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[Bestyj669]

Bail_Darilar wrote...

So your saying that when a product comes out on the shelves no matter what it is and has a deluxe edition version with more content in it for you to buy you will complain because they should just package everything together? No this is how business's work no matter what the product or industry is, you pay for the content your given. And those 'complete' games you mention were during times when the distribution channels were nearly not as wide as they are now. It's not like companies weren't bringing our revisions with extra content in those days anyway focing gamers to shell out another lump of money for the same game plus abit... remember Street Fghter 2 and all the revisions?

From recent (ish) events then:
Skyrim didn't have a day 1 DLC.
Dark Souls didn't have a day 1 DLC.
New Vegas didn't have a day 1 DLC.
Max Payne 3 didn't have a day 1 DLC.
GT5 didn't come with one either.

As a matter of fact I can't think of a single game I was interested in coming with it, apart from DA2 & ME3...

I've got nothing against DLC's as such. It's just when they're released in paralel with the game, and cost ~20% of it for a single companion  ...

[The Teyrn of Whatever]

As an incentive to pre-order a game, I'm perfectly okay with this. Javik in ME3 was not an essential character; other than meeting a real live Prothean, he didn't add anything to the main plot. Even if his storyline was chopped out of the main game, it didn't really feel that way. One could happily play the game without ever needing the From Ashes DLC.

I think Day One DLC should be cheaper than most DLC, for those who didn't preorder, despite length of gameplay and amount of new content added. I don't ever think Day One content should be essential to the main game. The vanilla game should be able to stand on its own w/o it.

Modifié par The Teryn of Whatever, 28 novembre 2012 - 04:53 .

[AstraDrakkar]

I certainly hope not......unless it's a toolset-lol.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Bestyj669 wrote...

From recent (ish) events then:
Skyrim didn't have a day 1 DLC.
Dark Souls didn't have a day 1 DLC.
New Vegas didn't have a day 1 DLC.
Max Payne 3 didn't have a day 1 DLC.
GT5 didn't come with one either.

As a matter of fact I can't think of a single game I was interested in coming with it, apart from DA2 & ME3...

I've got nothing against DLC's as such. It's just when they're released in paralel with the game, and cost ~20% of it for a single companion  ...

I would suggest you re-read your own post. Notice something?

Yup, not a single one of the games you listed above is from EA. On the other hand, your exceptions, namely DA2 and ME3, are. That's why.

Modifié par Fiery Phoenix, 28 novembre 2012 - 05:13 .

[garrusfan1]

There will most likely be one but seeing as I will buy the collectors edition I don't have to worry evil laugh.

[Iakus]

I have no problem with it as an encouragement to buy new, like The Stone Prisoner or the Cerberus Network. New copy? Free stuff! It's when it costs more $$$ even after you already paid full price that it starts to look tacky, to put it in the nicest possible way..

[Bail_Darilar]

Bestyj669 wrote...

Bail_Darilar wrote...

So your saying that when a product comes out on the shelves no matter what it is and has a deluxe edition version with more content in it for you to buy you will complain because they should just package everything together? No this is how business's work no matter what the product or industry is, you pay for the content your given. And those 'complete' games you mention were during times when the distribution channels were nearly not as wide as they are now. It's not like companies weren't bringing our revisions with extra content in those days anyway focing gamers to shell out another lump of money for the same game plus abit... remember Street Fghter 2 and all the revisions?

From recent (ish) events then:
Skyrim didn't have a day 1 DLC.
Dark Souls didn't have a day 1 DLC.
New Vegas didn't have a day 1 DLC.
Max Payne 3 didn't have a day 1 DLC.
GT5 didn't come with one either.

As a matter of fact I can't think of a single game I was interested in coming with it, apart from DA2 & ME3...

I've got nothing against DLC's as such. It's just when they're released in paralel with the game, and cost ~20% of it for a single companion  ...

So tell me this what's the difference between day 1 dlc and preorder incentive? Or incentive to buy a collector's or limited edition? A friend of mine preordered the new Mortal Kombat game and got special skins for characters included a few months later they released the skins for everyone to get, noone complained. I preorder mass effect collectors edition and get the From Ashes dlc and extra costumes. They also allowed players the option of buying the dlc without getting the collector's edition and theres a huge uproar about it. So what is it, is the issue time? Would you prefer them to release the content a few months later?? Would you prefer the content to remain collector's edition/ preorder exclusive? Is it the size of the content in question?

And for the record it's not only EA that does day one dlc. Just a few examples, The Witcher 2 had d1 dlc. Batman, Arkham City ahd d1 dlc, Sleeping Dogs had d1 dlc, Max Payne gave you the option of paying £20 for content that wasn't even out yet and wasn;t worth anything near £20. Also GTA V isn't even out.

edit: BTW I'm sorry if I sound too aggressive.

Modifié par Bail_Darilar, 28 novembre 2012 - 05:43 .

[ScarMK]

I'll just throw my two cents into the fountain.

Any in game content, that was already made before the game was released, should be included with the game, that includes day 1 DLC that's obviously been cut out to squeeze a few more coins outta people. DLC that is released a few weeks or months later is a different story.

[BellPeppers&Beef023]

Most likely in the form of a $60 season pass. whatever the hell that means.

[Heimdall]

ScarMK wrote...

I'll just throw my two cents into the fountain.

Any in game content, that was already made before the game was released, should be included with the game, that includes day 1 DLC that's obviously been cut out to squeeze a few more coins outta people. DLC that is released a few weeks or months later is a different story.

<_<

You do realize that the game content on the disk has to be finalized weeks if not months before the actual game is released, right?  Much of the DLC you claim should be on the disk at release is completed within that window.

Modifié par Lord Aesir, 28 novembre 2012 - 09:27 .

[Navasha]

I think Bioware/EA should get pro-active here. No Day 1 DLC, just include it in the actual game like everybody seems to want and then just add $10 to the price of the game.

Seemingly by removing the moniker of it being DLC and just making it a more expensive game will satisfy all these people against the idea of having a separate product. Of course, people will then complain about the price, but that happens anyway on every game.

[BonFire5]

If it's part of another Signature Edition I'll be fine with it. I'll be even better if it went to 7-10$.

[BonFire5]

Bail_Darilar wrote...

So tell me this what's the difference between day 1 dlc and preorder incentive? Or incentive to buy a collector's or limited edition? A friend of mine preordered the new Mortal Kombat game and got special skins for characters included a few months later they released the skins for everyone to get, noone complained. I preorder mass effect collectors edition and get the From Ashes dlc and extra costumes. They also allowed players the option of buying the dlc without getting the collector's edition and theres a huge uproar about it. So what is it, is the issue time? Would you prefer them to release the content a few months later?? Would you prefer the content to remain collector's edition/ preorder exclusive? Is it the size of the content in question?

And for the record it's not only EA that does day one dlc. Just a few examples, The Witcher 2 had d1 dlc. Batman, Arkham City ahd d1 dlc, Sleeping Dogs had d1 dlc, Max Payne gave you the option of paying £20 for content that wasn't even out yet and wasn;t worth anything near £20. Also GTA V isn't even out.

edit: BTW I'm sorry if I sound too aggressive.

Pre-order incentives are smaller. Most people don't care for the skins, but I am over the price it is, like how Capcom is charging 10$ for two characters in MvC3.

Which reminds me, I have no problem with CE's getting DLC (we paid for it), but it's when DLC in CE's aren't exclusive that it starts to bug me.  Not sure that sentence makes sense, I've only had 3-4 hours of sleep, but when I buy a CE of Black Ops 2 the exclusive maps should be exclusive, because they're charging you an arm and a leg for it. Meanwhile, "pre-order and receive the exclusives that the CE has, or buy this and receive another thing the CE has" is just f***ing mental.
Arkham City did the same thing, Iceberg Lounge and Dark Knight Returns skin. It says, early access. Stupid thing is, the DKR skin was also a pre-order bonus somewhere else. Then again, most people who buy the AC collector's edition are going for the albino Batman instead of whatever is inside (because what is inside is almost a complete waste of money, to me). Sorry, off track...

But I guess, if you are paying for a mission pack (and I having a feeling this might be counter intuitive to whatever I was rambling about up there), let it be a 1-2 month exclusive. Black Ops did that with the Hardened/Prestige editions in 2010. We received the old Zombies maps, and held the exclusive bit up until 10 months later, and it was fantastic! With ME3 or DAII it's: "Look what you could've got (technically) for free if you pre-ordered faster!" Then they insult you with the price tag.
DAII was nice with that, pre-orders got The Exiled Prince for free, but we had a wide window for that, and when it was released, 7$. The DLC doesn't add much but a half romancable character and a couple of decent missions, worth the price.  From Ashes takes a character that has a sort of decent sized impact on ME3's story, and he's out on day 1 at 10$. They couldn't even have the decency to make him part of the Online Pass (kind of like Catwoman for AC), which costs the same. That doubly screws over players that are late to the game and their parents buy used if they want a whole experience.

I'm sorry, maybe later on I'll make this jumbled mess sound somewhat logical, I'm tired, grumpy because of the tired, and I've come to realise how much I hate recent CE's: U3, B:AC, and ME3 almost seem like rip offs for what they're asking for. I guess I can add BOII to that list as well, but I have a new storage box and a very fun styrofoam helicopter to around. Sorry.

[FDrage]

Lord Aesir wrote...

ScarMK wrote...

I'll just throw my two cents into the fountain.

Any in game content, that was already made before the game was released, should be included with the game, that includes day 1 DLC that's obviously been cut out to squeeze a few more coins outta people. DLC that is released a few weeks or months later is a different story.

<_<

You do realize that the game content on the disk has to be finalized weeks if not months before the actual game is released, right?  Much of the DLC you claim should be on the disk at release is completed within that window.

Where did the person say "on disc" ... in-game can mean a lot, at least for me.  You could say "Zaeed" and "The Stone prisoner" .. both being free with a "new game" was 'in-game' even so it was day 1 DLC.

[ScotGaymer]

I was going to post saying "absolutely not" but then I remembered that what constitutes DLC can be quite varied and inoffensive to the consumer.

For example pretty much all of the day one DLC for Dragon Age Origins was inoffensive and completely okay with me.

None of it was story or gameplay integral, but all of it was fairly interesting and fun extras that were for most part entertaining.

Contrast that with say the disk-locked content that was released with several Capcom games recently, or in Mass Effect 3 with the Javik DLC.
They WERE offensive, and completely NOT okay.

The reason for the disk-locked day one DLC is obvious.

And for Javik, IMO as much as the devs deny it, he was integral to the plot. His whole arc is really very important for understanding (before Leviathan) the reapers and the cycles and thus exceedingly important to the setting.
Without him there is something very substantial, IMO, lost in the game.

And that to me wasn't okay for day one DLC.

EDIT:
Stone prisoner and Zaeed were not disk locked content. They were DLC. You actually had to download them to play them.

Modifié par FitScotGaymer, 29 novembre 2012 - 04:48 .

[HTTP 404]

If there were no day one dlc there will be human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together – mass hysteria.

Also I would assume I was living in a fringe alternate reality if there was no bioware day one dlc.

[BouncyFrag]

The ME2 Cerberus Pass was great. You just had to buy the game new to get it though I doubt we'll get that again. I'm hoping it isn't a significant companion ripped from the single player to make extra $$. That unfortunately has been Bioware's practice in recent games.

[HTTP 404]

BouncyFrag wrote...

The ME2 Cerberus Pass was great. You just had to buy the game new to get it though I doubt we'll get that again. I'm hoping it isn't a significant companion ripped from the single player to make extra $$. That unfortunately has been Bioware's practice in recent games.

I wouldn't blame bioware for this business model.

[BouncyFrag]

HTTP 404 wrote...

If there were no day one dlc there will be human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together – mass hysteria.

Also I would assume I was living in a fringe alternate reality if there was no bioware day one dlc.

[Sejborg]

BouncyFrag wrote...

The ME2 Cerberus Pass was great. You just had to buy the game new to get it though I doubt we'll get that again. I'm hoping it isn't a significant companion ripped from the single player to make extra $$. That unfortunately has been Bioware's practice in recent games.

Agreed.

[frankf43]

I wouldn't mind a day 1 dlc that allowed us to play as other races.

[AlanC9]

ScarMK wrote...

I'll just throw my two cents into the fountain.

Any in game content, that was already made before the game was released, should be included with the game, that includes day 1 DLC that's obviously been cut out to squeeze a few more coins outta people. DLC that is released a few weeks or months later is a different story.

Adopting this as a principle would give the game company some pretty bizarre incentives. "Quick, everyone, stop working on this DLC so we don't have to ship it for free with the game!"

[AlanC9]

Adopting this perspective would also produce bizarre incentives:

FitScotGaymer wrote...
Contrast that with say the disk-locked content that was released with several Capcom games recently, or in Mass Effect 3 with the Javik DLC.
They WERE offensive, and completely NOT okay.

The reason for the disk-locked day one DLC is obvious.

Any disk-locked DLC could be withheld from the disk. They could also lie to us about when they finished it (which Fast Jimmy seemed to be endorsing upthread). All this would do is waste everyone's time and bandwidth.

And for Javik, IMO as much as the devs deny it, he was integral to the plot. His whole arc is really very important for understanding (before Leviathan) the reapers and the cycles and thus exceedingly important to the setting.
Without him there is something very substantial, IMO, lost in the game.

I really don't see this. OTOH, I never bought FA, so all I know about Javik is his wiki entry and a couple YouTube videos. I've never heard from anyone who played ME3 without him and then played it with him.

Modifié par AlanC9, 29 novembre 2012 - 06:29 .

[Navasha]

In the end, all this boils down to a bunch of moaning and groaning over what? $10? Seriously, if the DLC adds several hours of playtime, a richer exerience, or a new character to interact its worth the money. What difference is it when it is released?

$10 bucks is little more than a lunch at any restaurant. Games have been relatively immune to inflation for most of my life. I paid $40 bucks for games back in the 80s when gasoline was 75 cents a gallon. Paying $60 bucks now, when the price of everything else in the world has risen 500% still seems a steal to me.