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[Nashimura]

Bioware will release a patch that makes a code show up at your house in DA2, that code could be quite long. It will contain each and every choice they wish to take forward. There will be an option on the character creation screen to input your code for DA:3. 









































This was a guess presented as fact, ignore it. 

Modifié par Nashimura, 29 novembre 2012 - 02:41 .

[Fast Jimmy]

As others have said, I would be willing to bet extremely large sums of money it (and all future imported choices) will be done via a checklist, or an interactive comic.

However, since a comic/list will never cover everything (like if you romanced Morrigan, broke up, Leliana flirted with you, you shut her down, and then you would up having a completed Romance with Zevran), there will things that just have to be ignored. They will likely do this going for all games forward, since it is much easier to set all of that information up from making choices at the beginning of the game than to devise a way to bring all of that information over every game.

This would mean no facial imports, though. So we will never see a previous character again if this were to happen. Which is absolutely 100% fine with me, but I'm sure it will make many in this thread angry.

[Mark of the Dragon]

Doctor Moustache wrote...

Mark of the Dragon wrote...

Doctor Moustache wrote...

Theres a good chance there won't be any importing but rather something like Kotor 2's system of questioning the PC to figure out some key significant details. This could be limited to very few things that would actually have baring on this new story, like the fate of the Warden, Hawke's alignment in the kirkwal rebellion, and maybe a few other things. Other things are being canonized as well through the books/comics, like the fates of Alistar, Leliana, Wynne, Shale, and Isabella. So you won't even get a choice on matters like those.

First, save transfers are a big thing to DA. They will not just remove them. Bioware has already said they were looking at other ways to transfer players date.

Second, nothing is canonized. I see this comment all the time. Bioware employess have said many time that they use their own canon to write comics, books, etc. HOWEVER these arent cannon events for our games. In our game worlds, should these events be important, they will happen in a way loyal to our story. For example it might have been different characters under taking said task or under different circumstances.

Third, and this one is directed more at the OP. While it does look like these games MIGHT be on next gen consoles. There is not confirmation. So you should not worry to much imho

"Other ways to transfer" aka other than importing, aka exactly what my example was.

And yes, there are canon events.  Alistar is king.  Canon.  Wynne and Shale traveled with the Warden and survived, Wynn moving on to become Archmage.  Canon.  Leliana was with teh Warden too, survived and became a seeker, canon.  Isabella survived and traveled with Allistar, canon.  Whether or not any of that plays significant role in DA3 is unknowable yet, but as per Gaider's overarching story he is trying to tell, all those things for sure happened.  Gaider's word is the final word, its his creation. 

And it doesn't even really matter if DA3 is next gen or not (though it very much probably is at least both gens) because using a new engine is going to mean the saves can't directly import.  At the very least they would have to develop a system of converting the files over, though honestly I don't see the point.  A more fleshed out version of what Kotor 2 did would be fine. 

No Gaider himself is the one that said they were NOT cannon. No Alistar is not always king in his quote to someone else in a forum the other day he said that these events could have happened if Alistair was exiled. They would have happened differently.

[Mark of the Dragon]

Doctor Moustache wrote...

Sanunes wrote...

Doctor Moustache wrote...

"Other ways to transfer" aka other than importing, aka exactly what my example was.

And yes, there are canon events.  Alistar is king.  Canon.  Wynne and Shale traveled with the Warden and survived, Wynn moving on to become Archmage.  Canon.  Leliana was with teh Warden too, survived and became a seeker, canon.  Isabella survived and traveled with Allistar, canon.  Whether or not any of that plays significant role in DA3 is unknowable yet, but as per Gaider's overarching story he is trying to tell, all those thigns for sure happened. 

And it doesn't even really matter if DA3 is next gen or not (though it very much probably is at least both gens) because using a new engine is going to mean the saves can't directly import.  At the very least they would have to develop a system of converting the files over, though honestly I don't see the point.  A more fleshed out version of what Kotor 2 did would be fine. 

I don't think changing the game engine would prevent reading the save game information for its just reading any other document on different computer operating systems.

For PC's it wouldn't be too much trouble.  Reading files on console games in entirely different and far more complicated. 

Since I do not want to argue here is proof of what I said. This was Gaider's response to the "canon events" in the comics and novels:

"The events of the Dragon Age novels and comics are "part of Dragon Age canon", meaning they contribute to the overall lore. They do not, however, override your game choices. Those events hay have happened very differently in your particular game continuuity... meaning that, if Alistair was dead, then the events of the Silent Grove simply never occurred. If Alistair isnn't king, the Silent Grove could have still happened... but would have occurred somewhat differently.

Does this mean the comics and novels could be referenced in your game? Possibly, but only if the context is correct... and, even then, we'd need to introduce characters and events on the assumption that you've never read the material. The Architect was introduced in Awakening assuming that the player never read the Calling, and needed to work as a new character. If you read the Calling, then great-- you would have more insight into the game. It's not designed to do more than that."

Link:http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/371/index/14690004&lf=8

I do not want to argue but since you think these events are "canon" I thought you might want to read this

Good day Sir!

[SafetyShattered]

I was curious about this too. I assume it'll be a comic thing like they did with the mass effect games, but idk.

[Mark of the Dragon]

Shadowfang12 wrote...

I was curious about this too. I assume it'll be a comic thing like they did with the mass effect games, but idk.

I do not think that will be the case. Sitting through a twenty minuute comic to cover the story of both games for the people who already played would be anooying, to say the least. I think they will find some way that directly involves the saves we already have.

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

How do save games compare in size to JPGs? We can upload pics from DAO and such, so it would be great if we could also upload like six saves per BSN account and then download them to the new game.

Wait, can you console peeps upload pictures too? Or is that PC only? (no troll, I don't know)

[psn_Witcher]

Boy, I didn't even think about this until I read the post. It would suck a ton to lose 2 games worth of DA decisions...

[Doctoglethorpe]

Mark of the Dragon wrote...

Doctor Moustache wrote...

Sanunes wrote...

Doctor Moustache wrote...

"Other ways to transfer" aka other than importing, aka exactly what my example was.

And yes, there are canon events.  Alistar is king.  Canon.  Wynne and Shale traveled with the Warden and survived, Wynn moving on to become Archmage.  Canon.  Leliana was with teh Warden too, survived and became a seeker, canon.  Isabella survived and traveled with Allistar, canon.  Whether or not any of that plays significant role in DA3 is unknowable yet, but as per Gaider's overarching story he is trying to tell, all those thigns for sure happened. 

And it doesn't even really matter if DA3 is next gen or not (though it very much probably is at least both gens) because using a new engine is going to mean the saves can't directly import.  At the very least they would have to develop a system of converting the files over, though honestly I don't see the point.  A more fleshed out version of what Kotor 2 did would be fine. 

I don't think changing the game engine would prevent reading the save game information for its just reading any other document on different computer operating systems.

For PC's it wouldn't be too much trouble.  Reading files on console games in entirely different and far more complicated. 

Since I do not want to argue here is proof of what I said. This was Gaider's response to the "canon events" in the comics and novels:

"The events of the Dragon Age novels and comics are "part of Dragon Age canon", meaning they contribute to the overall lore. They do not, however, override your game choices. Those events hay have happened very differently in your particular game continuuity... meaning that, if Alistair was dead, then the events of the Silent Grove simply never occurred. If Alistair isnn't king, the Silent Grove could have still happened... but would have occurred somewhat differently.

Does this mean the comics and novels could be referenced in your game? Possibly, but only if the context is correct... and, even then, we'd need to introduce characters and events on the assumption that you've never read the material. The Architect was introduced in Awakening assuming that the player never read the Calling, and needed to work as a new character. If you read the Calling, then great-- you would have more insight into the game. It's not designed to do more than that."

Link:http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/371/index/14690004&lf=8

I do not want to argue but since you think these events are "canon" I thought you might want to read this

Good day Sir!

I like how Gaider says its canon right in your quote and your trying to use it as argument that its not canon...

I think what your really trying to argue is what extent the events in the books that canonize past events should impact what happens in the games.  Well, its already happened twice now, Leliana and Anders.  Why not go ahead and make Alistar always king in DA3 if it means a more solid story?  I'd prefer that over a pointless flexible cameo or the game outright ignoring him all together.  

Of course, my perspective is probably quite different then yours.  I care more about Gaider's vision then I do about just playing an rpg and making my own chocies in it.  I care more about the novels then having the freedom of, say, destroying the Fereldan Circle of Magi or restoring the knowledge of creating Golems.  So if Wynne and Shale are alive and kickin in Asunder, then those situations didn't happen.  The Warden saved the circle and destroyed the anvil, period.  And personally, I'd prefer they embrace those significant choices in future games to make a more solid story rather then making the storys feel disjointed and overly flexible so not to disturb peopels "what if" scenarios too much.  Probably an unpopular opinion, but its mine. 

And of course, hopefully in the future they plan out the games better so as to just not allow people to create those differing major events.  I think most of that will only come out of DAO and people are gonna have to get used to that, but it seems they were already  thinking ahead better with DA2.  Theres plenty of choices on the shorter scale while the real major events that need to be brought up later are all unchangable.  The characters that needed to show up later in the comics weren't possible to kill off, the chantry is destroyed whether you helped or not, etc. 

[Fortlowe]

Won't they just use your Origins account to keep track of your decision flags for each game save? I don't speak fluent interweb, but I know every time I crank up an EA title EA pings my console. If they're not tracking my activity already then what are they doing?

Modifié par Fortlowe, 30 novembre 2012 - 02:14 .

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

Fortlowe wrote...

Won't they just use your Origins account to keep track of your decision flags for each game save? I don't speak fluent interweb, but I know every time I crank up an EA title EA pings my console. If they're not tracking my activity already then what are they doing?

Surfing your porn.

[XCelfa]

Wulfram wrote...

They'll probably do some sort of check list type thing. Which might cut down on the bugs too.

This is actually a pretty wicked idea. It worked well for the few plot markers at the beginning of a non-import ME3, so why not? Rather sad that this would mean no more player-customized Warden and Hawke but I'm imagining that they're doing Very Important Things somewhere offscreen anyhow.

[Fortlowe]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

Fortlowe wrote...

Won't they just use your Origins account to keep track of your decision flags for each game save? I don't speak fluent interweb, but I know every time I crank up an EA title EA pings my console. If they're not tracking my activity already then what are they doing?

Surfing your porn.

Hmmm. Makes sense. Definitely explains their fixation on Miranda's bum.

[Mark of the Dragon]

Doctor Moustache wrote...

Mark of the Dragon wrote...

Doctor Moustache wrote...

Sanunes wrote...

Doctor Moustache wrote...

"Other ways to transfer" aka other than importing, aka exactly what my example was.

And yes, there are canon events.  Alistar is king.  Canon.  Wynne and Shale traveled with the Warden and survived, Wynn moving on to become Archmage.  Canon.  Leliana was with teh Warden too, survived and became a seeker, canon.  Isabella survived and traveled with Allistar, canon.  Whether or not any of that plays significant role in DA3 is unknowable yet, but as per Gaider's overarching story he is trying to tell, all those thigns for sure happened. 

And it doesn't even really matter if DA3 is next gen or not (though it very much probably is at least both gens) because using a new engine is going to mean the saves can't directly import.  At the very least they would have to develop a system of converting the files over, though honestly I don't see the point.  A more fleshed out version of what Kotor 2 did would be fine. 

I don't think changing the game engine would prevent reading the save game information for its just reading any other document on different computer operating systems.

For PC's it wouldn't be too much trouble.  Reading files on console games in entirely different and far more complicated. 

Since I do not want to argue here is proof of what I said. This was Gaider's response to the "canon events" in the comics and novels:

"The events of the Dragon Age novels and comics are "part of Dragon Age canon", meaning they contribute to the overall lore. They do not, however, override your game choices. Those events hay have happened very differently in your particular game continuuity... meaning that, if Alistair was dead, then the events of the Silent Grove simply never occurred. If Alistair isnn't king, the Silent Grove could have still happened... but would have occurred somewhat differently.

Does this mean the comics and novels could be referenced in your game? Possibly, but only if the context is correct... and, even then, we'd need to introduce characters and events on the assumption that you've never read the material. The Architect was introduced in Awakening assuming that the player never read the Calling, and needed to work as a new character. If you read the Calling, then great-- you would have more insight into the game. It's not designed to do more than that."

Link:http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/371/index/14690004&lf=8

I do not want to argue but since you think these events are "canon" I thought you might want to read this

Good day Sir!

I like how Gaider says its canon right in your quote and your trying to use it as argument that its not canon...

I think what your really trying to argue is what extent the events in the books that canonize past events should impact what happens in the games.  Well, its already happened twice now, Leliana and Anders.  Why not go ahead and make Alistar always king in DA3 if it means a more solid story?  I'd prefer that over a pointless flexible cameo or the game outright ignoring him all together.  

Of course, my perspective is probably quite different then yours.  I care more about Gaider's vision then I do about just playing an rpg and making my own chocies in it.  I care more about the novels then having the freedom of, say, destroying the Fereldan Circle of Magi or restoring the knowledge of creating Golems.  So if Wynne and Shale are alive and kickin in Asunder, then those situations didn't happen.  The Warden saved the circle and destroyed the anvil, period.  And personally, I'd prefer they embrace those significant choices in future games to make a more solid story rather then making the storys feel disjointed and overly flexible so not to disturb peopels "what if" scenarios too much.  Probably an unpopular opinion, but its mine. 

And of course, hopefully in the future they plan out the games better so as to just not allow people to create those differing major events.  I think most of that will only come out of DAO and people are gonna have to get used to that, but it seems they were already  thinking ahead better with DA2.  Theres plenty of choices on the shorter scale while the real major events that need to be brought up later are all unchangable.  The characters that needed to show up later in the comics weren't possible to kill off, the chantry is destroyed whether you helped or not, etc. 

Maybe we are arguing two different things lol.

I understand Bioware has a canon. They need to for marketing and for novels, comics, etc.

My point is that there canon wont effect our game. I will use the same example Gaider used in his reasoning. If Alistair was killed in Origins then he will not magically come back to life in future games. The events of the Silent Grove comic will just not have occured in that game world. Now if Alsitair is alive then of course they would have occured.

Sorry about the confusion and being to vague

Also I disagree with you. A love the story. Its the main reason I play Bioware games. However I also love making choices. Those choices help make it seem like my world and helps flush out my character. It is also an important component of Dragon Age for a lot of people. I would hate to lose it. And I thing Bioware does a great job crafting stories while useing the mechanic

Have a good day sir

Modifié par Mark of the Dragon, 05 décembre 2012 - 12:52 .

[The Teyrn of Whatever]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

As others have said, I would be willing to bet extremely large sums of money it (and all future imported choices) will be done via a checklist, or an interactive comic.

BioWare have already said that they are keeping the save file transfers. It's official. They have also said that they are exploring alternatives. An alternative to a thing can coexist with it. It doesn't necessarily replace it outright.

[Sol Downer]

No release platform has been confirmed yet, speculation at this point is useless.

[The Teyrn of Whatever]

Obrusnine wrote...

Sorry if you read that before, accidentally pressed enter.

Anyways, obviously, with the games move to next-generation consoles, how are we going to import our saves from the current-gen to the next-gen? That's the best thing about these games! It wouldn't feel the same without save importing.

We don't even know that DA 3 will be released for next-gen consoles, let alone that if it does happen, that current gen will be excluded. We are talking out of our ***** when it comes to platform or release date or plot or almost anything at all. Doesn't mean we shouldn't discuss, but we shouldn't take it as a given that there won't be a current gen version of the game.

[BouncyFrag]

I'll just do this to my new console and tell it to 'remember':