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[VirtualSoldier27]

to take a break from all the Omega conversation,I got to wondering about something

in the investigation into Udina after the Cerberus attack on the Citadel,you would think that the Council would Suspend the SPECTRE he recommended untill they were investigated to make sure they were not involved in his plot.

wouldnt that be wiered,Ashley being accused of Cerberus ties

[Steelcan]

Maybe she never should have gotten it in the first place...........

[Argolas]

I think they have other concerns by then, and if Ashley survived she kind of proved herself as well, so I don't think so.

[Amirit]

Steelcan wrote...
Maybe she never should have gotten it in the first place...........

This. How and why VS suddenly become a Spectre - is a mistery. And in case of xenophobic Ash - is double so.

[garrusfan1]

Well Shepard trust her and she did kill uldina in some playthroughs and I doubt that they would doubt Shepard about it especially now. Also I think they have more problems now that are more important and she did deserve it as did kaiden

[VirtualSoldier27]

Argolas wrote...

I think they have other concerns by then, and if Ashley survived she kind of proved herself as well, so I don't think so.

true,but Ashley is an uknown to the council members.  They do not talk and negotiate with her like they do Shepard and Anderson.  So,from there point of view she could have turned on Udina to cover up her own crimes

atleast they could have added a scene where the Asari Counciller questions it,and Shepard vouches for her innocence

Modifié par VirtualSoldier27, 29 novembre 2012 - 05:38 .

[Darth Asriel]

Better question. What the hell did she do to even become a Spectre? I proved Saren a traitor and was already being considered. She did what exactly?

[iSousek]

You mean they should revoke the Spectre status of someone who tried to save them?

Also, shouldn't they revoke the spectre status of one called Shepard (also recommended by Udina) who might have deliberately killed the previous Council and worked with a well known terrorist organization?

[Steelcan]

Amirit wrote...

Steelcan wrote...
Maybe she never should have gotten it in the first place...........

This. How and why VS suddenly become a Spectre - is a mistery. And in case of xenophobic Ash - is double so.

. At least the biotic leader of a spec ops squad has qualifications.

[TK514]

To be fair, they'd (potentially) just recently given Shepard his SPECTRE status back, and he directly worked for Cerberus for years as far as the rumor mill was concerned. Would have seemed a little hypocritical. On the other hand, an investigation probably would have been in order, since she was defending him while he was trying to get the whole Council killed.

There needed to be a later dialog choice where Shepard questioned Ash's loyalty due to her former Cerberus ties.

[Steelcan]

Darth Asriel wrote...

Better question. What the hell did she do to even become a Spectre? I proved Saren a traitor and was already being considered. She did what exactly?

. Didnt get vaporized.  She also jumped from a low ranking NCO to an officer in six months!

[Bl0dbathNBeyond]

 In my game Shep was still a Spectre and I always got the impression that after the attack on the Citadel the Council finally just gave in and gave Shep what she/he wanted after dogging him/her for so long.

But yeah, I could understand how questions might arise...

[BD Manchild]

It's an interesting point, and it might have made for a nice sub-plot of Shepard choosing whether to vouch for the VS or leave them to fight their own battle. However, as others have said I think the Council has bigger concerns by that point, and they've already said that not trusting Shepard and her allies was what got them into this mess in the first place.

I dunno, I guess it's one of those things that I was just prepared to let it slide for the sake of not bogging the narrative down in too much detail.

[garrusfan1]

She is not xenophobic in ME3 if you cheat on her with tali she actually calls tali her little sister and she treats the other alien crew mates fine. In ME1 she has hardly met an alien if any so yeah she was catious but she didn't actually hate them remember how she didn't like terra ferma in ME1. Honestly people she wasn't a xenophobic person she just didn't know anything about them and was catious she didn't insult any of the alien squademates in ME1 about being alien.

[N7KnightSabre]

Ash and Kaidan shouldn't be Spectres. They're not good enough for the job. I think Udina made them Spectres so he could use them to his advantage.

[VirtualSoldier27]

Steelcan wrote...

Amirit wrote...

Steelcan wrote...
Maybe she never should have gotten it in the first place...........

This. How and why VS suddenly become a Spectre - is a mistery. And in case of xenophobic Ash - is double so.

. At least the biotic leader of a spec ops squad has qualifications.

her qualifications is irrelevent, Udina wanted the VS has a Spectre becuase he knew they were going to be on the Citadel when Cerberus attacked,and he needed somone with credibility to give him an alliby

and I didnt ask about qualifications,I asked about potential guilt by association,the same way Shepard would be accused if Anderson did anything like that,the SPECRE is linked to the Counciler that recommended them 

[dgcatanisiri]

Amirit wrote...

Steelcan wrote...
Maybe she never should have gotten it in the first place...........

This. How and why VS suddenly become a Spectre - is a mistery. And in case of xenophobic Ash - is double so.

She's not xenophobic. She was cautious of aliens serving and operating on an Alliance ship, an experimental Alliance ship, but she had no problem with the people she served with.

And as for the how, I've always seen it as a political move on Udina's part in the first place - the VS is the only Alliance officer who's really proven themselves on a galactic stage, how many other human soldiers were there who the Council would agree had proven they could work for the Citadel Council in the same way that they do the Alliance? Back when it was announced that Kaidan/Ashley would be Spectres, I figured that it would have been politics at work to allow there being a human Spectre without the divided loyalties from working with Cerberus.

[Darth Asriel]

Steelcan wrote...

Darth Asriel wrote...

Better question. What the hell did she do to even become a Spectre? I proved Saren a traitor and was already being considered. She did what exactly?

. Didnt get vaporized.  She also jumped from a low ranking NCO to an officer in six months!

I know right! I love how that gets glossed over. My particular Shep was the hero of Elysium, before he even got noticed. Thn proved a plot against the Council by 1 of their own. And I still had to basically beg for the job. She shows up, gets a concussion, and now she no longer has to salute me?????

[Barquiel]

I guess it's possible that her spectre status will be revoked. The only reason why she was given the Spectre status was so that Udina could use her as part of his plan to subvert the council.

[Steelcan]

VirtualSoldier27 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Amirit wrote...

Steelcan wrote...
Maybe she never should have gotten it in the first place...........

This. How and why VS suddenly become a Spectre - is a mistery. And in case of xenophobic Ash - is double so.

. At least the biotic leader of a spec ops squad has qualifications.

her qualifications is irrelevent, Udina wanted the VS has a Spectre becuase he knew they were going to be on the Citadel when Cerberus attacked,and he needed somone with credibility to give him an alliby

and I didnt ask about qualifications,I asked about potential guilt by association,the same way Shepard would be accused if Anderson did anything like that,the SPECRE is linked to the Counciler that recommended them 

. She will probably catch hell for it, but she probably won't be stripped of her status, she should be, but she won't 

[Steelcan]

Darth Asriel wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Darth Asriel wrote...

Better question. What the hell did she do to even become a Spectre? I proved Saren a traitor and was already being considered. She did what exactly?

. Didnt get vaporized.  She also jumped from a low ranking NCO to an officer in six months!

I know right! I love how that gets glossed over. My particular Shep was the hero of Elysium, before he even got noticed. Thn proved a plot against the Council by 1 of their own. And I still had to basically beg for the job. She shows up, gets a concussion, and now she no longer has to salute me?????

. My Shepard had to butcher a bunch of Batarians to get noticed, then everybody got all upset over it.....

[krukow]

Ummm, the other three council members approved her, and she helped save their lives. Also, it's pretty obvious she's not pro-cerberus when she shoots Udina.

If anything, she'd get a medal.

Also, Udina nominated her, but the whole council approved her.  It's not like one council member can make spectre's willy-nilly.

Modifié par krukow, 29 novembre 2012 - 05:53 .

[Steelcan]

krukow wrote...

Ummm, the other three council members approved her, and she helped save their lives. Also, it's pretty obvious she's not pro-cerberus when she shoots Udina.

If anything, she'd get a medal.

Also, Udina nominated her, but the whole council approved her.  It's not like one council member can make spectre's willy-nilly.

. She didnt shoot Udina, I did.

[thehomeworld]

Now that you mention it VS was aiding a terrorist that went against the council's interest....so yes they should've lost their sepctor status and been court martialed for the betrayal to the Alliance nothing less then Shepard would've received.

Also why didn't the VS spector get their own ship? It's not like they didn't have enough of them sitting in the ship depot from those guys on the citadel spectors need their own ships even in war time.

[thehomeworld]

Steelcan wrote...

krukow wrote...

Ummm, the other three council members approved her, and she helped save their lives. Also, it's pretty obvious she's not pro-cerberus when she shoots Udina.

If anything, she'd get a medal.

Also, Udina nominated her, but the whole council approved her.  It's not like one council member can make spectre's willy-nilly.

. She didnt shoot Udina, I did.

She was going along with Udina the whole time and didn't shoot him unless you're counting the option to fail the mission as her saving situation. Which doesn't negate the fact she helped him try to take over the citidel only to have a change of heart at the last second that only makes her a confused accomplis still punishable, still worthy of a revoke in the her status, and then toss her to the Alliance to figure out is she terminated or does she get a slap on the wrist.

Modifié par thehomeworld, 29 novembre 2012 - 05:59 .