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[TazMonkey2011]

Like I said go back and revisit Matriarch Aethyta, "Liara's" "Father"

[Finlandiaprkl]

ntrisley wrote...

This thread is bad.

And OP should feel bad.

[sirus1988]

There are male genders among asari, just not male sex

[CmnDwnWrkn]

Volkai7 wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

Volkai7 wrote...

theillusiveman11 wrote...

Bioware brought Volus into MP. Why not male Asari? I think it's doable.

Volus already existed, it's just that they are often dismissed as a threat due to both their diminutive stature and their non-military-focused culture (attributable to their client relationship with the Turians.) However, there has never been anything that prevented a Volus from taking up arms in the same way that there's nothing preventing a sane and healthy real-life human from walking downtown wearing a swimsuit and practicing with an electric guitar that's not plugged in - no reason you can't but many reasons you probably won't.


Asari, on the other hand, are a mono-gendered species. Technically they aren't Female, even - but humans tend to arbitrarily assign genders to anything that doesn't have one, and we decided to call Asari female for obvious reasons. However, because Asari are actually genderless you can't have Asari Males as a second distinct gender. That would require them to have a first distinct gender to differentiate from, and they don't.


Your Volus/Asari justification is like saying that because we have now seen someone who was raised as a pacifist learn how to kill a man and enlist in the army as a sniper, there's no reason we shouldn't have winged flying gerbils.

There actually is something preventing the Volus from taking up arms and fighting - they're physically unable to do so.  Have you ever seen a Volus walk?  They waddle.  They tip over if you push them too hard.  But now they're running around the map like a world-class athlete, rolling and dodging.  It's literally impossible for them to do this, yet all of a sudden they have this capability.  A Male Asari actually is a reasonable comparison.

No. You are wrong. It is not literally impossible for Volus to run, roll, and dodge. We know this because we see them do it. We had not previously seen the capability be demonstrated, it's true.

Fact of the matter is that what is or is not possible in the Mass Effect universe is up to its authors - which currently means the Bioware dev team. What we know of what is or is not possible is limited to what has been stated by them, or has been stated in the setting.

It was never stated in the universe of Mass Effect or by the devs that Volus cannot fight. It was stated by the Volus Ambassador in Mass Effect 1 that they do not have a large military and that they rely on the Turians for military defense, having only a small military fleet - but that was specifically in regards to their method of governance and political status, not their physical capability.

On the other hand it has been explicitly stated that Asari do not have males and female genders. They do sometimes refer to the parents of Asari as 'mother' and 'father' - based on which parent carries the child* (meaning an Asari Father only exists where two Asari conceived a child together - an occurrance of increasing rarity) - but even in the case of an Asari being a Father, that Asari is still the same gender as the Mother.


* Interestingly, this allows for the otherwise rare case of any non-Asari female being titled 'Father' as well.

Such a silly argument.  If BioWare decided to put a male Asari in the game, it would be the exact same thing - Male Asari do exist because we've seen them.  It doesn't matter what's been presented to us in the past.  That's what you're saying about the Volus.  So the only real thing preventing male Asari from existing is whether BioWare chooses to add them to the game.

[Zero132132]

wirelesstkd wrote...

Honest question: what's the difference between "trolling" and "satirizing?" Honest attempt at an answer: the intelligence of the audience.

That's wrong, though. Trolling is an attempt to illicit anger and annoyance in your audience. Satire is an attempt to mock the subject itself, not just ****** off the audience.

Pretty sure the OP doesn't count as either, though. This is a joke, plain and simple.

Modifié par Zero132132, 28 novembre 2012 - 05:13 .

[LegacyOfTheAsh]

You people all just had your collective legs pulled.

[Learn To Love Yourself]

TommyNg wrote...

I suggest make a shemale asari first , one with both boobs and dick

Gives new meaning to "Asari Pole Dancing."

[Zero132132]

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

Volkai7 wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

Volkai7 wrote...

theillusiveman11 wrote...

Bioware brought Volus into MP. Why not male Asari? I think it's doable.

Volus already existed, it's just that they are often dismissed as a threat due to both their diminutive stature and their non-military-focused culture (attributable to their client relationship with the Turians.) However, there has never been anything that prevented a Volus from taking up arms in the same way that there's nothing preventing a sane and healthy real-life human from walking downtown wearing a swimsuit and practicing with an electric guitar that's not plugged in - no reason you can't but many reasons you probably won't.


Asari, on the other hand, are a mono-gendered species. Technically they aren't Female, even - but humans tend to arbitrarily assign genders to anything that doesn't have one, and we decided to call Asari female for obvious reasons. However, because Asari are actually genderless you can't have Asari Males as a second distinct gender. That would require them to have a first distinct gender to differentiate from, and they don't.


Your Volus/Asari justification is like saying that because we have now seen someone who was raised as a pacifist learn how to kill a man and enlist in the army as a sniper, there's no reason we shouldn't have winged flying gerbils.

There actually is something preventing the Volus from taking up arms and fighting - they're physically unable to do so.  Have you ever seen a Volus walk?  They waddle.  They tip over if you push them too hard.  But now they're running around the map like a world-class athlete, rolling and dodging.  It's literally impossible for them to do this, yet all of a sudden they have this capability.  A Male Asari actually is a reasonable comparison.

No. You are wrong. It is not literally impossible for Volus to run, roll, and dodge. We know this because we see them do it. We had not previously seen the capability be demonstrated, it's true.

Fact of the matter is that what is or is not possible in the Mass Effect universe is up to its authors - which currently means the Bioware dev team. What we know of what is or is not possible is limited to what has been stated by them, or has been stated in the setting.

It was never stated in the universe of Mass Effect or by the devs that Volus cannot fight. It was stated by the Volus Ambassador in Mass Effect 1 that they do not have a large military and that they rely on the Turians for military defense, having only a small military fleet - but that was specifically in regards to their method of governance and political status, not their physical capability.

On the other hand it has been explicitly stated that Asari do not have males and female genders. They do sometimes refer to the parents of Asari as 'mother' and 'father' - based on which parent carries the child* (meaning an Asari Father only exists where two Asari conceived a child together - an occurrance of increasing rarity) - but even in the case of an Asari being a Father, that Asari is still the same gender as the Mother.


* Interestingly, this allows for the otherwise rare case of any non-Asari female being titled 'Father' as well.

Such a silly argument.  If BioWare decided to put a male Asari in the game, it would be the exact same thing - Male Asari do exist because we've seen them.  It doesn't matter what's been presented to us in the past.  That's what you're saying about the Volus.  So the only real thing preventing male Asari from existing is whether BioWare chooses to add them to the game.

Here's the biggest difference; you're wrong about the lore of the game. The Volus largely rely on the Turians for ground forces, but codex entries imply that they have their own ground troops as well. There's nothing at all, anywhere in the series, to suggest that the Volus are immobile. They need suits because their atmosphere on Irune is way, way different than what other species are useful for.

Your notion of what Volus can and can't do is bull****. It's based on nothing but your own suppositions based on a lack of mobile Volus characters in anything before Retaliation. Get over your own butthurt enough to recognize that there's a difference between lore and what you personally have decided about a race.

[sirus1988]

Zero132132 wrote...

wirelesstkd wrote...

Honest question: what's the difference between "trolling" and "satirizing?" Honest attempt at an answer: the intelligence of the audience.

That's wrong, though. Trolling is an attempt to illicit anger and annoyance in your audience. Satire is an attempt to mock the subject itself, not just ****** off the audience.

Pretty sure the OP doesn't count as either, though. This is a joke, plain and simple.

I agree, I have seen him do this a couple times before..

[Charlie Bell]

Yuqi wrote...

TROLLOLOLOLOLOL

[vivanto]

You can't have male asari, however you can have something like this instead.

[CmnDwnWrkn]

Zero132132 wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

Volkai7 wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

Volkai7 wrote...

theillusiveman11 wrote...

Bioware brought Volus into MP. Why not male Asari? I think it's doable.

Volus already existed, it's just that they are often dismissed as a threat due to both their diminutive stature and their non-military-focused culture (attributable to their client relationship with the Turians.) However, there has never been anything that prevented a Volus from taking up arms in the same way that there's nothing preventing a sane and healthy real-life human from walking downtown wearing a swimsuit and practicing with an electric guitar that's not plugged in - no reason you can't but many reasons you probably won't.


Asari, on the other hand, are a mono-gendered species. Technically they aren't Female, even - but humans tend to arbitrarily assign genders to anything that doesn't have one, and we decided to call Asari female for obvious reasons. However, because Asari are actually genderless you can't have Asari Males as a second distinct gender. That would require them to have a first distinct gender to differentiate from, and they don't.


Your Volus/Asari justification is like saying that because we have now seen someone who was raised as a pacifist learn how to kill a man and enlist in the army as a sniper, there's no reason we shouldn't have winged flying gerbils.

There actually is something preventing the Volus from taking up arms and fighting - they're physically unable to do so.  Have you ever seen a Volus walk?  They waddle.  They tip over if you push them too hard.  But now they're running around the map like a world-class athlete, rolling and dodging.  It's literally impossible for them to do this, yet all of a sudden they have this capability.  A Male Asari actually is a reasonable comparison.

No. You are wrong. It is not literally impossible for Volus to run, roll, and dodge. We know this because we see them do it. We had not previously seen the capability be demonstrated, it's true.

Fact of the matter is that what is or is not possible in the Mass Effect universe is up to its authors - which currently means the Bioware dev team. What we know of what is or is not possible is limited to what has been stated by them, or has been stated in the setting.

It was never stated in the universe of Mass Effect or by the devs that Volus cannot fight. It was stated by the Volus Ambassador in Mass Effect 1 that they do not have a large military and that they rely on the Turians for military defense, having only a small military fleet - but that was specifically in regards to their method of governance and political status, not their physical capability.

On the other hand it has been explicitly stated that Asari do not have males and female genders. They do sometimes refer to the parents of Asari as 'mother' and 'father' - based on which parent carries the child* (meaning an Asari Father only exists where two Asari conceived a child together - an occurrance of increasing rarity) - but even in the case of an Asari being a Father, that Asari is still the same gender as the Mother.


* Interestingly, this allows for the otherwise rare case of any non-Asari female being titled 'Father' as well.

Such a silly argument.  If BioWare decided to put a male Asari in the game, it would be the exact same thing - Male Asari do exist because we've seen them.  It doesn't matter what's been presented to us in the past.  That's what you're saying about the Volus.  So the only real thing preventing male Asari from existing is whether BioWare chooses to add them to the game.

Here's the biggest difference; you're wrong about the lore of the game. The Volus largely rely on the Turians for ground forces, but codex entries imply that they have their own ground troops as well. There's nothing at all, anywhere in the series, to suggest that the Volus are immobile. They need suits because their atmosphere on Irune is way, way different than what other species are useful for.

Your notion of what Volus can and can't do is bull****. It's based on nothing but your own suppositions based on a lack of mobile Volus characters in anything before Retaliation. Get over your own butthurt enough to recognize that there's a difference between lore and what you personally have decided about a race.

LOL, so you think the fact that every single Volus that we've seen has less agility than a 5'2" 400lb man is meaningless.  There's this horde of nimble Volus engaged in special training on Irune ready to be unleashed on the world.  It couldn't possibly be that BioWare added the Volus as fan service.

Also, watch your tone little boy.

[Zero132132]

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

Zero132132 wrote...

Here's the biggest difference; you're wrong about the lore of the game. The Volus largely rely on the Turians for ground forces, but codex entries imply that they have their own ground troops as well. There's nothing at all, anywhere in the series, to suggest that the Volus are immobile. They need suits because their atmosphere on Irune is way, way different than what other species are useful for.

Your notion of what Volus can and can't do is bull****. It's based on nothing but your own suppositions based on a lack of mobile Volus characters in anything before Retaliation. Get over your own butthurt enough to recognize that there's a difference between lore and what you personally have decided about a race.

LOL, so you think the fact that every single Volus that we've seen has less agility than a 5'2" 400lb man is meaningless.  There's this horde of nimble Volus engaged in special training on Irune ready to be unleashed on the world.  It couldn't possibly be that BioWare added the Volus as fan service.

Also, watch your tone little boy.

You can't state anything at all about the agility of an Volus. The first time we see them running or walking (as opposed to sitting or standing) is in the MP. There's literally one frame of reference for the agility and mobility of the Volus, and you're claiming that it's lore-breaking.

You do realize how astoundingly stupid that is, right? It's like saying that because you've only seen a guy sitting before, he can't walk, and then screaming "BULL****!" when he runs.

[Pinoy GAT86]

nope

[TonySum41]

lol. difference is Volus exist. Male Asari don't.

[Dead_Rick_]

 People complained about the Volus breaking lore. But this actually breaks lore. Read the friggin codex. 

[wirelesstkd]

Zero132132 wrote...

wirelesstkd wrote...

Honest question: what's the difference between "trolling" and "satirizing?" Honest attempt at an answer: the intelligence of the audience.

That's wrong, though. Trolling is an attempt to illicit anger and annoyance in your audience. Satire is an attempt to mock the subject itself, not just ****** off the audience.

Pretty sure the OP doesn't count as either, though. This is a joke, plain and simple.

The poster is well known on the forums and clearly has a grasp of ME lore. I see this thread as a satire of the "we want Turian females!' and the "we want Protheans" threads that keep popping up. He's satirizing the community. My point was that satire isn't necessarily "trolling." He's just having some fun with the community he belongs to, but others misinterpret that and think he's trying to illicit anger.

[CmnDwnWrkn]

Zero132132 wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

Zero132132 wrote...

Here's the biggest difference; you're wrong about the lore of the game. The Volus largely rely on the Turians for ground forces, but codex entries imply that they have their own ground troops as well. There's nothing at all, anywhere in the series, to suggest that the Volus are immobile. They need suits because their atmosphere on Irune is way, way different than what other species are useful for.

Your notion of what Volus can and can't do is bull****. It's based on nothing but your own suppositions based on a lack of mobile Volus characters in anything before Retaliation. Get over your own butthurt enough to recognize that there's a difference between lore and what you personally have decided about a race.

LOL, so you think the fact that every single Volus that we've seen has less agility than a 5'2" 400lb man is meaningless.  There's this horde of nimble Volus engaged in special training on Irune ready to be unleashed on the world.  It couldn't possibly be that BioWare added the Volus as fan service.

Also, watch your tone little boy.

You can't state anything at all about the agility of an Volus. The first time we see them running or walking (as opposed to sitting or standing) is in the MP. There's literally one frame of reference for the agility and mobility of the Volus, and you're claiming that it's lore-breaking.

You do realize how astoundingly stupid that is, right? It's like saying that because you've only seen a guy sitting before, he can't walk, and then screaming "BULL****!" when he runs.

We saw them waddle quite a bit in ME2.  Niftu Cal literally tipped over when pushed slightly.  With this, combined with their physical attributes and the structure of their suits, one can safely assume these are not agile creatures.

[IllusiveManJr]

vivanto wrote...

You can't have male asari, however you can have something like this instead.
*SNIP*

That scared me because my first thought was Hilary Clinton. All desire for male Asari is gone. 

[Zero132132]

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

Zero132132 wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

Zero132132 wrote...

Here's the biggest difference; you're wrong about the lore of the game. The Volus largely rely on the Turians for ground forces, but codex entries imply that they have their own ground troops as well. There's nothing at all, anywhere in the series, to suggest that the Volus are immobile. They need suits because their atmosphere on Irune is way, way different than what other species are useful for.

Your notion of what Volus can and can't do is bull****. It's based on nothing but your own suppositions based on a lack of mobile Volus characters in anything before Retaliation. Get over your own butthurt enough to recognize that there's a difference between lore and what you personally have decided about a race.

LOL, so you think the fact that every single Volus that we've seen has less agility than a 5'2" 400lb man is meaningless.  There's this horde of nimble Volus engaged in special training on Irune ready to be unleashed on the world.  It couldn't possibly be that BioWare added the Volus as fan service.

Also, watch your tone little boy.

You can't state anything at all about the agility of an Volus. The first time we see them running or walking (as opposed to sitting or standing) is in the MP. There's literally one frame of reference for the agility and mobility of the Volus, and you're claiming that it's lore-breaking.

You do realize how astoundingly stupid that is, right? It's like saying that because you've only seen a guy sitting before, he can't walk, and then screaming "BULL****!" when he runs.

We saw them waddle quite a bit in ME2.  Niftu Cal literally tipped over when pushed slightly.  With this, combined with their physical attributes and the structure of their suits, one can safely assume these are not agile creatures.

Niftu Cal tipped when pushed slightly because he was high as ****. The entire point of pushing him over like that was to demonstrate to him that he was in no condition to fight. He didn't fall over because he was a Volus.

Regarding the waddling, WHEN? The only Volus I recall ever seeing that had actions beyond conversing is Niftu Cal, and as I said a second ago, he was high as ****.

Have you ever seen videos of people of Salvia? If I only had that to go off of, I still don't think I'd make stupid claims such as "Humans can't walk!"

[L. Han]

Quite disturbing the say the least. I guess anything is possible.

[XTR3M3]

other genders of characters like vorcha, turians, ect would be fine to have their other gender counterparts added. Asari have no other gender counterparts. Male asari? I just have one thing to say to that...."put down the crack pipe"

[JimmyBazooka]

You must have pushed your head seriously deep down your аss.

Modifié par JimmyBazooka, 28 novembre 2012 - 06:23 .

[TheThirdSpectre]

Nope. You just broke the lore...

'We can change that'.
So, they're just going to add Asari Males to the MP and not the SP?

They can't just say 'Hey Guys, here's you're New Character!'. There are no Asari Males in the Mass Effect Universe. Now tell me that they should add a Kai Leng as a character...