wrote...

peddroelmz wrote...

Feneckus wrote...

Kind of funny how for once we have a somewhat balanced infiltrator and everyone is butthurt about it.

Almoust sounds like you are advocating removal of damage bonuses from cloak for all the other infiltrators too ...

Can other infiltrators kill a Gold Brute just by pressing two buttons (TC + DC) ?

Can other infiltrators kill a Banshee just by shooting at it once and pressing two buttons ?

Can other infiltrators kill Phantoms as casually as the Huntress ?

Good job proving you're a clueless noob and a incompetent player., even a half asleep Geth infiltrator can wipe out half of a wave on their own before your DC kill that Banshee.
As for the Phantom, oh boy, now that one is priceless, any shadow can kill a phantom by pushing 2 button and she dies instantly, not 20 sec later after she's done evicerating your teammate.

Dear god, I feel  sorry for all the poor pugger who ever had the terrible luck of having someone like you in their match.

ROFL!!!

I had to laugh here.
Feneckus is an outstanding player, one of the absolute BEST
anyone would be fortunate to PUG with him

I do disagree with him on this issue and that is ok
everyone is entitled to their opinions

Modifié par unclemonster, 30 novembre 2012 - 06:35 .

[Kalas Magnus]

unclemonster wrote...

JSLfromBx wrote...

Feneckus wrote...

peddroelmz wrote...

Feneckus wrote...

Kind of funny how for once we have a somewhat balanced infiltrator and everyone is butthurt about it.

Almoust sounds like you are advocating removal of damage bonuses from cloak for all the other infiltrators too ...

Can other infiltrators kill a Gold Brute just by pressing two buttons (TC + DC) ?

Can other infiltrators kill a Banshee just by shooting at it once and pressing two buttons ?

Can other infiltrators kill Phantoms as casually as the Huntress ?

Good job proving you're a clueless noob and a incompetent player., even a half asleep Geth infiltrator can wipe out half of a wave on their own before your DC kill that Banshee.
As for the Phantom, oh boy, now that one is priceless, any shadow can kill a phantom by pushing 2 button and she dies instantly, not 20 sec later after she's done evicerating your teammate.

Dear god, I feel  sorry for all the poor pugger who ever had the terrible luck of having someone like you in their match.

ROFL!!!

I had to laugh here.
Feneckus is an outstanding player, one of the absolute BEST
anyone would be fortunate to PUG with him

I do disagree with him on this issue and that is ok
everyone is entitled to their opinions

It is not OK. D:<

He is defending a bug on the grounds that she is powerful enough. I dont want a powerful adept. I want an infiltrator with biotics.

[Jay_Hoxtatron]

Kalas321 wrote...

It is not OK. D:<

He is defending a bug on the grounds that she is powerful enough. I dont want a powerful adept. I want an infiltrator with biotics.

You just want a Destroyer of Worlds character . And that's fine, I certainly wouldn't mind the Asari's TC work correctly.

[ValorOfArms777]

This thread still going..impressive now give into the darkness give into your rage! join..the BSN mwahahahhahaha

[unclemonster]

[/quote]It is not OK. D:<

He is defending a bug on the grounds that she is powerful enough. I dont want a powerful adept. I want an infiltrator with biotics.

[/quote]


I want the same thing that you do. I was just laughing at the post calling Feneckus a "noob".
I fear we are SOL as tinkering with the power tree itself requires a patch and there hasn't been a dev brave enough to post in this thread. they are doing some serious hiding out. someone at Bioware please grab some sack, and give us our deserved response!!!!!

[unclemonster]

Jay_Hoxtatron wrote...

Kalas321 wrote...

It is not OK. D:<

He is defending a bug on the grounds that she is powerful enough. I dont want a powerful adept. I want an infiltrator with biotics.

You just want a Destroyer of Worlds character . And that's fine, I certainly wouldn't mind the Asari's TC work correctly.

Oooooo!! I shall name her LADY GALACTUS!!!

Modifié par unclemonster, 30 novembre 2012 - 07:01 .

[metaempiricist]

****loads of extra dot and warp rounds on my talon is working just fine...haters

While it will be nice to have the extra weapon damage I feel she has plenty of synergy and can already take down all enemies proficiently. I think she is either going to be a great class when fixxed or we have been trolled again by bioware fuzzy wordplay and confusing mp approach and already have a good class.

Modifié par metaempiricist, 30 novembre 2012 - 07:08 .

[sandboxgod]

JSLfromBx wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

The point is - you can cast DC and it deals damage over time that doesn't require your active participation.  This allows you to then deal damage simultanously in a different way.  For example, cast DC to deal with that group of Cannibals over there, and then focus on taking down the Brute with Warp and weapon fire.  

The point is that it takes 10 seconds for your TCDC to kill one single cannibal!!!!

10 bloody seconds when that cannibal is still shooting
10 bloody seconds when than cannibal is still throwing grenades
10 bloody seconds when that cannibal is still executing team mates.

You are NOT dealing with them
You are NOT doing your freacking job, as an infiltrator you have one single duty: Kill the bastard ASAP
Nobody gives a rat's ass that you can kill a group of cannibal in 30 sec, either you kill them right now, or you're a piece of trash and somebody else on the team will have to waste precious seconds of their time to your job for you.

If you can't get that into your head you have no buisness talking about the class balance of a game you understand nothing about, go back to your bronze loby and stop wasting our time with your pathetic "stategy".

Interesting point. When I cloak->DC something and run off to kill other things I ensure that mob is not a threat to my team. Sure, they are not dead ASAP but they will be dead in a few secs. But if I need them dead ASAP well that is what Cloak->Warp+Incediary ammo is for 

edit: To be clear though, I just want a dev response on this. Might not ever get it at this point but a man can hope in vain forever 

Modifié par sandboxgod, 30 novembre 2012 - 07:08 .

[CmnDwnWrkn]

JSLfromBx wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

The point is - you can cast DC and it deals damage over time that doesn't require your active participation.  This allows you to then deal damage simultanously in a different way.  For example, cast DC to deal with that group of Cannibals over there, and then focus on taking down the Brute with Warp and weapon fire.  

The point is that it takes 10 seconds for your TCDC to kill one single cannibal!!!!

10 bloody seconds when that cannibal is still shooting
10 bloody seconds when than cannibal is still throwing grenades
10 bloody seconds when that cannibal is still executing team mates.

You are NOT dealing with them
You are NOT doing your freacking job, as an infiltrator you have one single duty: Kill the bastard ASAP
Nobody gives a rat's ass that you can kill a group of cannibal in 30 sec, either you kill them right now, or you're a piece of trash and somebody else on the team will have to waste precious seconds of their time to your job for you.

If you can't get that into your head you have no buisness talking about the class balance of a game you understand nothing about, go back to your bronze loby and stop wasting our time with your pathetic "stategy".

I don't know what you're so angry about.  You seem to be very insecure, as you are clearly attempting to convince yourself that you're somehow better than others.

I'm not going to waste my time responding to your ridiculous argument.  Just answer me this - do you play any other classes, or is it all Infiltrator all the time?  Your demeanor seems to indicate this is the case.

Kalas321 wrote...
It is not OK. D:<

He is defending a
bug on the grounds that she is powerful enough. I dont want a powerful
adept. I want an infiltrator with biotics.

I want to be able to play collectors on PS3 and not worry about my console locking up.  Unfortunately, we don't always get what we want.  And we don't always get a prompt response to issues within 24 hours, weeks, or even months.

So in the meantime, I guess you'll just have to deal with it.  The fact is, there are numerous bugs in this game.  Some have been there since launch with no signs of a fix.

It's fine that people are upset and want this issue to be fixed.  You certainly have a right to report this issue, discuss it, etc.  But this demand for an instant reply, and  throwing a hissy fit when they don't get one, is making some people look like spoiled, whiny children.

Modifié par CmnDwnWrkn, 30 novembre 2012 - 07:20 .

[Geek]

Jay_Hoxtatron wrote...

Kalas321 wrote...

It is not OK. D:<

He is defending a bug on the grounds that she is powerful enough. I dont want a powerful adept. I want an infiltrator with biotics.

You just want a Destroyer of Worlds character . And that's fine, I certainly wouldn't mind the Asari's TC work correctly.

I do. Something to rival the GI, the Ghost or the male Quarian.

At least having the choice would be nice. The way I want to spec her I don't care at all about cloak's bonus damage to biotics.

[unclemonster]

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

JSLfromBx wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

The point is - you can cast DC and it deals damage over time that doesn't require your active participation.  This allows you to then deal damage simultanously in a different way.  For example, cast DC to deal with that group of Cannibals over there, and then focus on taking down the Brute with Warp and weapon fire.  

The point is that it takes 10 seconds for your TCDC to kill one single cannibal!!!!

10 bloody seconds when that cannibal is still shooting
10 bloody seconds when than cannibal is still throwing grenades
10 bloody seconds when that cannibal is still executing team mates.

You are NOT dealing with them
You are NOT doing your freacking job, as an infiltrator you have one single duty: Kill the bastard ASAP
Nobody gives a rat's ass that you can kill a group of cannibal in 30 sec, either you kill them right now, or you're a piece of trash and somebody else on the team will have to waste precious seconds of their time to your job for you.

If you can't get that into your head you have no buisness talking about the class balance of a game you understand nothing about, go back to your bronze loby and stop wasting our time with your pathetic "stategy".

I don't know what you're so angry about.  You seem to be very insecure, as you are clearly attempting to convince yourself that you're somehow better than others.

I'm not going to waste my time responding to your ridiculous argument.  Just answer me this - do you play any other classes, or is it all Infiltrator all the time?  Your demeanor seems to indicate this is the case.

Kalas321 wrote...
It is not OK. D:<

He is defending a
bug on the grounds that she is powerful enough. I dont want a powerful
adept. I want an infiltrator with biotics.

I want to be able to play collectors on PS3 and not worry about my console locking up.  Unfortunately, we don't always get what we want.  And we don't always get a prompt response to issues within 24 hours, weeks, or even months.

So in the meantime, I guess you'll just have to deal with it.  The fact is, there are numerous bugs in this game.  Some have been there since launch with no signs of a fix.

It's fine that people are upset and want this issue to be fixed.  You certainly have a right to report this issue, discuss it, etc.  But this demand for an instant reply, and  throwing a hissy fit when they don't get one, is making some people look like spoiled, whiny children.

PS3 player here as well and I respectfully disagree.
The devs are VERY active on this forum. I haven't seen them this silent since I started coming here a couple months ago. When they released the broken Vorcha Engineer they acknowledged it the same day and said a fix would be applied with balance changes the following week.
They probably don't have a solution, so they are the ones that are hiding and acting like little children (not us)
It is not an instant reply being demanded, it has been 3 days and still NOTHING!

[sandboxgod]

Geek Fest wrote...

Jay_Hoxtatron wrote...

Kalas321 wrote...

It is not OK. D:<

He is defending a bug on the grounds that she is powerful enough. I dont want a powerful adept. I want an infiltrator with biotics.

You just want a Destroyer of Worlds character . And that's fine, I certainly wouldn't mind the Asari's TC work correctly.

I do. Something to rival the GI, the Ghost or the male Quarian.

At least having the choice would be nice. The way I want to spec her I don't care at all about cloak's bonus damage to biotics.

True, there is not much variety in how people would probably spec her at the moment. If we had weapon bonuses then there would be much more variety. Atm, dropping Dark Channel from a build would almost cripple her. But if she had weapon bonuses, dropping DC would make a lot more sense (too me)

[smilinpig]

 I've heard this quite few times in game with randoms. No proof but the possibilities are good considering all the other strange glitches and bugs in this game.

Got a friend who says he tested it too and there is no weapon damage boost...shame really. Minimizes the purpose of her although I've scored quite well in platinums just using DC/W combos uncloaked.. 

[heybigmoney]

The bonuses to warp ammo or incendiary ammo with her biotics will boost your weapon dmg so much that it practically replaces the lost dmg from cloak.

If cloak ends up getting fixed......yikes.

[Asebstos]

heybigmoney wrote...

The bonuses to warp ammo or incendiary ammo with her biotics will boost your weapon dmg so much that it practically replaces the lost dmg from cloak.

If cloak ends up getting fixed......yikes.

Pretty much this. I was using her in Gold games with some very competent players and I had no trouble topping or nearly topping the meaningless scoreboards. Use Warp ammo and just melt everything since both your Biotic Powers are primers and, thanks to TC boosting them for their entire duration, do signficant DOT.

[Zero132132]

Jay_Hoxtatron wrote...

Kalas321 wrote...

It is not OK. D:<

He is defending a bug on the grounds that she is powerful enough. I dont want a powerful adept. I want an infiltrator with biotics.

You just want a Destroyer of Worlds character . And that's fine, I certainly wouldn't mind the Asari's TC work correctly.

It doesn't even have to be that. Just having something not work is bad. Who cares if it's "good enough" as-is? She's still bugged.

I wanted to play her as a weapon specialist, using warp rounds as well as DC for groups of mooks and warp for big enemies. She can still carry heavier weapons than Biotics, because despite what people keep saying, decloaking immediately does give you the cooldown reduction,  but that lack of weapon damage very substantially changes the effectiveness of different builds, including the one I'd wanted to try.

Basically, things should work as opposed to not work.

[CmnDwnWrkn]

unclemonster wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

JSLfromBx wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

The point is - you can cast DC and it deals damage over time that doesn't require your active participation.  This allows you to then deal damage simultanously in a different way.  For example, cast DC to deal with that group of Cannibals over there, and then focus on taking down the Brute with Warp and weapon fire.  

The point is that it takes 10 seconds for your TCDC to kill one single cannibal!!!!

10 bloody seconds when that cannibal is still shooting
10 bloody seconds when than cannibal is still throwing grenades
10 bloody seconds when that cannibal is still executing team mates.

You are NOT dealing with them
You are NOT doing your freacking job, as an infiltrator you have one single duty: Kill the bastard ASAP
Nobody gives a rat's ass that you can kill a group of cannibal in 30 sec, either you kill them right now, or you're a piece of trash and somebody else on the team will have to waste precious seconds of their time to your job for you.

If you can't get that into your head you have no buisness talking about the class balance of a game you understand nothing about, go back to your bronze loby and stop wasting our time with your pathetic "stategy".

I don't know what you're so angry about.  You seem to be very insecure, as you are clearly attempting to convince yourself that you're somehow better than others.

I'm not going to waste my time responding to your ridiculous argument.  Just answer me this - do you play any other classes, or is it all Infiltrator all the time?  Your demeanor seems to indicate this is the case.

Kalas321 wrote...
It is not OK. D:<

He is defending a
bug on the grounds that she is powerful enough. I dont want a powerful
adept. I want an infiltrator with biotics.

I want to be able to play collectors on PS3 and not worry about my console locking up.  Unfortunately, we don't always get what we want.  And we don't always get a prompt response to issues within 24 hours, weeks, or even months.

So in the meantime, I guess you'll just have to deal with it.  The fact is, there are numerous bugs in this game.  Some have been there since launch with no signs of a fix.

It's fine that people are upset and want this issue to be fixed.  You certainly have a right to report this issue, discuss it, etc.  But this demand for an instant reply, and  throwing a hissy fit when they don't get one, is making some people look like spoiled, whiny children.

PS3 player here as well and I respectfully disagree.
The devs are VERY active on this forum. I haven't seen them this silent since I started coming here a couple months ago. When they released the broken Vorcha Engineer they acknowledged it the same day and said a fix would be applied with balance changes the following week.
They probably don't have a solution, so they are the ones that are hiding and acting like little children (not us)
It is not an instant reply being demanded, it has been 3 days and still NOTHING!

If there's an issue that can't be fixed in a balance change, this is their standard way of dealing with the issue - they simply don't respond to it.  At times, they'll say something like, "We're planning on looking into it," and then you'll never hear from them again.  But if there isn't a easy solution, and there isn't a patch on the horizon, they will never respond to the issue.

In other words, you'll never see the following: "We're aware of this problem, and unfortunately there is nothing we can do about it at this time."  

Which I understand is very frustrating, annoying, anger-inducing, etc.  But let's be honest, this is not the only bug in the game, nor is it the most critical.  They might respond to it, they might not.  But that's the way it is, and is not all inconsistent with their past behavior.

[UKStory135]

Zero132132 wrote...

Jay_Hoxtatron wrote...

Kalas321 wrote...

It is not OK. D:<

He is defending a bug on the grounds that she is powerful enough. I dont want a powerful adept. I want an infiltrator with biotics.

You just want a Destroyer of Worlds character . And that's fine, I certainly wouldn't mind the Asari's TC work correctly.

It doesn't even have to be that. Just having something not work is bad. Who cares if it's "good enough" as-is? She's still bugged.

I wanted to play her as a weapon specialist, using warp rounds as well as DC for groups of mooks and warp for big enemies. She can still carry heavier weapons than Biotics, because despite what people keep saying, decloaking immediately does give you the cooldown reduction,  but that lack of weapon damage very substantially changes the effectiveness of different builds, including the one I'd wanted to try.

Basically, things should work as opposed to not work.

That is my viewpoint.

[masleslie]

Given we are up to 21 pages in only a few days my precognitive powers tell me that someone at Bioware will have been given the unenviable task of fixing the bugs in upcoming balance changes.

In other news... i'm not entirely sure how this thread got consumed with debating whether DC is any good or not. The Huntress had another power (aside from cloak). I tried a build with the two powers cloaked option, using DC first then warp for combos, but the cooldowns were a problem. So i respeced & now I use DC first, then cloak to avoid the hail of gunfire from unhappy bad guys while i get into position, then hit someone in the middle of the affected group with warp. Ka-Boom! Don't know about damage boosts but it is fun!

[Zero132132]

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

If there's an issue that can't be fixed in a balance change, this is their standard way of dealing with the issue - they simply don't respond to it.  At times, they'll say something like, "We're planning on looking into it," and then you'll never hear from them again.  But if there isn't a easy solution, and there isn't a patch on the horizon, they will never respond to the issue.

In other words, you'll never see the following: "We're aware of this problem, and unfortunately there is nothing we can do about it at this time."  

Which I understand is very frustrating, annoying, anger-inducing, etc.  But let's be honest, this is not the only bug in the game, nor is it the most critical.  They might respond to it, they might not.  But that's the way it is, and is not all inconsistent with their past behavior.

There's one counterexample, and part of me thinks that the way that many (especially me) reacted to it is what brought about their current stance.

Someone asked a thread that devs were active in why they hadn't done anything about Geth hunters and rocket troopers firing when they shouldn't be able to (staggered, stasised, pulled, otherwise ragdolled). Eric Fagnan basically said that it wasn't a priority, and everyone got pretty pissed, including me. I was even the ass hole that started a thread specifically pointing at the other stupid fixes that they HAD bothered to work on that clearly should have been less important. Even then, I really wish he'd just given a vague claim that they were looking into it like they did with blade armor on the Batarians.

So there have been times where they responded, even though it wasn't something they could fix in a balance change. And it didn't go well. And to a substantial extent, it was my fault.

[TODD 5184]

Why is BW not commenting? Working as intended?