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[DarthAwesome]

HiddenInWar wrote...

DarthAwesome wrote...

Zardoc wrote...

DarthAwesome wrote...

All the "EDI would've understood" arguments seem to assume destroying synthetics is the only way of stopping the reapers, which is not the case. Neither the Geth nor EDI would've approved of destroying synthetics when there are so obviously superior choices.

How is Refuse superior?

Refuse isn't, but Control and Synthesis are.

Refuse isn't even close to superior. 

Refuse isn't, but Control and Synthesis are.

[Sable Rhapsody]

HiddenInWar wrote...

Refuse isn't even close to superior. 

But MEHEM is! 

In all seriousness, I think EDI would've understood given her character development in ME3.  The non-heretic geth as portrayed in ME2 also seemed like they would've been more along the lines of destroying the Reapers and forging their own path rather than using Reaper technology.  Desperation (and literally a fair amount of stupidity) drove them in ME3 to accept Reaper help.  At that point I think they're probably a coin toss for whether they'd be willing to die to destroy the Reapers for good.

[Eterna]

The Geth sided with the reapers when the Quarians tried to Destroy them, why wouldn't they when Shepard does the same thing?

[KingZayd]

EDI would be up for destroy.
The Geth would sacrifice organics to destroy the Reapers.

[HiddenInWar]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

HiddenInWar wrote...

Refuse isn't even close to superior. 

But MEHEM is! 

In all seriousness, I think EDI would've understood given her character development in ME3.  The non-heretic geth as portrayed in ME2 also seemed like they would've been more along the lines of destroying the Reapers and forging their own path rather than using Reaper technology.  Desperation (and literally a fair amount of stupidity) drove them in ME3 to accept Reaper help.  At that point I think they're probably a coin toss for whether they'd be willing to die to destroy the Reapers for good.

I count MEHEM as canon, haters gonna hate 

[thehomeworld]

That's an easy answer both of them told you that answer in game:

EDI was willing to be unfunctional in order to save Joker and the crew she accoplishes this in destroy

The geth where willing to be non fuctional for the creators they accomplish this in destroy.

In case people still can't figure it out non fuction and infuctional means death for robots. Destroy took them up on their offer.

In the original ending of dark matter humanity wouldn't have been given the courtesy of a poll like the geth and EDI had been you just would've said as shep, " Sure thing smoothifiy all of humaity to save the galaxy" a call which shep would not be qualified to make.

Modifié par thehomeworld, 28 novembre 2012 - 11:02 .

[Samtheman63]

yep EDI said it herself

[StayFrosty05]

S.A.K wrote...

Edi would totally understand. But the Geth? I don't think so. They are selfish pricks!

Define please....your comment makes no sense.

[Auintus]

EDI maybe, but remember that Legion is willing to kill Shepard to secure a future for the geth. As in, kill the only person who has a chance to defeat the Reapers, to make sure the geth aren't killed by the quarians. I don't think they'd go for it, not when other options are available.

[Reorte]

Auintus wrote...

EDI maybe, but remember that Legion is willing to kill Shepard to secure a future for the geth. As in, kill the only person who has a chance to defeat the Reapers, to make sure the geth aren't killed by the quarians. I don't think they'd go for it, not when other options are available.

It isn't quite the same situation. On Rannoch it's a them or the quarians situation, so they might view that as 50 - 50 and it's damned well going to be them that lives. Faced with the destruction of the Reapers the calculations change. I suspect that they'd still not be all that happy with it but I can't be sure.

Like a lot of other posters I agree that EDI would accept it.

[Bill Casey]

DarthAwesome wrote...

Zardoc wrote...

DarthAwesome wrote...

All the "EDI would've understood" arguments seem to assume destroying synthetics is the only way of stopping the reapers, which is not the case. Neither the Geth nor EDI would've approved of destroying synthetics when there are so obviously superior choices.

How is Refuse superior?

Refuse isn't, but Control and Synthesis are.

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[mjh417]

Legion I know would have understood, but he already sacrificed himself.... for the purpose of evolving the Geth. In genreal I think the Geth would have wanted to live, but I think they'd be more fearful of control and synthesis, the first cause it give Shepard control over them, the second because it is basically the path the Reapers and Saren already presented them, and that only the Heretics didn't denny. So yes, the Geth ultimately I think may have rather died than go against their own past reasoning.

EDI I have no doubt would understand.

[Auintus]

Reorte wrote...

It isn't quite the same situation. On Rannoch it's a them or the quarians situation, so they might view that as 50 - 50 and it's damned well going to be them that lives. Faced with the destruction of the Reapers the calculations change. I suspect that they'd still not be all that happy with it but I can't be sure.

Like a lot of other posters I agree that EDI would accept it.

True. "Geth or Quarians" is a lot different than "Geth vs all advanced races in the galaxy and Hey! the geth are gonna be harvested in the end too."  Though the fact that there were other choices remains.

[masster blaster]

EDI: If the Normandy were captured, my fate would be similar to the indoctrinated. My code would be rewritten. I would become loyal to the Reapers. I would rather become non-functional than help them.
Shepard: We won't let that happen to you, EDI.
EDI: You may have no choice. If you perish first, I want you to know I will never be a part of the Reaper forces. The Reapers must be defeated. Not because they threaten death, but because the threat of death makes us die inside. It is the right of sapient s to live freely and securely. That is worth non-functionality.

[masster blaster]

Bill Casey wrote...

DarthAwesome wrote...

Zardoc wrote...

DarthAwesome wrote...

All the "EDI would've understood" arguments seem to assume destroying synthetics is the only way of stopping the reapers, which is not the case. Neither the Geth nor EDI would've approved of destroying synthetics when there are so obviously superior choices.

How is Refuse superior?

Refuse isn't, but Control and Synthesis are.

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Shepard: After everything he's done, the Illusive Man can't pretend he's fighting for humanity. Anyone who isn't indoctrinated has to see that by now.

[LanceSolous13]

EDI outright says she would but I don't understand why and I doubt she would either.

The Geth probably wouldn't understand nor would they be interested in doing so after just created peace with the Quarians.

[ZerebusPrime]

I think that EDI would be willing to sacrifice herself to destroy the Reapers. Given the choice, she'd probably send Joker a goodbye email and then shoot the tank herself.

The Geth, however...... have a history of flip flopping when their own survival is at stake. Legion would sacrifice himself, but the Geth as a whole? I don't know. Control might seem more pragmatic to them (Synthesis likely would be meaningless to them as I do believe they think they understand organics as well as they want to thank you very much).

[S.A.K]

StayFrosty05 wrote...

S.A.K wrote...

Edi would totally understand. But the Geth? I don't think so. They are selfish pricks!

Define please....your comment makes no sense.

Geth almost destroyed the Quarian in the Morning War. Lets say thats ok (Quarians did start it). Then they isolated themselves and prettymuch killed any organic that came into contact with them. Sided with Sovereign. Then sided with reapers who have been destroying civilization for who knows how long to save their sorry asses. Clear now?

Edit : And I really hate how BW try to victimize the Geth. Wouldn't have hated them if it was just gray like in ME2. Now they are dead in all my playthroughs by the end.<_<

Modifié par S.A.K, 29 novembre 2012 - 07:12 .

[StayFrosty05]

S.A.K wrote...

StayFrosty05 wrote...

S.A.K wrote...

Edi would totally understand. But the Geth? I don't think so. They are selfish pricks!

Define please....your comment makes no sense.

Geth almost destroyed the Quarian in the Morning War. Lets say thats ok (Quarians did start it). Then they isolated themselves and prettymuch killed any organic that came into contact with them. Sided with Sovereign. Then sided with reapers who have been destroying civilization for who knows how long to save their sorry asses. Clear now?

Edit : And I really hate how BW try to victimize the Geth. Wouldn't have hated them if it was just gray like in ME2. Now they are dead in all my playthroughs by the end.<_<

I bought up that very point in the this thread....you may be interested in looking through:

http://social.biowar...ndex/15063719/1

[DirtySHISN0]

EDI, yes.
Geth, no.
Upgraded Geth, maybe.

Some sort of device that would let them gain an organic perspective might change.....wait

[2484Stryker]

grey_wind wrote...

Shepard: Admiral, I have just met the self-proclaimed leader of the Reapers. He looks like a boy from my dreams, but that's totally not suspicious.

Hackett: Erm, what?

Shepard: He claims destroying the Reapers will also kill EDI and the Geth, but tells me there are two other ways of stopping the Reapers. We can either control them exactly like The Illusive Man claimed, or I can jump into a magic beam and spread my essence to every living being in the galaxy and create a techno-organic utopia where we live peacefully side by side with the Reapers. All three options require me to die. Can I get EDI and the Geth on the line for their opinion?

Hackett: I'm sorry, kid, but you've only left me with one option. Everybody, bomb the Citadel, Shepard's been indoctrinated!

^This guy speaks the TRUTH!!!

[TerraNomad]

Hmm it would seem the consensus is that EDI is irrelevant to this decision.

Well here's my two cents worth.

The Geth, I believe, would understand the logic of a destroy choice. Control is the idea of giving one race of beings utter and unstoppable power over another, not unlike the Quarians had over the Geth. Though this is a misconstrued idea consider the implications of synthetic slavery never really come up in the conflict. The war being primarily for survival. They've been enslaved by both the Quarians and the Reapers and the final line is that if the Reapers win the war, the entire Galaxy loses.

However in the idea of a synthesis ending, honestly it sounds like complete rubbish space magic and further cements the idea that Shephard has finally lost his goddamn mind. For a creature that is entirely machine, it's not exactly possible for it to become partially organic. It'd die almost immediately due to the non-functioning organ structure.

So really, I do believe that when it comes down to it, they'd not only understand the logic of a destroy ending, but would support it. It's a choice between what ultimately is power that is far beyond the control of a single species or a clever ruse to remove the greatest threat to Reaper dominance.

I honestly think they'd choose hidden option number four: It's clear there is some form of command network among the Reaper forces, as shown with the Illusive Man's control, therefore the adage "Cut the head off a snake" certainly applies.

This is all just speculation, limited by the constraints of the OP. Totally think they'd be on board. Happiness is irrelevant considering they're "dead." But when it's a choice to willingly embrace death so that ALL LIFE IN THE GALAXY can live? Wow, bloody hard choice that one.

[iOnlySignIn]

Would YOU?

[Bill Casey]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Would YOU?

To destroy the Reapers?
**** yes...

[iOnlySignIn]

Bill Casey wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Would YOU?

To destroy the Reapers?
**** yes...

When there are 2 alternative options where you could live? Better go see a psychiatrist before it's too late.

Modifié par iOnlySignIn, 30 novembre 2012 - 02:29 .