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[Zero132132]

Jiovanie- wrote...

Why not? They're monogendered; who is to say there aren't some who took a more manly approach to Asari life? I mean really enough with the all female race thing. It's really tasteless you know? Monogendered or not, the Asari are just there for satisfaction of the fanbase that's into women.

I wouldn't mind an Asari with a more man-like appearance equip with a beard.

They have surgeries for that, surely.

I really hope this discussion makes it into ME4. They brought Blasto to ME2 and 3 as a joke, so why not the Asari who wanted a sex change?

[CmnDwnWrkn]

Zero132132 wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

Zero132132 wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

Zero132132 wrote...

Here's the biggest difference; you're wrong about the lore of the game. The Volus largely rely on the Turians for ground forces, but codex entries imply that they have their own ground troops as well. There's nothing at all, anywhere in the series, to suggest that the Volus are immobile. They need suits because their atmosphere on Irune is way, way different than what other species are useful for.

Your notion of what Volus can and can't do is bull****. It's based on nothing but your own suppositions based on a lack of mobile Volus characters in anything before Retaliation. Get over your own butthurt enough to recognize that there's a difference between lore and what you personally have decided about a race.

LOL, so you think the fact that every single Volus that we've seen has less agility than a 5'2" 400lb man is meaningless.  There's this horde of nimble Volus engaged in special training on Irune ready to be unleashed on the world.  It couldn't possibly be that BioWare added the Volus as fan service.

Also, watch your tone little boy.

You can't state anything at all about the agility of an Volus. The first time we see them running or walking (as opposed to sitting or standing) is in the MP. There's literally one frame of reference for the agility and mobility of the Volus, and you're claiming that it's lore-breaking.

You do realize how astoundingly stupid that is, right? It's like saying that because you've only seen a guy sitting before, he can't walk, and then screaming "BULL****!" when he runs.

We saw them waddle quite a bit in ME2.  Niftu Cal literally tipped over when pushed slightly.  With this, combined with their physical attributes and the structure of their suits, one can safely assume these are not agile creatures.

Niftu Cal tipped when pushed slightly because he was high as ****. The entire point of pushing him over like that was to demonstrate to him that he was in no condition to fight. He didn't fall over because he was a Volus.

Regarding the waddling, WHEN? The only Volus I recall ever seeing that had actions beyond conversing is Niftu Cal, and as I said a second ago, he was high as ****.

Have you ever seen videos of people of Salvia? If I only had that to go off of, I still don't think I'd make stupid claims such as "Humans can't walk!"

If BioWare put an Elcor in the game that walked on 2 legs instead of 4, do you think this would be appropriate?  I don't think it says in the codex that Elcor only walk on 4 legs, after all?  What if they made this 2-legged Elcor the fastest character in the game?  Would this also be acceptable?

[Dream]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

BurningLiquor wrote...

TommyNg wrote...

I suggest make a shemale asari first , one with both boobs and dick

Disgusting. 

 

Nice to know people are so open-minded and non-judgmental about this stuff. BSN, classy as always.

Expecting maturity from people on BSN. Good one! 

Possibly a funnier joke than the OP's post.

[Zero132132]

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

Zero132132 wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

Zero132132 wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

Zero132132 wrote...

Here's the biggest difference; you're wrong about the lore of the game. The Volus largely rely on the Turians for ground forces, but codex entries imply that they have their own ground troops as well. There's nothing at all, anywhere in the series, to suggest that the Volus are immobile. They need suits because their atmosphere on Irune is way, way different than what other species are useful for.

Your notion of what Volus can and can't do is bull****. It's based on nothing but your own suppositions based on a lack of mobile Volus characters in anything before Retaliation. Get over your own butthurt enough to recognize that there's a difference between lore and what you personally have decided about a race.

LOL, so you think the fact that every single Volus that we've seen has less agility than a 5'2" 400lb man is meaningless.  There's this horde of nimble Volus engaged in special training on Irune ready to be unleashed on the world.  It couldn't possibly be that BioWare added the Volus as fan service.

Also, watch your tone little boy.

You can't state anything at all about the agility of an Volus. The first time we see them running or walking (as opposed to sitting or standing) is in the MP. There's literally one frame of reference for the agility and mobility of the Volus, and you're claiming that it's lore-breaking.

You do realize how astoundingly stupid that is, right? It's like saying that because you've only seen a guy sitting before, he can't walk, and then screaming "BULL****!" when he runs.

We saw them waddle quite a bit in ME2.  Niftu Cal literally tipped over when pushed slightly.  With this, combined with their physical attributes and the structure of their suits, one can safely assume these are not agile creatures.

Niftu Cal tipped when pushed slightly because he was high as ****. The entire point of pushing him over like that was to demonstrate to him that he was in no condition to fight. He didn't fall over because he was a Volus.

Regarding the waddling, WHEN? The only Volus I recall ever seeing that had actions beyond conversing is Niftu Cal, and as I said a second ago, he was high as ****.

Have you ever seen videos of people of Salvia? If I only had that to go off of, I still don't think I'd make stupid claims such as "Humans can't walk!"

If BioWare put an Elcor in the game that walked on 2 legs instead of 4, do you think this would be appropriate?  I don't think it says in the codex that Elcor only walk on 4 legs, after all?  What if they made this 2-legged Elcor the fastest character in the game?  Would this also be acceptable?

Codex entry on the Elcor:
"The elcor are a Citadel species native to the high-gravity world Dekuuna. They are massive creatures, standing on four muscular legs for increased stability. Elcor move slowly, an evolved response to an environment where a fall can be lethal. This has colored their psychology, making them deliberate and conservative."

So no. They would be actively going against what the codex entries state, because despite what you think, the codex does actually describe them as having four legs and moving slowly. It isn't a supposition based on a few characters that they move slowly and have 4 legs.

[CmnDwnWrkn]

^^^Okay, so that was a bad example.

Would you be opposed to Keepers being added, walking on two legs and speaking English?  What about Varren?

Modifié par CmnDwnWrkn, 28 novembre 2012 - 07:34 .

[UWxMaserati]

I would accept Protheans in MP before male Asari anywhere. How do you start giving sexes to a race that has been established as mono-gender for 3 games.

[CmnDwnWrkn]

UWxMaserati wrote...

I would accept Protheans in MP before male Asari anywhere. How do you start giving sexes to a race that has been established as mono-gender for 3 games.

The same way you turn a race of slow, cowardly, obese midgets into brave, nimble warriors.

[Zero132132]

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

^^^Okay, so that was a bad example.

Would you be opposed to Keepers being added, walking on two legs and speaking English?  What about Varren?

The keepers are established as having questionable sapience. They do intelligent things like build and repair stuff, but their entire purpose is clearly to maintain the citadel. The codex explains that all early attempts at communication ended in failure, so speaking at all, in any sort of language, would be very uncharacteristic.

Why bring up the Varren? They're clearly depicted as animals. If they turned out not to be, it'd be kind of like if it turned out that dogs also spoke english like in one of those Disney movies. What about pyjacks or thresher maws?

In your mind, is the jump from 'mindless beast' to 'sapient species capable of communication' the same as the jump from 'never seen a Volus run' to 'Volus can run'?

[ValorOfArms777]

greghorvath wrote...

facepalm

Face Pan

[Hurkaleez]

Olopi wrote...

Nope, there are no Male Asari, they're monogendered.....

[UWxMaserati]

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

UWxMaserati wrote...

I would accept Protheans in MP before male Asari anywhere. How do you start giving sexes to a race that has been established as mono-gender for 3 games.

The same way you turn a race of slow, cowardly, obese midgets into brave, nimble warriors.

I don't see how it is comparable. Making a typically corwardly race a support class on the battlefield is much different then completely rewriting the entire genetics and history of one of the most signifigant races in the game. Not that I support what they did with the Volus but it's far less of a stretch.

[Striker93175]

Sure OP! While we're at it lets add the Drelsari - the hybrid species of Drell and Asari and give them 4x the biotic power. How about the Gethurian... Quarian with Geth bio-suits. Give them 4x the tech power. Then we can add some Volcor... a breeding of volus and elcor creating a a fat rolley mammoth of a character that we can ride into battle... ooOooOOoo and then there is the Batariansalarian which looks like a multiple eyes jabba the hut that is both crazy smart and crazy strong and they carry both a claymore and a jav and still have 200% cooldowns...

Seriously....

Make it happen Bioware!

PS. Elcorgan. Jellyfish Krogan... They float AND beat things with whips and look like turtles and carry 18 guns, 1 in each tenticle.

Modifié par Striker93175, 28 novembre 2012 - 08:10 .

[CmnDwnWrkn]

Zero132132 wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

^^^Okay, so that was a bad example.

Would you be opposed to Keepers being added, walking on two legs and speaking English?  What about Varren?

The keepers are established as having questionable sapience. They do intelligent things like build and repair stuff, but their entire purpose is clearly to maintain the citadel. The codex explains that all early attempts at communication ended in failure, so speaking at all, in any sort of language, would be very uncharacteristic.

Why bring up the Varren? They're clearly depicted as animals. If they turned out not to be, it'd be kind of like if it turned out that dogs also spoke english like in one of those Disney movies. What about pyjacks or thresher maws?

In your mind, is the jump from 'mindless beast' to 'sapient species capable of communication' the same as the jump from 'never seen a Volus run' to 'Volus can run'?

No, I'm responding to your original assertion that it's unreasonable to draw conclusions about a race of characters unless explicitly stated verbally or in the codex.

But now you're drawing conclusions about Varren and Keepers based on how they've been presented in the game, even though your assumptions have never been stated outright.

You're applying a double standard here.  It doesn't matter so much "what" the capability is - running, talking, etc. - if a being is incapable of some action, then they are incapable of that action.

[Zero132132]

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

Zero132132 wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

^^^Okay, so that was a bad example.

Would you be opposed to Keepers being added, walking on two legs and speaking English?  What about Varren?

The keepers are established as having questionable sapience. They do intelligent things like build and repair stuff, but their entire purpose is clearly to maintain the citadel. The codex explains that all early attempts at communication ended in failure, so speaking at all, in any sort of language, would be very uncharacteristic.

Why bring up the Varren? They're clearly depicted as animals. If they turned out not to be, it'd be kind of like if it turned out that dogs also spoke english like in one of those Disney movies. What about pyjacks or thresher maws?

In your mind, is the jump from 'mindless beast' to 'sapient species capable of communication' the same as the jump from 'never seen a Volus run' to 'Volus can run'?

No, I'm responding to your original assertion that it's unreasonable to draw conclusions about a race of characters unless explicitly stated verbally or in the codex.

But now you're drawing conclusions about Varren and Keepers based on how they've been presented in the game, even though your assumptions have never been stated outright.

You're applying a double standard here.  It doesn't matter so much "what" the capability is - running, talking, etc. - if a being is incapable of some action, then they are incapable of that action.

No, with the Keepers, it is directly stated that all attempts to communicate have failed. If they started communicating, it would actually be a very interesting plot development. I wouldn't really consider it a lore issue, but it would require explanation.

As for Varren, that's a completely separate issue. They're animals. Just like thresher maws, pyjacks, and shifty space cows.

In both cases, though, it's genuinely a characteristic. There's nothing actually in the game to indicate that all Volus are unable to walk or whatever bull**** you've convinced yourself of. Nothing pins them as being particularly immobile, because the only time you see one moving around at all, he's high as ****. Every other time, they're basically standing still, usually a character to talk to.

Actually, **** that. Volus ARE mobile. How the hell did Han Olar outrun Rachni? Your notion of Volus being slow is against previous evidence as well as stuff introduced in Retaliation. You made up a set of characteristics in your mind, and when Bioware did something to contradict that assumption, instead of dropping it like a sane person, you got mad at Bioware.

[CmnDwnWrkn]

Zero132132 wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

Zero132132 wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

^^^Okay, so that was a bad example.

Would you be opposed to Keepers being added, walking on two legs and speaking English?  What about Varren?

The keepers are established as having questionable sapience. They do intelligent things like build and repair stuff, but their entire purpose is clearly to maintain the citadel. The codex explains that all early attempts at communication ended in failure, so speaking at all, in any sort of language, would be very uncharacteristic.

Why bring up the Varren? They're clearly depicted as animals. If they turned out not to be, it'd be kind of like if it turned out that dogs also spoke english like in one of those Disney movies. What about pyjacks or thresher maws?

In your mind, is the jump from 'mindless beast' to 'sapient species capable of communication' the same as the jump from 'never seen a Volus run' to 'Volus can run'?

No, I'm responding to your original assertion that it's unreasonable to draw conclusions about a race of characters unless explicitly stated verbally or in the codex.

But now you're drawing conclusions about Varren and Keepers based on how they've been presented in the game, even though your assumptions have never been stated outright.

You're applying a double standard here.  It doesn't matter so much "what" the capability is - running, talking, etc. - if a being is incapable of some action, then they are incapable of that action.

No, with the Keepers, it is directly stated that all attempts to communicate have failed. If they started communicating, it would actually be a very interesting plot development. I wouldn't really consider it a lore issue, but it would require explanation.

As for Varren, that's a completely separate issue. They're animals. Just like thresher maws, pyjacks, and shifty space cows.

In both cases, though, it's genuinely a characteristic. There's nothing actually in the game to indicate that all Volus are unable to walk or whatever bull**** you've convinced yourself of. Nothing pins them as being particularly immobile, because the only time you see one moving around at all, he's high as ****. Every other time, they're basically standing still, usually a character to talk to.

Actually, **** that. Volus ARE mobile. How the hell did Han Olar outrun Rachni? Your notion of Volus being slow is against previous evidence as well as stuff introduced in Retaliation. You made up a set of characteristics in your mind, and when Bioware did something to contradict that assumption, instead of dropping it like a sane person, you got mad at Bioware.

I think you're getting it confused who is actually mad here.  Ask yourself whose posts are filled with expletives? You are the one who got all bent out of shape simply because I suggested that adding Volus to multiplayer was silly and contradictory.  It seems you love the Volus a little too much if you're getting this emotional in defending their presence.

[mybudgee]

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[Zero132132]

@CmnDwnWrkn
I curse a lot. Doesn't mean a **** of a lot, trust me. Actually kind of grateful for the site's censoring, because without it, they might have kicked me the **** out by now. It's happened elsewhere.

So can I take your lack of response to the Han Olar bit as a concession that I'm right?

Modifié par Zero132132, 28 novembre 2012 - 10:50 .

[DarklighterFreak]

Yuqi wrote...

[Happy Shepard]

Wow. You actually started to argue about this?

inb4femalegeth

[DirtySHISN0]

Male Asari.

No.

[Hexi-decimal]

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

Zero132132 wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

Zero132132 wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

^^^Okay, so that was a bad example.

Would you be opposed to Keepers being added, walking on two legs and speaking English?  What about Varren?

The keepers are established as having questionable sapience. They do intelligent things like build and repair stuff, but their entire purpose is clearly to maintain the citadel. The codex explains that all early attempts at communication ended in failure, so speaking at all, in any sort of language, would be very uncharacteristic.

Why bring up the Varren? They're clearly depicted as animals. If they turned out not to be, it'd be kind of like if it turned out that dogs also spoke english like in one of those Disney movies. What about pyjacks or thresher maws?

In your mind, is the jump from 'mindless beast' to 'sapient species capable of communication' the same as the jump from 'never seen a Volus run' to 'Volus can run'?

No, I'm responding to your original assertion that it's unreasonable to draw conclusions about a race of characters unless explicitly stated verbally or in the codex.

But now you're drawing conclusions about Varren and Keepers based on how they've been presented in the game, even though your assumptions have never been stated outright.

You're applying a double standard here.  It doesn't matter so much "what" the capability is - running, talking, etc. - if a being is incapable of some action, then they are incapable of that action.

No, with the Keepers, it is directly stated that all attempts to communicate have failed. If they started communicating, it would actually be a very interesting plot development. I wouldn't really consider it a lore issue, but it would require explanation.

As for Varren, that's a completely separate issue. They're animals. Just like thresher maws, pyjacks, and shifty space cows.

In both cases, though, it's genuinely a characteristic. There's nothing actually in the game to indicate that all Volus are unable to walk or whatever bull**** you've convinced yourself of. Nothing pins them as being particularly immobile, because the only time you see one moving around at all, he's high as ****. Every other time, they're basically standing still, usually a character to talk to.

Actually, **** that. Volus ARE mobile. How the hell did Han Olar outrun Rachni? Your notion of Volus being slow is against previous evidence as well as stuff introduced in Retaliation. You made up a set of characteristics in your mind, and when Bioware did something to contradict that assumption, instead of dropping it like a sane person, you got mad at Bioware.

I think you're getting it confused who is actually mad here.  Ask yourself whose posts are filled with expletives? You are the one who got all bent out of shape simply because I suggested that adding Volus to multiplayer was silly and contradictory.  It seems you love the Volus a little too much if you're getting this emotional in defending their presence.

Either that or people who make asinine assumptions based on no evidence directly stated or otherwise annoys him.  I am going with number two here.

Expletives that aren't aimed at you but used in a descrptionatory manor are hardly a basis for deciding whose the angrier party.  In reality whose angerier doesn't matter all that much.  You made a your statement, he called you on it and neither are willing to give any ground on it.

But considering the evidence brought to back up the points here and the argument structure, he wins.  I am convinced that lore wise, the volus are not contradictory, though I think still a bit silly.

[LegacyOfTheAsh]

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

Zero132132 wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

Zero132132 wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

^^^Okay, so that was a bad example.

Would you be opposed to Keepers being added, walking on two legs and speaking English?  What about Varren?

The keepers are established as having questionable sapience. They do intelligent things like build and repair stuff, but their entire purpose is clearly to maintain the citadel. The codex explains that all early attempts at communication ended in failure, so speaking at all, in any sort of language, would be very uncharacteristic.

Why bring up the Varren? They're clearly depicted as animals. If they turned out not to be, it'd be kind of like if it turned out that dogs also spoke english like in one of those Disney movies. What about pyjacks or thresher maws?

In your mind, is the jump from 'mindless beast' to 'sapient species capable of communication' the same as the jump from 'never seen a Volus run' to 'Volus can run'?

No, I'm responding to your original assertion that it's unreasonable to draw conclusions about a race of characters unless explicitly stated verbally or in the codex.

But now you're drawing conclusions about Varren and Keepers based on how they've been presented in the game, even though your assumptions have never been stated outright.

You're applying a double standard here.  It doesn't matter so much "what" the capability is - running, talking, etc. - if a being is incapable of some action, then they are incapable of that action.

No, with the Keepers, it is directly stated that all attempts to communicate have failed. If they started communicating, it would actually be a very interesting plot development. I wouldn't really consider it a lore issue, but it would require explanation.

As for Varren, that's a completely separate issue. They're animals. Just like thresher maws, pyjacks, and shifty space cows.

In both cases, though, it's genuinely a characteristic. There's nothing actually in the game to indicate that all Volus are unable to walk or whatever bull**** you've convinced yourself of. Nothing pins them as being particularly immobile, because the only time you see one moving around at all, he's high as ****. Every other time, they're basically standing still, usually a character to talk to.

Actually, **** that. Volus ARE mobile. How the hell did Han Olar outrun Rachni? Your notion of Volus being slow is against previous evidence as well as stuff introduced in Retaliation. You made up a set of characteristics in your mind, and when Bioware did something to contradict that assumption, instead of dropping it like a sane person, you got mad at Bioware.

I think you're getting it confused who is actually mad here.  Ask yourself whose posts are filled with expletives? You are the one who got all bent out of shape simply because I suggested that adding Volus to multiplayer was silly and contradictory.  It seems you love the Volus a little too much if you're getting this emotional in defending their presence.

Han Olar didn't outrun the rachni that pursued him. They were busy slaughtering his colleague while he shut a door in her face. Just thought I'd throw that in.

[Nissun]

Can you guys imagine if Asari had been an all-male race from the beginning? Just think about it: wherever you go, just scantily clad dudes everywhere. You walk into Chora's Den, and are greeted by a bunch of babes that look like this:



Just imagine the whole trilogy, the whole mass effect universe, with the Asari just like they are. With their casually treated but repeatedly underlined comfort with sexuality. But with abs instead of boobs.

And a disproportionate amount of them flirting with either-gender Shepard.

Just think about it.

[Homey C-Dawg]

Asari males? Did you play any of the ME games? There aren't any asari males, and no we can't change that.

I do hope this already Bioware-rejected idea of "lore is completely irreverent" stops at some point.