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[Steelcan]

King Ptolemy IV wrote...

The Geth were willing to join the reapers to ensure their survival on Rannock. I think the geth might have instantly switched sides over Earth if they heard Shepherd even considered it. They would propose synthesis since that is something the strived for.

. Their opinion is irrelevant 

[llandwynwyn]

I think EDI would but, knowing about the other options, not the Geth.

Modifié par llandwynwyn, 28 novembre 2012 - 07:01 .

[Falcon084]

Yes. Although they'd be pissed to learn there were two other viable optionns.

[FeralEwok]

EDI would and she has said as much.

The Geth would not and their actions have indicated as much.

Despite who did what first and to who in the Quarian/Geth conflict the Geth (that said they wanted peace with the creators) decided, instead of retreating from Rannoch, to side with the Reapers to survive. Forget about just the Quarians, that would effect the entire galaxy. They chose themselves over the rest of the galactic community.

If they were told that the other options included control or synthesis, they'd try to stop Shepard (kill them if necessary) to ensure their survival.

[LilLino]

Steelcan wrote...

King Ptolemy IV wrote...

The Geth were willing to join the reapers to ensure their survival on Rannock. I think the geth might have instantly switched sides over Earth if they heard Shepherd even considered it. They would propose synthesis since that is something the strived for.

. Their opinion is irrelevant 

Too many people forget that Geth sided with the Reapers for their own arrogant reasons. Therycare about themselves more than about the whole galaxy, can't really blame them....but they are people here who act as the Geth are saints.

They are not, they our allies, but if they had to die alongside the greatest threat of our existence, then so be it. Out of all races in the Milky Way they & Quarians would be least missed by me. Their conflict is just silly and stupid.

[Sundance31us]

Can't speak for the Geth, but EDI makes it clear that she would.

[saintjimmy43]

what about all the quarians with cybernetics?

change the ending, plz.

[Silcron]

EDI says yes.
If the geth say no just hack them to say yes. (they were hacked to be with the reapers, you can hack one temporarly to shoot other geth, it's just that easy)

[Conniving_Eagle]

They would advocvate Synthesis or Control instead.

[justafan]

saintjimmy43 wrote...

what about all the quarians with cybernetics?

change the ending, plz.

Hey, if Shep can live, they certainly can.  They even get a slide in the EC showing they made it out fine.

Not to mention there is (presumably) no reaper tech in their implants.

[dirty console peasant]

Edi, definitely she even specifically states that she is willing to sacrifice herself if it is necessary.
Geth, probably not, but I don't think they would like the other choices either (maybe control but still)
Virtual Aliens, insufficient data.

Modifié par Shepard Cmdr, 28 novembre 2012 - 08:08 .

[Pottumuusi]

grey_wind wrote...

Shepard: Admiral, I have just met the self-proclaimed leader of the Reapers. He looks like a boy from my dreams, but that's totally not suspicious.

Hackett: Erm, what?

Shepard: He claims destroying the Reapers will also kill EDI and the Geth, but tells me there are two other ways of stopping the Reapers. We can either control them exactly like The Illusive Man claimed, or I can jump into a magic beam and spread my essence to every living being in the galaxy and create a techno-organic utopia where we live peacefully side by side with the Reapers. All three options require me to die. Can I get EDI and the Geth on the line for their opinion?

Seems legit to me.

[4stringwizard]

The same Geth who allied themselves with the Reapers when backed into a corner? The same Geth who try to kill Shepard when he/she refuses to allow them to upload the code?

Edi, probably. But the Geth, I seriously doubt it.

[HK-90210]

FeralEwok wrote...
Despite who did what first and to who in the Quarian/Geth conflict the Geth (that said they wanted peace with the creators) decided, instead of retreating from Rannoch, to side with the Reapers to survive. Forget about just the Quarians, that would effect the entire galaxy. They chose themselves over the rest of the galactic community.

If they were told that the other options included control or synthesis, they'd try to stop Shepard (kill them if necessary) to ensure their survival.

King Ptolemy IV wrote...

The Geth were willing to join the reapers to ensure their survival on Rannock. I think the geth might have instantly switched sides over Earth if they heard Shepherd even considered it. They would propose synthesis since that is something the strived for.

I disagree with the idea that the geth would go turncoat for several reasons. 

One, when they sided with the Reapers, the Quarians had just bombed what amounted to basically their capital city, as far as where their programs were stored. They lost a great deal of themselves, so beyond the shock from such an event, they lost a great deal of their collective intelligence and perspective. So they made that decision without a full deck.

Two, if the Geth are still around by the ending, they are no longer as they once were. They are individuals in a much greater sense. Yes, they still have a collective mind. But it is both far diffferent, and weaker in some ways due to the Reaper upgrades that Legion sacrifices himself to upload. So when confronted with the question of Destroy, Control or Synthesis, they would not be making the choice with the same perspective of process as before. and regardless, it's pretty clear they reject the Reapers absolutely. They would not turncoat and help them, sicne they would know that once the Reapers won, they would be destroyed all the same.

Three, Legion said back in ME2 that the Geth wanted to build their own future. He even admires Shepard if he/she blew up the Collector Base, saying 'You may have more in common with us than we thought.' I think this shows that they would reject Control or Synthesis on at least some level. They might like parts of them, but they would also dislike other parts.

In the end, I think the geth would have prefered not to die, but would accept that regardeless of thier desire for self-preservation, it's Shepard's decision. Using Legion's words, "Some of our programs would favor destruction, others rewrite. Shepard-Commander, you have perspective we lack. The Geth grant their fate to you."

As for EDI, whe says point-blank that she's willing to die for Jeff. And if the destruction of the Reapers means that she dies, then she would accept it. Would she have prefered Synthesis or Control? Maybe, depending on how your Shepard shaped her opinions on organics vs. synthetics.

IMO, with the way that synthetics work in the Mass Effect universe, they would have divided opinions on the matter, but would know that Shepard is the one making the decision, and there isn't anything they can do to change that.

Modifié par CastonFolarus, 28 novembre 2012 - 09:15 .

[DarthAwesome]

All the "EDI would've understood" arguments seem to assume destroying synthetics is the only way of stopping the reapers, which is not the case. Neither the Geth nor EDI would've approved of destroying synthetics when there are so obviously superior choices.

[cyrexwingblade]

I would like to see their reactions to the three-option choice, in fact. I think Edi would be willing to die for the cause, yes, but if there were other options? Edi's the one who says "Commander!" if you side with the Rachni Queen and brought Edi along, aghast at your choice to abandon the Krogan squad.

The Geth I can see going either way.

[Zardoc]

Falcon084 wrote...

Yes. Although they'd be pissed to learn there were two other viable optionns.

If you see Refuse as a viable alternative, sure. Not sure where you get 2 though.

DarthAwesome wrote...

All the "EDI would've understood" arguments seem to assume destroying synthetics is the only way of stopping the reapers, which is not the case. Neither the Geth nor EDI would've approved of destroying synthetics when there are so obviously superior choices.

How is Refuse superior?

Modifié par Zardoc, 28 novembre 2012 - 09:29 .

[LPPrince]

EDI would, the Geth wouldn't.

[LPPrince]

Kawamura wrote...

To tell the truth, in my mind, with a high EMS they get hurt, but I doubt they're dead. The Starkid makes a reference to Shep being part synthetic, therefore Shep should worry about being killed (his synthetic parts are like, on important things. Like her heart and the parts of his CNS responsible for BREATHING), but she can live.

So, I guess what I'm saying is speculation for everyone!

You get a speculation, and you get a speculation, and I want to punch myself in the face! 8D

No, they're dead. I actually just completed a high EMS playthrough like 5 minutes ago picking Destroy.

You'll see EDI's name up on the Memorial Wall. You'd think they'd know if she lived or died since she was on the ship when the Normandy was enveloped by the synthetic-destruction beam.

If she went down, so did the Geth. Sad stuff, but if thats what it takes to keep Shepard alive, I'll do it every time.

Though I do miss her. All the way back to EDI as the rogue VI in ME1 on the Luna base.

*salute*

[CroGamer002]

Considering Legion tries to kill Shepard, if he/she decides to side with quarians, I think geth would say a big no on their sacrifice.

[HiddenInWar]

saintjimmy43 wrote...

what about all the quarians with cybernetics?

change the ending, plz.

no u

[DarthAwesome]

Zardoc wrote...

DarthAwesome wrote...

All the "EDI would've understood" arguments seem to assume destroying synthetics is the only way of stopping the reapers, which is not the case. Neither the Geth nor EDI would've approved of destroying synthetics when there are so obviously superior choices.

How is Refuse superior?

Refuse isn't, but Control and Synthesis are.

[HiddenInWar]

DarthAwesome wrote...

Zardoc wrote...

DarthAwesome wrote...

All the "EDI would've understood" arguments seem to assume destroying synthetics is the only way of stopping the reapers, which is not the case. Neither the Geth nor EDI would've approved of destroying synthetics when there are so obviously superior choices.

How is Refuse superior?

Refuse isn't, but Control and Synthesis are.

Refuse isn't even close to superior. 

[Legbiter]

EDI, without hesitation. The geth, no.