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Bioware putting too much R in RPG? (the R stands for romance huhuhuh)


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gonzalez.melissa53 wrote...

LOL this is all too true! I don't think you would even need to be hit on by 3 of the 5 possible LI unless you chose to start it up in DA2. And Anders would only hit on you if you played the nice I suport mages and no of course your not a monster card. Izzy just like to get in with everyone. Doesn't mean your special. Well, unless your Hawke. XD

I for one love the romance aspect of these games! It's gaming meets romance novel and I mean this in the most flattering why guys! The smuts not heavy and it add a fun dynamic to the game. If you don't like it don't flirt. And it's a game! LOL don't get your panties in a tist over it. Just enjoy and whatever blows your skirt up people!


Facepalm. Facepalm so hard.

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I always felt Bioware puts too much Ravioli in their Ravioli Penne Gnocchi.

But really? The BSN blows the romance stuff in Bioware games way out of proportion to what is actually there in game. I feel Bioware (and more specifically the DA team) does a well enough job on creating a decent amount of content for each romance along with a few plot tie-ins to make it not feel tacked on while also not going overboard with the stuff that it feels like if you skip the romance content you feel like you missed a huge chunk of the game.

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Facepalm. Facepalm so hard.


Why?

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Why?


Because someone seriously compared Bioware's games to romance novels. Because someone honestly called the content "smut."

When someone's saying that about the stuff you've made...that should be a clue.

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I don't think there are enough romance scenes for our characters... Especially in Dragon Age 2,

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Because someone seriously compared Bioware's games to romance novels. Because someone honestly called the content "smut."

When someone's saying that about the stuff you've made...that should be a clue.


Why should it be a clue? About what?
There were a few instances in ME3 where the romance content exceeded what I'm comfortable with personally, but I don't get why that should necessarily be detrimental to the rest of the game's story. I don't think it had any impact on the ending game, and I don't feel that it was given any more focus than any other of the side missions that didn't serve to promote the main plot. Most of the game had nothing to do with romance at all.

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I've said this once, and I'll say it again. Why should BioWare NOT focus on their strengths? Has roleplaying become so engulfed with stats and loot that we forget where its foundations lie?

Dialogue is the key, and romances allow for a ton of roleplaying oppurtunities. The bottom line is this: BioWare are great at romances. Some may disagree, but the consensus is applicable to my statement.

They are better than Obsidian, they are better than Sqaure, they are better than *alot* of other devs that try this. And by better, I mean a good record through-out their history, even their lesser games. Not just that one game that one dev did which had a great romance and thus outshines everything else.

If BioWare focused more on their strengths and stopped appealing to others, we wouldn't have some of the unispired mess we have today (and I stress on *some* this is somebody who thought DA2 was enjoyable, and ME3 a great game until Priority Earth.)

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Why should it be a clue? About what?
There were a few instances in ME3 where the romance content exceeded what I'm comfortable with personally, but I don't get why that should necessarily be detrimental to the rest of the game's story. I don't think it had any impact on the ending game, and I don't feel that it was given any more focus than any other of the side missions that didn't serve to promote the main plot. Most of the game had nothing to do with romance at all.


It may possibly not necessarily be detrimental (wow, that's worded horribly), but you said it yourself--it exceeded what you were comfortable with. And if someone's genuinely calling it smut, it's over the top.

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EntropicAngel wrote...

RainbowPuppy wrote...

Why should it be a clue? About what?
There were a few instances in ME3 where the romance content exceeded what I'm comfortable with personally, but I don't get why that should necessarily be detrimental to the rest of the game's story. I don't think it had any impact on the ending game, and I don't feel that it was given any more focus than any other of the side missions that didn't serve to promote the main plot. Most of the game had nothing to do with romance at all.


It may possibly not necessarily be detrimental (wow, that's worded horribly), but you said it yourself--it exceeded what you were comfortable with. And if someone's genuinely calling it smut, it's over the top.


You clearly completely missed half of that phrase.  She said "The smut's not heavy," meaning the love scenes aren't that smutty.  And she was saying it as a good thing, not a criticism.

Cool yer jets.  Seriously, there is no way anyone could call DA2's scenes "smut."

Modifié par Harle Cerulean, 28 novembre 2012 - 10:33 .


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EntropicAngel wrote...

It may possibly not necessarily be detrimental (wow, that's worded horribly), but you said it yourself--it exceeded what you were comfortable with. And if someone's genuinely calling it smut, it's over the top.


It's not a big deal, really - it just meant skipping a bit of the dialogue. I got a lot of joy out of the romances and they helped me roleplay my characters. Some people are inevitably going to think that what you think is over the top is too little, and others are going to think that even a small romance plot is too much. There is no perfect balance to be struck here.

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If it gives me another way to distinguish my character then I'm all for it.


Variety is fine, but how many of them have the same depth and plot relevance as characters from famous movies such as the dark knight, or starwars episodes 4-6? Can you name even one? 


Watch more movies.

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Upsettingshorts wrote...

mickey111 wrote...

Nevara wrote...

If it gives me another way to distinguish my character then I'm all for it.


Variety is fine, but how many of them have the same depth and plot relevance as characters from famous movies such as the dark knight, or starwars episodes 4-6? Can you name even one? 


Watch more movies.


QFT.

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I disagee. The main reason I play DA games is for the great romances that Bioware is known to put in them.

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Not enough romance! 1 or 2 major scenes with your romance choice? Maybe a dialogue mention?

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LOL EntropicAngel you might want to calm down just a bit. For the record I'm an adult female. I read "smutty" romance and fantasy sci-fi. I love to play games and watch movies. These thing are not for everyone. They don't need to be. But I do feel like I have a right to those things. I mean, it's entertainment and I haven't needed a parent to regulate that sort of thing for a number of years.
If the romance makes you uncomfortable dear just skip it. It's okay. I'll try to re-frame from the use of my favorite word for your sake if no one else. I guess I just forget that there is no age limit or perimeters of that sort on this forum. Sorry if I have offended. It was not my intent.

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mickey111 wrote...
It's about the fact that ever since DAII and ME3 it seems as if Bioware don't even know what the R in RPG represents, and if they don't know then how should I know?

If you don't know, how can you accuse them of not knowing? It's very possible they know and you're just confused because you're ignorant.

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I don't see where OP is suddenly getting the idea that BioWare is going crazy with their romances.

Mass Effect 3.

The characters with 'romance content' in that game were:
Liara
Kaiden
Ashley
Miranda
Jack
Garrus
Jacob
Tali
Thane
Cortez
Trayner

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 28 novembre 2012 - 11:35 .


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Maria Caliban wrote...

The characters with 'romance content' in that game were:
Liara
Kaiden
Ashley
Miranda
Jack
Garrus
Jacob
Tali
Thane
Cortez
Trayner


You forgot about Allers. And I'l not sure if the old yeoman has any lines about it.

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I'm not sure I understand. Are you talking about the fans' "obsession" with the love interests? What do you suppose is "appropriate" obsession?

"Appropriate obsession" is an oxymoron. Obsession is never appropriate. But when have that ever stoppped the BSN community?


Maria Caliban wrote...

mickey111 wrote...
It's about the fact that ever since DAII and ME3 it seems as if Bioware don't even know what the R in RPG represents, and if they don't know then how should I know?

If you don't know, how can you accuse them of not knowing? It's very possible they know and you're just confused because you're ignorant.

That can be applied to so many discussions around the BSN.

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It pretty muc the least important part of the game for me, in 5 games worth of Dragon age and Mass Effect I can honestly think of 4 romance sub plots that I didn't cringe at, and actually felt like they naturally fitted into the plot, the rest just felt shoe horned in for the benefit of the part of the fan base thats very into and very vocal about that side of the game.

There were entire characters in Da2 and Me3 that just felt like walking talking fan service and romance fodder to ensure a box was ticked for the romance fans.

If i'm being 100% honest I think that sort of content just weakens the narrative, and cheapens the medium as a whole, people looking at the medium of videogames from the outside in, won't see well rounded narratives with characters that serve a function in that narrative but instead see fan service for horny fan boys and girls. I want to be able to tell people that video games is a medium that is growing up and able to tell great involving stories in a way that no other medium can, and its hard to make that case to sceptics when before we even know the plot of the game or the basics of the character we will be playing, we have requests for certain LI's, Li's from certain races etc. How can any of us have the slightest insight on who that character might have a romantic link to, when we don't have the most basic details of the character, but yet we still get "cullen for LI" threads or "can we romance a Qunari female".

At that point I think it becomes hard to argue that this isn't a desire for the ability to romance 45 different characters hasn't started to impinge on the process of making a decent logical story. If these characters will fall for you whatever version of that quaracter you play, agressive, funny, serious, Blonde ,Brunette, Fat, Thin, surely at that point the integrity of the character that is written starts to suffer

If you write and story and a romance sub plot enhances the larger plot, great but perhaps Inquisition won't have a natural place for romance? I mean, there will be romance, because thats just what bioware do, and elements of the fan base would go nuts is there wasn't, but I honestly do worry that these plot lines are going in for the right reasons, infact I'm 90% most of them aren't.

If we, as a fanbase took a step back and said, "lets all just let the writers tell the dragon age story they want" it might or might not have a romantic sub plot but they a hell of a lot better at deciding what character might fit into that sub plot or whether such a plot fits into the grander narrative than we are.

Put simply, surely a romance is a big enough defining factor in a character that if we are to be grown up about how a story is written we can't just assume a list of possible LI's as a standard game feature, crikey with the assumed game mechanics as they are Bioware couldn't for perfectly good story based reasons say "the PC in this game is married, he she isn't interested in romances they just want to end the war and get home to the husband/wife".

I think thats silly and no matter how much we might want to be able to romance every npc and their sister in every game, sometimes, surely that won't make sense.

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I think you're wildly overestimating how much influence any given romance-related thread on the BSN actually has.

That and I'd disagree with your assertion that the romances are irrelevant and/or diminish the strength of the narrative.

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Herr Uhl wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

The characters with 'romance content' in that game were:
Liara
Kaiden
Ashley

Miranda
Jack
Garrus
Jacob
Tali
Thane
Cortez
Trayner


You forgot about Allers. And I'l not sure if the old yeoman has any lines about it.


Really the only ones with much development in... still, it's quite a lot. I imagine BioWare were in a tangle here with all the romances in the game. With so many people demanding more, it's hard not to leave out stuff. Look at the people who were lacking in Thane, Jack and Jacob content. Because of that, they're burning ME3 discs like the freaking Hitler Youth burned books.

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Look at the people who were lacking in Thane, Jack and Jacob content. Because of that, they're burning ME3 discs like the freaking Hitler Youth burned books.


Well, I understand it feeling like a kick to the nuts if you were invested in the Jacob romance.

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"Appropriate obsession" is an oxymoron. Obsession is never appropriate. But when have that ever stoppped the BSN community?

And what fandom isn't being inappropriate by this definition?

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Look at the people who were lacking in Thane, Jack and Jacob content. Because of that, they're burning ME3 discs like the freaking Hitler Youth burned books.


Well, I understand it feeling like a kick to the nuts if you were invested in the Jacob romance.


I understand to, but it's one of those things that once again, brings BioWare in a no-win situation. They either spread the butter too much and fans complain, or they leave out a few NPCs...and fans complain.

We're quite the radical bunch if you haven't noticed. :lol:

The best thing BioWare can do is cut down on the romances, but then there are "not enough." The middle-ground within BioWare games vanished, now there's just a void of narcissistic whining between opposing standards. Well... not completley, hehe, see I told you we're radical xD

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RainbowPuppy wrote...

Thomas Andresen wrote...

"Appropriate obsession" is an oxymoron. Obsession is never appropriate. But when have that ever stoppped the BSN community?

And what fandom isn't being inappropriate by this definition?

Unreasonable might be a better word. I know that I have an unreasonable obsession with video games. I do not consider that a bad thing.