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[hawkera_prime]

everybody wants them

[SavagelyEpic]

Rebel_Raven wrote...

Javo2357 wrote...

I do want to point out that a few of the female characters are not glass cannons tho (of the top of my head: AJ, AV, Valkyrie). It would be nice to see a female soldier class that is weapons based, though, I'll agree.

*Looks at the AJ, AV, and Valkyrie. Looks at the Krogan vanguard who's the posterboy for durability, the geth, the batarians, the krogan in general, the turians, the vorcha with their regeneration, and the destroyer who has really high shields for a human.* Compared to the more durable guys? Yeah, they are glass cannons. Not as fragile as some might be, but they're not quite in the league of the more durable guys.
Hence my desires for female turians, and female Krogan. It'd really change things up having higher base health/shields/barriers than the typical asari, or human.

If one of the new women happened to be weapon focused, it'd be wonderful!

Yes, yes, I realize if you play well with low health, then health isn't an issue, but I'd like options considering that's about all I get to do as female characters. Variety.

...Well... To be entirely honest the AJ, AV, and Valkyrie are all among the tankiest classes in the entire game. Sure, they're outtanked by a Krogan, but let's be honest here - Does their sex have ANYTHING to do with that? It's less "they're female" and more "He's pure Krogan".

Aside from the sentinel, who is designed to be tanky, those classes are all tankier than the Turians (stim packs aside, because if we were to include stim packs in that consideration it would still end up being less "they're female" and more "they have stim packs". OG turians prove my point)

AJ has higher fitness values than most characters, has Reave's damage reduction, AV has BC + 50% DR (which EASILY makes her effectually immortal), and the Valkyrie has TA and AF shield drain (and at 4 points in TA and fitness that gives well over 3,000 points of damage she can withstand ... These are all far tankier than a full-fitness Destroyer [Don't let his shield values fool you, DR is always superior to raw shields]).

*Looks at the AJ, AV, and Valkyrie. Looks at the Krogan vanguard who's the posterboy for durability, the geth, the batarians, the krogan in general, the turians, the vorcha with their regeneration, and the destroyer who has really high shields for a human.*

Having addressed the Krogan, Turians, and Destroyer, let's move on to the Geth ... Was that a typo? I don't think anyone's ever considered the Geth to be resilient in any way at all.

The Vorcha, well, health regen is kinda their thing. Even then, Vorcha typically die more than the 3 Asari you mentioned. That leaves the Batarians, and frankly Batarians were designed to be resilient. They're like Krogan. It has nothing to do with sex.

Compared to classes that don't have racial lore stating that they should be tanky, yeah, there's nothing wrong with female durability. It's odd that you'd choose durability to be a sticking point - There are many very valid reasons for more females in MP, but durability is hardly one of those. So yes, I would say that I agree with your goal but I disagree with your arguement, if that makes any sense.

Modifié par SavagelyEpic, 01 décembre 2012 - 12:52 .

[Abraham_uk]

mi6o wrote...

everybody wants them

I don't know if "everybody" wants them.

But I certainly do.

Bring on the:
 

• Female Turians
• Female Vorcha
• Female Baterians
• Female Volus
• More female Quarians
• Female Raloi
• Female Yahg

Clearly if you have tech powers, combat powers and biotic powers, not to mention the array of impossible weapons that generate Mass Effect fields, you can increase the variety in female characters.

Sadly Salarians and Krogan can't have female characters since this is a strong violation of the game's "lore". But everything else is doable.

[bkfirershark]

Wasn't able to read all these posts because I have to leave for work in less then 5 minutes so if what I say has already been posted, then I appolagize.

The arguement for adding a few female classes for multiplayer is valid for a couple reasons. We do currently have female models of the Krogan, Salarians, and now the Turians, so it would be fairly simple to take those models, make them editable via coloration and such, and put them in multiplayer. That would also fill the viod left in the Retaliation DLC where we did not get as many Infiltrators or Vanguards as other classes, so a couple female models could be used to equalize the number of character choices per class.

Now as for adding females of other races, namely the Drell, while it could be possable, it doesn't seem likely that Bioware will do so because we have never seen a female Drell. While there has been some mention of them, they have never shown up in game, therefore, it would be harder to make a model for them.

[billy the squid]

bkfirershark wrote...

Wasn't able to read all these posts because I have to leave for work in less then 5 minutes so if what I say has already been posted, then I appolagize.

The arguement for adding a few female classes for multiplayer is valid for a couple reasons. We do currently have female models of the Krogan, Salarians, and now the Turians, so it would be fairly simple to take those models, make them editable via coloration and such, and put them in multiplayer. That would also fill the viod left in the Retaliation DLC where we did not get as many Infiltrators or Vanguards as other classes, so a couple female models could be used to equalize the number of character choices per class.

Now as for adding females of other races, namely the Drell, while it could be possable, it doesn't seem likely that Bioware will do so because we have never seen a female Drell. While there has been some mention of them, they have never shown up in game, therefore, it would be harder to make a model for them.

There's a fair bit more to it than that.

[Rebel_Raven]

SavagelyEpic wrote...

Rebel_Raven wrote...

Javo2357 wrote...

I do want to point out that a few of the female characters are not glass cannons tho (of the top of my head: AJ, AV, Valkyrie). It would be nice to see a female soldier class that is weapons based, though, I'll agree.

*Looks at the AJ, AV, and Valkyrie. Looks at the Krogan vanguard who's the posterboy for durability, the geth, the batarians, the krogan in general, the turians, the vorcha with their regeneration, and the destroyer who has really high shields for a human.* Compared to the more durable guys? Yeah, they are glass cannons. Not as fragile as some might be, but they're not quite in the league of the more durable guys.
Hence my desires for female turians, and female Krogan. It'd really change things up having higher base health/shields/barriers than the typical asari, or human.

If one of the new women happened to be weapon focused, it'd be wonderful!

Yes, yes, I realize if you play well with low health, then health isn't an issue, but I'd like options considering that's about all I get to do as female characters. Variety.

...Well... To be entirely honest the AJ, AV, and Valkyrie are all among the tankiest classes in the entire game. Sure, they're outtanked by a Krogan, but let's be honest here - Does their sex have ANYTHING to do with that? It's less "they're female" and more "He's pure Krogan".

Aside from the sentinel, who is designed to be tanky, those classes are all tankier than the Turians (stim packs aside, because if we were to include stim packs in that consideration it would still end up being less "they're female" and more "they have stim packs". OG turians prove my point)

AJ has higher fitness values than most characters, has Reave's damage reduction, AV has BC + 50% DR (which EASILY makes her effectually immortal), and the Valkyrie has TA and AF shield drain (and at 4 points in TA and fitness that gives well over 3,000 points of damage she can withstand ... These are all far tankier than a full-fitness Destroyer [Don't let his shield values fool you, DR is always superior to raw shields]).

*Looks at the AJ, AV, and Valkyrie. Looks at the Krogan vanguard who's the posterboy for durability, the geth, the batarians, the krogan in general, the turians, the vorcha with their regeneration, and the destroyer who has really high shields for a human.*

Having addressed the Krogan, Turians, and Destroyer, let's move on to the Geth ... Was that a typo? I don't think anyone's ever considered the Geth to be resilient in any way at all.

The Vorcha, well, health regen is kinda their thing. Even then, Vorcha typically die more than the 3 Asari you mentioned. That leaves the Batarians, and frankly Batarians were designed to be resilient. They're like Krogan. It has nothing to do with sex.

Compared to classes that don't have racial lore stating that they should be tanky, yeah, there's nothing wrong with female durability. It's odd that you'd choose durability to be a sticking point - There are many very valid reasons for more females in MP, but durability is hardly one of those. So yes, I would say that I agree with your goal but I disagree with your arguement, if that makes any sense.

I know gender has little to do with tankiness as opposed to racial benefits. This is why I'm hoping for female Turians, and Female Krogans to address that.  I've expressed such hopes in earlier posts.

I'm not calling sexism on the matter, rather just coincidence that the base shields of female humans, female quarians, and asari are all about the same. That is unless female Krogans, and female turians are mysteriously less resillient, anyhow. Then that's a bit of a red flag. <.<

As tanky as the AJ, AV, and Valk are, they're not -that- tanky when push comes to shove. A lot of it is really dependant on the use of a power as opposed to just having the durability. They just aren't truely durable.
I've played as  Krogan, destroyers, and vorcha in the past, and pulled stunts of durability with them that no woman in the roster could hope to match.
It's frustrating, frankly, to lack a similar play style to the more survivable characters.

Geth may not be as tanky as krogans and such, but they do have the largest starting shields in the game, meaning they benefit from shield boosting gear more since it gives their bonus based on a percentage of their shields.

In the end, I crave the variety in play styles. As it stands, a lot of the women are fairly flimsy compared to the tougher characters out there, and require hitting the enemy with powers over hitting them with bullets. It's something I hope Bioware changes in the next DLC.

[Nissun]

Abraham_uk wrote...
Sadly Salarians and Krogan can't have female characters since this is a strong violation of the game's "lore". But everything else is doable.

Wrong. Specially about the Krogan.

The Salarians, yeah, I can agree. 90% of the entire species is male. That's an stunning disproportionated difference, and I'm okay with all Salarians in multiplayer being male. Besides, the only female salarian model that exists right now is wearing a heavy robe that's not fit for combat, so they would have to create a new one. And it's not likely that they will.



Krogan females, on the other hand, are not rare. And they are not "valuable" anymore, because the genophage will make more of them fertile again. EDI says it: There are currently 1 Billion women on Tuchanka. Each one is capable of having 100 babies a year. Even if only 1% of those females becomes fertile, that still leaves them with a very high number of babies.

That birthrate also implies that they don't raise children like we do, so it's likely that they are raised in the krannt, and the presence of the mother and father is not fully neccessary.

If you consider the situation Quarians are in, having female Quarians in the frontlines makes as much sense as having female Krogan. Why? Because Quarians just finished fighting against the geth, in a war that made them arm their civilian ships. So it's almost certain that they had lots of casualies.

Added to that: they just recovered their homeworld. They should be focusin on rebuilding it, and replenishing their numbers. Because, unlike the Krogan, they have babies one at a time. And shall I remind you of how fragile their immune systems are, and how Krogan have redundant organs and are some tough sons of ****es?

Thought so. Besides, Eve's model is already there. It's no heavy armor, but with a Krogan helmet underneath the hood (like the fury) it wouldn't look out of place in multiplayer at all.

Modifié par Nissun, 01 décembre 2012 - 10:41 .

[CrissRiot]

I'm all for it just for the sake of variety in the characters. I love Retaliation, but one thing that just bugs the **** out of me about it is the reuse of models without changes, like for the Batarian (3 identical chars now), Volus (4 identical Volus) and nothing new to the Drell Infiltrator I believe.

I get it, models take time and effort, but we now have a perfectly good Female Turian model that could fit into the Adept class (which wouldnt break canon or ayting), so I don't see anyting wrong with that at all.

[Gwynnie]

i have wanted a female turian for a while glad to know i wasn't the only one. I think there should be female krogans and salarians aswel

[bkfirershark]

billy the squid wrote...

bkfirershark wrote...

Wasn't able to read all these posts because I have to leave for work in less then 5 minutes so if what I say has already been posted, then I appolagize.

The arguement for adding a few female classes for multiplayer is valid for a couple reasons. We do currently have female models of the Krogan, Salarians, and now the Turians, so it would be fairly simple to take those models, make them editable via coloration and such, and put them in multiplayer. That would also fill the viod left in the Retaliation DLC where we did not get as many Infiltrators or Vanguards as other classes, so a couple female models could be used to equalize the number of character choices per class.

Now as for adding females of other races, namely the Drell, while it could be possable, it doesn't seem likely that Bioware will do so because we have never seen a female Drell. While there has been some mention of them, they have never shown up in game, therefore, it would be harder to make a model for them.

There's a fair bit more to it than that.

I do agree that it is a bit more then just copy/paste, but it is much easier to use a model we already have over creating a brand new one

[Zhuinden]

Stardusk wrote...

himohillo wrote...

painforest wrote...


I don't know where you're getting that statistic, but I'm not going to argue about it because this isn't the place. To a certain extent, I would agree with you about feminism making meaningful changes, but only in the western world. Female dominance has yet to take hold in many underdeveloped parts of the world. Be afraid, men. Be very afraid.

Feminism as an idea is good, but in practice it fails horribly. Especially when they act in the western world, where they have things all good and well for them without any effort.

They don't want equality, they want dominance. To them equality means special treatment.

The only reason you need wimpy support groups (i.e. feminism) is because of your primal instinct of inferiority.

This human understands.

I honestly can't believe you guys actually believe what you're saying.
You're all just trolling, and making this up merely because you know it's random stuff that doesn't make sense, and not actual regurgitated dogmatic thought patterns you adhere yourself to. Right?


....right?

[Stardusk]

Zhuinden wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

himohillo wrote...

painforest wrote...


I don't know where you're getting that statistic, but I'm not going to argue about it because this isn't the place. To a certain extent, I would agree with you about feminism making meaningful changes, but only in the western world. Female dominance has yet to take hold in many underdeveloped parts of the world. Be afraid, men. Be very afraid.

Feminism as an idea is good, but in practice it fails horribly. Especially when they act in the western world, where they have things all good and well for them without any effort.

They don't want equality, they want dominance. To them equality means special treatment.

The only reason you need wimpy support groups (i.e. feminism) is because of your primal instinct of inferiority.

This human understands.

I honestly can't believe you guys actually believe what you're saying.
You're all just trolling, and making this up merely because you know it's random stuff that doesn't make sense, and not actual regurgitated dogmatic thought patterns you adhere yourself to. Right?


....right?

What specifically do you mean?

[millahnna]

Feminism as an idea is good, but in practice it fails horribly. Especially when they act in the western world, where they have things all good and well for them without any effort.

Can't tell if serious or just trolling (trying to be polite here).

I'm the last chick to adopt the label feminist; I think it has incorrect implications about what the idea has evolved to mean in the modern western world (though as noted, in lesser developed societies, the original meaning of the concept still very much applies). Aside from that, there ARE negative backlashes to the feminist movement (and its various waves) that has given the phrase a lot of baggage. Some of this baggage is undeserved and saddled on by opponents to gender equality and some of it is well earned by the movement itself. Either way, I'm uncomfortable labeling myself a feminist though I believe in many of the ideals on paper.

But I'm a little taken aback by the idea that because I live in modern Western society and, therefore, presumably, am not getting beaten daily by a deadbeat, stoned to death for flirting, or having my genitalia cut off I somehow am either uncaring about these more severe cases of sexism around the world, or (and almost worse) I should stop griping because at least I don't have it that bad. I mean really that's the takeaway from comments like the one I quoted. You're saying there's a limit to how equal chicks really deserve to be. You're saying there's a limit to progress that's born of what... laziness? A williness to accept a certain level of bad behaviour because at least it's not as bad as other bad behaviour? "Well we've made it this far... that's good enough let's just stop now."


I mean seriously... WTF?

[sliverofamoon]

Please more female ANYTHING. Especially Quarians.

[Zjarcal]

sliverofamoon wrote...

Please more female ANYTHING. Especially Quarians.

On every class! I want a tanky female quarian. 

EDIT: Well I'm glad I found this thread as reading the earlier posts have made me lose any sliver of respect I had (mind you, there was almost none anyway) for a certain user with a blue avatar.

Modifié par Zjarcal, 04 décembre 2012 - 09:39 .

[Zhuinden]

Stardusk wrote....

The female of the species has intrinsic value. 99% of the males of a species could die out but you would only need 1% or less to impregnate females. This is why male life has less intrinsic value than female life. Women=limiting factor in reproduction.

I did not say I liked the system. That is how the world works. Ever ask yourself why (I assume you have not) why 90% of the homeless are male? for the reasons I cited above. Men are perceived as having less value because they are not the limiting factor in reproduction.

It is not tangentially linked since human society (we are animals after all) is driven by reproduction.

It depends on what you consider lesser value. Women and children first? When it comes to life, women always take primary position. Women are free to do what they want, I am merely asserting that our perceptions of the sexes are based on millenia of evolution where females had more value (in terms of life and health) than males. 80% of females in the past lived on to reproduce, Only 40% of males did. This is an indication of the circumstances we evolved under. In that sense yes, women were held back in a certain regard because they were regarded as precious treasures and one seeks to guard one's treasure as best one can. Men were and remain disposable utilities, work horses, soldiers, etc.

Considering that feminism is an ideology of female supremacy and essentially a hate movement, yes, I'd say it's a bad thing.

I pretty much mean that none of this is true, or at least sound like delusional claims. Apart from how feminism has multiple layers, the basic idea would be equality between the two genders. If you ask me, the level of differentiation we have in our culture is nonsensical to begin with, as gender does not define the personality. Even though there are extremities, considering just as with any belief system, some people can use only certain aspects of it to justify their errorenous behavior, or boost their own ego. (The same works for religion, in case people look down upon others for not following the religion they do. In this case, they look down upon men because of a similar generalization of the entire gender).

Overall, I think it is sad that you think of all humanity as a bunch of animals waiting to have intercourse with one another merely to produce offspring and ensure the survival of their DNA. The problem with this is that people can alter their needs with merely their thoughts, and this control proves that humans have a higher level of control over their own behavior than to be mere animals.

...Honestly, I can't phrase a really good argument against your claims because I find that none of it makes sense.


To be on topic, I support female turians for the game, especially considering there was one made for the Omega DLC. It would not take long to include it in a free DLC anymore.

Modifié par Zhuinden, 04 décembre 2012 - 10:04 .

[millahnna]

Considering that feminism is an ideology of female supremacy and essentially a hate movement, yes, I'd say it's a bad thing.

Lol. Troll harder.

[NT121784]

what would be super awesome is if they had a build your own class option where you choose the race, gender, name and class of your character, then depending on those factors, you got to choose particular powers.

But I'd settle for turian ladies.

[Cerahf]

Yes Please! Introduce female Turian to the ME3 Multiplayer, it would be awesome, let's broaden the selection of characters. Make it more diverse and fun.